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Post by gulliver on Dec 4, 2004 15:32:40 GMT 8
give examples if you can pls...thanks!  |
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Post by sworksmike on Dec 4, 2004 20:42:31 GMT 8
Kung sa big bike 70 front 30 rear, dirt bike naman 60 front 40 rear; same sa pababa pero modulate lang ang pitik sa levers. Nasanay ako sa ganito kaya pati mt bike ganito na din pagbrake ko and i have the right lever for the front brake, left for the rear just like sa motorcycle yung front brake nasa right ;D
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Post by gulliver on Dec 4, 2004 21:56:50 GMT 8
Kung sa big bike 70 front 30 rear, dirt bike naman 60 front 40 rear; same sa pababa pero modulate lang ang pitik sa levers. Nasanay ako sa ganito kaya pati mt bike ganito na din pagbrake ko and i have the right lever for the front brake, left for the rear just like sa motorcycle yung front brake nasa right ;D vt2, so your front brake is your favored brake for stopping power. can't help but agree w/ you and yes, even on the downhills... some people i know are afraid to use the front brake when it actually has the ability to stop or slow you down faster...for as long as you use it properly like vt2 described. |
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Post by gwm..."GRASS-HAPA" on Dec 4, 2004 22:43:20 GMT 8
couldn't agree with you more. i guess the trick is not over doing your brakes. most of the newbie accidents come from gripping too hard on either brake and end up either fishtailing like a fish out of water or endoing like theres no tomorrow (whoopee!  ) on flat lands use more front than rear... 'ol mr. momentum teaches us that thats where more of the control is. on descents well... "rear brake will slow you down but its the front that can make you stop"  learn braking with only using the index finger so you don't overdo it and practice your own type of "modulation" when adept, graduate to two  another thing, when in technical/ rutted areas brakes aren't always your best friend, sometimes rolling over ruts (with enough momentum) is much easier than braking and trying to pedal thru them ;D ...just a few things i've learned the hard way  my two cents ;D |
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Post by staind on Dec 4, 2004 23:15:16 GMT 8
agree with the above. like i've mentioned in fabio's thread, practice front braking. it stops you faster. hence, 8" rotor in front and 6" in the rear is ideal.
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Post by jr on Dec 5, 2004 5:34:18 GMT 8
Looks like everybody agree... how to use brakes.
Here mind.
Downhill - 60 front and 40 rear--slowly and dont lock. this combination will avoid fish tail.
Conering (switchback) -60 rear and 40 front. fast and quick.
trail riding (mostly flat) -70 rear and 30 front.
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Post by gulliver on Dec 5, 2004 13:52:50 GMT 8
something else i learned over the year, when riding through a rut (esp. narrow ones!), avoid using the front brake hard...cuz your front wheel won't be able to bounce off the walls of the rut hehehe
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Post by sworksmike on Dec 5, 2004 13:59:53 GMT 8
Tama ka dyan gulli pagruts na may downhill ease on the brake a little bit para sumampa yung gulong sa ruts |
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Post by elai on Dec 5, 2004 17:06:16 GMT 8
Looks like everybody agree... how to use brakes. Here mind. Downhill - 60 front and 40 rear--slowly and dont lock. this combination will avoid fish tail. Conering (switchback) -60 rear and 40 front. fast and quick. trail riding (mostly flat) -70 rear and 30 front. Nyikes! Looks like I'm the only one doing a 50 front and 50 rear most of the time.  |
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Post by allegra on Dec 5, 2004 18:28:03 GMT 8
Paano nyo nasusukat yung 60/40, 70/30 ? I just press them both , pag ayaw tumigil, i press even ,more |
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Post by mad_doc on Dec 5, 2004 19:31:21 GMT 8
let me see..... i've already fallen down several times due to bad braking practices... so i can probably say about what i dont do anymore don't brake hard enough that your wheel locks up... a locked wheel means no real control plus it will upset your balance and slew the bike.... therefore you will crash  caught that one going down peak 3 ;D do not use your front brakes FIRST especially if going downhill..... any guesses ? do not use the brakes when going into a rut, depression, or hole.... better to push your fork down and out of it then try braking afterwards... care of the sta rosa trail lets see... i can't remember the rest... because things were in a blur... movin too fast he he |
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Post by jr on Dec 6, 2004 1:58:41 GMT 8
do not use your front brakes FIRST especially if going downhill..... any guesses ? do not use the brakes when going into a rut, depression, or hole.... better to push your fork down and out of it then try braking afterwards... care of the sta rosa trail Dont ever use your front brake only when doing downhill. You will endo, perfect 10 flip or hospital  . Rather use both but slow. Let your front suspension to take the ruts , lift your front wheel just enough to cross it or jump it. But you muct have a good monentum to do it. If the ruts are parallel to the trail make sure to slow it down and have good balance to ride it. |
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Post by jibber on Dec 6, 2004 6:04:39 GMT 8
Paano nyo nasusukat yung 60/40, 70/30 ? I just press them both , pag ayaw tumigil, i press even ,more Preng Allegra...I've been riding makiling with you last year and a few months back...and mukhang dehins ka na gumagamit ng brakes eh...sobrang bilis mo pababa ;D |
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Post by minotaur on Dec 6, 2004 7:43:20 GMT 8
The only time I modulate my front and rear brake is when I need to stop or put my bike into a crawl...
But mostly I still use my rear brake to control my speed.
Trigger happy left index finger ko e, kaya I keep it of the brake lever. ;D
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Post by polpan on Dec 6, 2004 9:20:02 GMT 8
correct me if i'm wrong when using brakes... during decents and slowing down is needed, first applying the rear brake and as i feel the bike to slow a bit i'll use the front brake until the bike starts to crawl... pero as they said kailangan paitik-pitik lang ag pressure sa lever...  |
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Post by gulliver on Dec 6, 2004 9:28:40 GMT 8
siguro nga yung importante is effective ang braking technique mo... isang dahilan lang kung bakit ini-istress ng iba yung front brake is that pag na favor mo daw ang rear brake, its too easy for it to skid...masama daw yun kasi nakakasira ng trail...eka nga, huwag daw skid ng skid ;D
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Post by nine-inch-neils on Dec 6, 2004 10:08:32 GMT 8
use brakes in modulation, be it rear or front....
the bike is harder to control if it's skidding (using rear break). Mas mahirap pag nauna ka na sa bike dahil nag-endo ka na (front break).
Gumamit ng shimano modulators... hehehe... kahit galit ka sa preno di ka titigil.
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Post by gonz on Dec 6, 2004 10:14:56 GMT 8
on descents well... "rear brake will slow you down but its the front that can make you stop" read this technique from a magazine. i tried it and it's effective. i put some variations of my own though. apply ko yung rear brakes then front immediately ( at times matagal ang interval before i apply the front brakes, depende sa speed ko at the time ) without letting go of the rear ( pag mabilis kasi and you let go of the rear, endo kang bata ka ;D ) , then release, then do the same thing again until i stop or get the speed that i want. |
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Post by Ben Dover on Dec 6, 2004 12:56:57 GMT 8
ako opinyon ko lang. sabi nga nila pag pababa isa lang ang rule sa braking sabi ng mga beteranong racers - dont skid - dali ano hehe!
actually alam yata natin lahat yan pero sa tingin ko numero uno kalaban dyan dehins yung pano gawin kundi kung kaya mo gawin. para sa ating non-racers yung nerbyos so far sa experience ko yan pinaka malakas maka cause ng disgrasya. you hesitate, you go slow, too slow, ur steering gets a little imprecise then bam! ur on the ground..parang ako hehe!!
actually you can u can use ur front brake as hard as u want..its just a matter of placing your weight wer it should be. wen u use ur front on hard braking stiffen ur arms and shift ur weight at the back at kahit anong gawin mo mag i-skid ka lang pero di ka e-endo maliban na lang mahulog yung front wheel mo sa butas.
usual cause daw ng endo e panic braking. i.e. u r not prepared. ur arms are loose, ur weight is in the center, u brake hard, ur bike stops, U DONT, ur hips hits the handle bar, ur bike lifts its rear wheel and end to end u go.
read it somewer. just cant remember wer.
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Post by allegra on Dec 7, 2004 10:37:23 GMT 8
Preng Allegra...I've been riding makiling with you last year and a few months back...and mukhang dehins ka na gumagamit ng brakes eh...sobrang bilis mo pababa ;D Sa sobrang takot siguro, naka pikit nalang ako |
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Post by allegra on Dec 7, 2004 10:43:25 GMT 8
you can actually use your rear brakes to control the bike
Just point you front tire in the direction you want, then lock the rear brakes for a second, mag aadjust yung bike.
Pero for emergencies lang kasi nga nakakasira ng trail
Not to mention, nakatakot gawin pag mabilis
Dont use your front brakes kung pababa tapos mabato, or my roots, ruts, depressions etc. Konting pressure lang may cause the front wheel to lock up and cause an endo.
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Post by gulliver on Dec 7, 2004 12:35:28 GMT 8
you can actually use your rear brakes to control the bike Just point you front tire in the direction you want, then lock the rear brakes for a second, mag aadjust yung bike. agree...an example is when you hit a switchback or sharp curve too fast and you think you're going to fly over the cliff ;D ;D ;D Dont use your front brakes kung pababa tapos mabato, or my roots, ruts, depressions etc. Konting pressure lang may cause the front wheel to lock up and cause an endo. that's why they say, brake on the smooth stuff, roll over the rough stuff |
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Post by Ben Dover on Dec 7, 2004 13:52:14 GMT 8
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Post by REDNEB on Dec 30, 2004 23:03:52 GMT 8
Proper Brake usage............................... Brake levers are never supposed to be squeezed like a rubber ducky ok!...thats why theres such a thing as cable stretch and piston blows... Front brakes are never used..........never.  Rear brakes are used in light dosages ok!.if u squeeze too much u slide ...clear!...... Turning does not necessarilly mean using brakes....ok..read. High speed braking basics ... 3 clips, 1/2 sec intervals, at 20% pressure for hydraulics. kids dont try this below 55kph it aint gonna be fun... Racers only use the brakes at the finish line..... |
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Post by REDNEB on Jan 5, 2005 14:24:52 GMT 8
Hoy ano tinuturo mo! Locking the brakes inside a switchback? Cge try mo tingnan natin pag di ka kumabit sa lupa! Never Lock your brakes at high speeds! You will definitely wipeout! Ask any professional! |
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Post by gulliver on Jan 5, 2005 19:43:32 GMT 8
Hoy ano tinuturo mo! Locking the brakes inside a switchback? Cge try mo tingnan natin pag di ka kumabit sa lupa! Never Lock your brakes at high speeds! You will definitely wipeout! Ask any professional! redneb, are you talking to me? if so, i believe what i experienced and nobody can tell me different besides i was approaching the switchback at around 20 kph lang naman, i turned into the direction of the road on the mark and like allegra said, locked the brake for a second or two....was quite happy with that move cuz it set me straight hehehe.... |
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Post by stormloader on Jan 5, 2005 21:08:07 GMT 8
gull, si pareng allegra ata kausap nya eh hehe. or maybe not  |
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Post by jr on Jan 6, 2005 0:51:02 GMT 8
Front brakes are never used..........never. Racers only use the brakes at the finish line..... Redneb, Hmmmm....I disagree. Front brake is there for a reason. I don't know any MTB/Road racers don't use there front brakes. I always used my front brake to control my bike. |
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Post by allegra on Jan 6, 2005 7:14:03 GMT 8
Hoy ano tinuturo mo! Locking the brakes inside a switchback? Cge try mo tingnan natin pag di ka kumabit sa lupa! Never Lock your brakes at high speeds! You will definitely wipeout! Ask any professional! Wala ako sinabi highspeeds I dont aproach switchbacks at 65kph Yup, I've tried it and beats falling off a cliff It has saved my butt countless of times |
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Post by REDNEB on Jan 7, 2005 14:36:42 GMT 8
For 20-40kph pede ka mag "dab" instead of using the breaks. there are 2 kind of dab .........foot and pedal. Foot dab(Flats) is using 1 leg to steer the bike out of the turnby extending your foot out to the ground, acting as a rudder to suddenly jerk your bike onto the exit angle of the turn. Pedal dab(Pag clipless) is keeping your feet on the pedals and leaning sideways during a turn(No skidding pls) raising the pedal inside the turn n leaning until the end of the pedal hits the ground then suddenly hucking your bike into position of exit of turn. Ano mas madali? foot o pedal? sino nagsabi kelangan ng preno? I can organize a demo on how this is done... partida hardtail gamit ng mga alaga ko......hehehehe ;D Sa XC well ive seen racers do these things....like cadel evans and the likes.......its a trick of the trade.. kasi sayang sipa pag pulo pleno! |
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caught that one going down peak 3 ;D
