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Post by gulliver on Sept 11, 2003 19:51:15 GMT 8
this is one article from Mountain Bike Action i should have reviewed before the trail ride today! except that when the trail is muddy, rutted and slippery, getting any kind of cadence started was almost impossible for us newbies  When To Sit And When To Stand-Aug '99As soon as Gary Fisher rigged a multi-gear drivetrain on his Schwinn Excelsior and scaled Mount Tam, the debate began over whether it's better to climb seated or standing. As a rule of thumb, climbing in the saddle is easier, while standing delivers more power at the cost of more effort. With today's hooked-up componentry, though, the rule of thumb is no longer valid. Watch the pro peloton tackle a climb during a World Cup race and you'll rarely see a racer out of the saddle. The modern climber is far better off pedaling up hills glued to the saddle. This raises the question: When is it proper to hammer out of the saddle and when should you resist the temptation?WHEN TO SIT OR STAND?There are still situations where standing is best. Refined climbers can smoothly alternate between standing and sitting without wasting a heart beat. Those who make the most of their climbing effort scale hills the quickest and last the longest. This is the MBA wrecking crew's guide to assuming the position. Sit: Approach the hill in the middle ring and select a gear that maintains a moderate, 70 to 80 rpm cadence. Hydrate at the bottom and before the aerobic effort becomes too extreme and breathing too heavy to sip fluid.Shift early while seated: If you are running out of gears in the middle ring, shift early to the granny while still spinning a moderate cadence and apply light pedal pressure.Assume the cosmic crunch: Move up on the nose of the saddle and crouch down over the handlebar with your head forward and the elbows low. Keep the rear wheel churning and move the upper body forward to keep the front wheel down. Stand: On long, consistent grades, it is sometimes helpful to stand to relieve pressure off the back and to relax the legs by shifting the load to another muscle group. Select the next taller cog before standing. Remain seated: Continue eying straight up the hill for the firmest packed and smoothest route. Steer around soft terrain and overly difficult sections. Relax and use gears to sustain the healthy pedal tempo.Definitely stand: If you find yourself entering into a roller or moderate grade in the big ring at speed, rise out of the saddle, sprint and use speed to bring you up the rise. Back off the pedal pressure or sit before making chainring shifts. |
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Post by bernie on Oct 23, 2003 8:47:17 GMT 8
Di ba ang pagtayong pagpadyak ay nakakasira ng kadena at nakkawaste nga ng energy. Siguro dapat wag na lang tayuan ang pagpadyak ano?
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Post by radical1962 on Oct 23, 2003 10:02:54 GMT 8
Bernie,
Most of the times it better to stay seated but there are times when you just have to stand to power up the last few meters to the crest. Standing is better than downshifting and risking the chance of a mishift or a broken drivetrain.
I also stand up to relieve my butt and leg muscles especially during long climbs.
Just my 2 cents ...
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Post by jr on Oct 23, 2003 23:45:33 GMT 8
Personal preference. Some bikeres comtable standing with a cadence pedaling. For me standing I wasted more energy specially in climbing. I only stand if I tackle step sections.
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Post by Gerald on Apr 13, 2005 10:41:49 GMT 8
jr, i agree. kung san ka comfortable ika nga
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Post by anji on Nov 9, 2005 6:17:06 GMT 8
Di ba ang pagtayong pagpadyak ay nakakasira ng kadena at nakkawaste nga ng energy. Siguro dapat wag na lang tayuan ang pagpadyak ano? guys, just a question, how can standing on ur bike while u pedal damage the drivetrain ? is it from the load you put on the drivetrain because you can use your bodyweight ... |
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Post by jr on Nov 9, 2005 8:51:40 GMT 8
Di ba ang pagtayong pagpadyak ay nakakasira ng kadena at nakkawaste nga ng energy. Siguro dapat wag na lang tayuan ang pagpadyak ano? guys, just a question, how can standing on ur bike while u pedal damage the drivetrain ? is it from the load you put on the drivetrain because you can use your bodyweight ... Dont use your weight..do a circular motion with rhythm. Its hard to do it when your first time. Most of the power coming from quadriceps and calves muscle. Spining is the right training of this.. |
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Post by weekendrider on Nov 9, 2005 9:49:18 GMT 8
guys, just a question, how can standing on ur bike while u pedal damage the drivetrain ? is it from the load you put on the drivetrain because you can use your bodyweight ... Yes there is more force applied to the drivetrain when one is standing up specially on uphill. It should not get damage though, if it does then you should check for the quality of the parts you buy next time. MTBR.com is a good place to start. |
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Post by joneth on Nov 14, 2005 11:40:58 GMT 8
for me, climbing while sitting on your saddle is better because it is more relaxing. u usually use a low gear when you want to sit. if u stand, its really a great workout because you work your leg muscles well while on high gear  |
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Post by Patrick on Nov 14, 2005 17:56:39 GMT 8
Im used to pedal in the city standing up (for about 2 km without sitting down), probably the reason why when i came back to the climb that i couldnt pedal without resting before(cavite, its close to 45 degrees climb) , now could do it without resting and climbing standing up on a high gear.
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Post by freelancer on Jan 24, 2006 22:44:39 GMT 8
for me i only stand whenever necessary... i usually sit while using low gear...  |
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Post by bongjumper on Jun 6, 2006 19:33:22 GMT 8
Stand, to built the momentum...then sit, for power recovery...stand again, if the speed is decreasing and shift to higher cogs...then sit, to maintaining the speed... |
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Post by 32by18 on Jun 7, 2006 11:19:41 GMT 8
climbing technique depends on a lot of factors...for starters, try to pick the smoothest line going up. it may not be the shortest route from Point A to Point B, but it will help you maintain momentum. Every little rock, rut or root you hit will slow you down. Aside from the trail conditions, your fitness base and muscles will dictate which works for you. Some individuals have more "fast-twitch" muscle fibres (used when standing), while others are more of the "slow-twitch" type (sitting and spinning)...Lactic acid tolerance is another factor (that burning sensation in your legs) too. The trick is, to listen to your body. Be in tune with it (you are the engine!). Try different techniques and you'll find a combination/tactic that will get you up that climb. Bongjumper gave some really good tips (see above)...just make sure you "clutch" (don't exert too much pressure on the pedals) when you are shifting to minimize the stress on your drivetrain. That said, try pedaling in circles (as mentioned above also), and not "jump" on the pedals. A smooth cadence will help minimize suspension bob. Most of all, have fun going up - because we all know the reward on the other side of that hill |
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Post by schwinng on Jun 7, 2006 13:33:31 GMT 8
Uhhhmmmm, if you ride a singlespeed, most likely, you'd be standing MOST of the time.
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Post by 32by18 on Jun 7, 2006 14:06:39 GMT 8
Hi Schwinng
That's true, but I have geared bike roots hehe
You can sit and mash on a singlespeed too, if you wish, but it'll be hard on the knees! (depends on incline and gearing)
ouch!
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Post by warlock^_^ on Jun 7, 2006 14:14:08 GMT 8
I sit... I have a &%#$% right knee so it's painful to put too much under it. Works well also if your riding an FS rig.
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Post by OnebyOne on Jun 24, 2006 1:34:02 GMT 8
You stand up when you're lazy to shift gears ... That's the reason why singlespeeders stand up most of the time because we don't want to shift gears and we don't want be called lazy either ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by REDNEB on Jun 24, 2006 22:12:23 GMT 8
Descending position: never sit down, the moment u sit ur azz down u will lose the ability to shift ur weight on ur bike and eventually panic and crash .  if u observe closely professional DH racers barely sit down... either theyr pedalling standing up(sprinting) or just rolling over techies wherein theyr also standing and pushing-pulling their bikes.  Same applies in Freeride , i mean u try hitting big air on ur seat and thats prolly gonna stop you from producing any kids in the near future not to mention losing ur tail bone n having faltulence issues(i have dont ask!) ;D if u wearout the brand logo on ur saddle it means u sit on ur azz too much! if u break/snap splined-sealed bottom brackets & azonic pedal spindles for a living........ ur doing the right thing... dnt worry ;D ?  climbing? ...ummm sum1 get me a ladder pls! ;D |
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Post by kumagdude on Jul 6, 2006 8:14:15 GMT 8
for me sitting while climbing is much easier than standing, because when you stand in climbingyour suspension bob and you loose your momentum.
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Post by kulot_salot on Jul 6, 2006 8:31:10 GMT 8
if hammering... or doing the sprint going for the finish line or to make a dash for something... lockout the front suspension, stand-up, & hammer-away...
if there is no need to hammer... why do it? just lockout the front suspension & pedal like crazy...
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Post by nell7806 on Jun 11, 2007 10:25:03 GMT 8
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Post by Dragunov on Jun 11, 2007 20:13:56 GMT 8
on a climb...never ever stand as long as you could pedal while sitting on your saddle because when you stand on your ascend it means thats the last burst of nergy that you have... ...I get this tip from my cousin who is frequently doing ascends with his hybrid bike who is now riding in Dubai, Kuya san na STX set mo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ? (trans...brad, wers your STX set!!!!!! ) me and some others here always stand on climbs and it was never our last burst of energy standing while climbing will give you more speed ! you just have to know when to stop standing. by doing this frequently , you will know when your body can sustain that burst or not |
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Post by joms on Jun 11, 2007 21:04:08 GMT 8
has anyone here tried standing while climbing the wall? |
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Post by Dragunov on Jun 11, 2007 21:06:11 GMT 8
has anyone here tried standing while climbing the wall? yes! theres lot of people here who could stand while climbing he wall like paul freeman and some other halimaws ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by nell7806 on Jun 11, 2007 22:29:51 GMT 8
on a climb...never ever stand as long as you could pedal while sitting on your saddle because when you stand on your ascend it means thats the last burst of nergy that you have... ...I get this tip from my cousin who is frequently doing ascends with his hybrid bike who is now riding in Dubai, Kuya san na STX set mo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ? (trans...brad, wers your STX set!!!!!! ) me and some others here always stand on climbs and it was never our last burst of energy standing while climbing will give you more speed ! you just have to know when to stop standing. by doing this frequently , you will know when your body can sustain that burst or not maybe I would try what you have said Señor Peter... I adapted this method along time ago maybe I could try yours and find out which method would fit me... |
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Post by Dragunov on Jun 11, 2007 22:42:44 GMT 8
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Post by ronaldarca on Jun 12, 2007 6:29:25 GMT 8
on a climb...never ever stand as long as you could pedal while sitting on your saddle because when you stand on your ascend it means thats the last burst of nergy that you have... i beg to disagree brad, since standing up is preferential... like what pete/dragunov says, once you get to tune yourself climbing up standing, you'll find it comfortable to do so sustaining it for longer. found them masters and SS people do it, hopefully some time i get to do it fluidly too [revised] oh btw, when you have expended your last burst of energy, try spinning in very low gear faster than you normally would, lactic juices will surely creep up so spin it up and burn them (got this tip also from the same guy who stands up climbing steepies ) has anyone here tried standing while climbing the wall? saw alot of people do that actually, me too, though i stand up climbing it up ON FOOT hehe just kidding brad |
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Post by djarcfox on Jun 12, 2007 8:21:13 GMT 8
joms: i've seen bans of dirt dawg stand while pedalling up to the wall
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Post by Dragunov on Jun 12, 2007 8:37:51 GMT 8
joms: i've seen bans of dirt dawg stand while pedalling up to the wall yep! he's a very fine example of someone who stands up climbing the "wall" its really amazing seeing him scale that wall on his DH bike  |
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Post by kulot_salot on Jun 12, 2007 10:24:50 GMT 8
try SS or even SS gearing when going up timberland.... |
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