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Post by dennism on Aug 27, 2006 20:06:54 GMT 8
i finally saved enough dough for a roadie upgrade, but not enough for top of the line DA 10 spd. i just have enough for either a dura ace 9 spd group, or a 10 spd ultegra. any advice guys?
thanks.
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Post by allegra on Aug 27, 2006 21:22:45 GMT 8
I'd go w/ the dura 9
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Post by § Ö L Ø ƒ L ¡ g h † ™ on Aug 27, 2006 22:40:44 GMT 8
Dura ace 9 much better.
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Post by dodongski on Aug 27, 2006 23:57:48 GMT 8
you said you are ugrading. why not go for dura ace 10. just sell your old gruppo and add the cash to dough. it would be cheaper in the long run than go for ultegra 10 or dura 9 then eventually upgrading to dura 10. If you are thinking the other way around, i.e. buy ultegra 10 or dura 9 then stick to it. dura 9 will do.
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Post by byteblues on Aug 28, 2006 1:53:32 GMT 8
campy record....just kidding. if ur into race go for dura ace 9... no compromise. but if ur only going for training/leisure/fitness....the new 105 10 speed would be great...just getting a couple of buck savings.
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Post by grnhrnt on Aug 28, 2006 9:47:19 GMT 8
Although the dura 9 has more "pogi" points attached to it, The Ultegra 10 does the job more than sufficiently. Actually better than expected. I would go w/ the Ultegra 10. The performance gain in terms of shifting & braking and stiffness of crank arm etc. I would say is about the same. It would all boil down to weight i guess. The dura 9 gruppo is lighter ( i could be wrong) because it only has 9 gears. but based on my experience, the extra gear helps the gradual increase & decrease of the pedal loads. you are able to shift to just the right amount of heaviness. Really helps when your tired and have to get that extra push.
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Post by rt on Aug 28, 2006 18:39:03 GMT 8
Ultegra 10's shifting is softer than the Dura Ace 9. It's more pleasant to my hands.
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Post by dennism on Aug 28, 2006 20:19:27 GMT 8
Thanks for the advice folks. But what do you say about this: according to one website, DA 9 is better than DA 10, since it is more durable. As proof, they cite how 9 spd is the standard for cyclocross, and how mtbiking never got into 10 spd. This, according to them, shows that 9 is more durable than 10. Also, they mentioned something about Shimano, although knowing that 9 makes more sense, still produced 10 since Campy came up with 10. Do you agree?
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Post by Superbad on Aug 28, 2006 22:22:57 GMT 8
i'd go with a 10 speed. in a few years you'll have trouble looking for parts. aside from that i use an ultegra 10 speed and i looooove it.
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Post by mcvarki on Aug 28, 2006 22:48:28 GMT 8
there's more to the new 10 speed shimano groupsets than just the extra gear. have you considered, the new external bearing crankset, improved ergos for the STI levers, better durability and shift feel because according to shimano they patterned the shift mechanism after mtb shifters(go mtbikers!!! , redesigned brake caliper profile, improved aesthetics(subjective), etc, etc. dura 9 on the other hand has good classic elegant lines that are hard to beat (subjective also that said i'd still go for dura-ace 9 speed, because i always wanted them when they first came out and i still can't afford them now, huhuhu ;D
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Post by jr on Aug 29, 2006 22:21:29 GMT 8
there's more to the new 10 speed shimano groupsets than just the extra gear. have you considered, the new external bearing crankset, improved ergos for the STI levers, better durability and shift feel because according to shimano they patterned the shift mechanism after mtb shifters(go mtbikers!!! , redesigned brake caliper profile, improved aesthetics(subjective), etc, etc. dura 9 on the other hand has good classic elegant lines that are hard to beat (subjective also that said i'd still go for dura-ace 9 speed, because i always wanted them when they first came out and i still can't afford them now, huhuhu ;D ;D ;D ;D good one matt..dont worry the new model will come out soon and the price will go down but the problem is, going to be hard to find parts within 2 years..
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Post by kristiansen on Aug 30, 2006 14:18:21 GMT 8
hello! how much is the ultegra 10 gruppo now BTW?and where available.thanks.
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Post by sleepydog on Aug 30, 2006 19:19:08 GMT 8
i'd go with a 10 speed. in a few years you'll have trouble looking for parts. aside from that i use an ultegra 10 speed and i looooove it. Dirk is right. Go for the 10 speed instead. In the future you will have compatibility problems with upgrading your parts if you choose a 9 speed. An example would be upgrading your wheelset, future wheelsets will be based on the 10 speed rear cluster. I'm running an 8 speed campy rear cluster & there aren't anymore manufacturers that make wheelsets based on my old cogets. You wouldn't want to be stuck with my problem.. time for an upgrade also..
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Post by lucban on Aug 31, 2006 9:26:57 GMT 8
If you want to upgrade, just wait till you can afford DA 10.DA 9 is good but its an old model.
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Post by woofers on Aug 31, 2006 10:52:04 GMT 8
I'm running an 8 speed campy rear cluster & there aren't anymore manufacturers that make wheelsets based on my old cogets. You wouldn't want to be stuck with my problem.. time for an upgrade also.. 8 speed Shimano and Campy may not be the sexiest groups anymore, but the parts are still readily available. You just have to look.
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Post by woofers on Aug 31, 2006 10:54:11 GMT 8
i finally saved enough dough for a roadie upgrade, but not enough for top of the line DA 10 spd. i just have enough for either a dura ace 9 spd group, or a 10 spd ultegra. any advice guys? Go for 10spd ultegra. The performance diff between ultegra and dura ace is not worth the price diff. If you get the DA9, you will always wonder what 10spd is like.
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Post by mcvarki on Aug 31, 2006 12:26:00 GMT 8
Dirk is right. Go for the 10 speed instead. In the future you will have compatibility problems with upgrading your parts if you choose a 9 speed. An example would be upgrading your wheelset, future wheelsets will be based on the 10 speed rear cluster. I'm running an 8 speed campy rear cluster & there aren't anymore manufacturers that make wheelsets based on my old cogets. You wouldn't want to be stuck with my problem.. time for an upgrade also.. wheelsets (for shimano) will be the least of your problems. 8,9 and 10 speed use the same freehub spacing.
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Post by king on Aug 31, 2006 12:55:46 GMT 8
matt, build your ss roadie yet? Dirk is right. Go for the 10 speed instead. In the future you will have compatibility problems with upgrading your parts if you choose a 9 speed. An example would be upgrading your wheelset, future wheelsets will be based on the 10 speed rear cluster. I'm running an 8 speed campy rear cluster & there aren't anymore manufacturers that make wheelsets based on my old cogets. You wouldn't want to be stuck with my problem.. time for an upgrade also.. wheelsets (for shimano) will be the least of your problems. 8,9 and 10 speed use the same freehub spacing.
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Post by allegra on Aug 31, 2006 14:17:44 GMT 8
dura , kasi it has won the TdF
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Post by mcvarki on Sept 1, 2006 3:20:34 GMT 8
matt, build your ss roadie yet? Hi King! no not yet, too many other ss mtb projects going on,hehe. hope to see you on the road or trails soon
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Post by king on Sept 1, 2006 12:56:30 GMT 8
that old n = b + 1 equation has been proven yet again
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Post by grnhrnt on Sept 7, 2006 15:16:54 GMT 8
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Post by dennism on Sept 8, 2006 4:41:36 GMT 8
Thanks for all the advice, I decided to go for the DA 9. This may be a false analogy but in the end, I thought I'd rather have an 2001 lexus than a 2007 toyota. although both have 0 mileage.
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Post by king on Sept 8, 2006 9:51:59 GMT 8
i think i would have gone for da 9 as well. i have the same mindset, which is why i'm still using my 8 speed xt/xtr 9 speed will be around for a while yet i think, in the same way that you can still get 8 speed cogs. if you want to be sure, you can start stocking up on 9 speed cassettes in different ranges to make sure you're covered in the future the one thing that will be hard to find by the way, are bottom brackets! having a hard time finding a spare one for my 952 xtr. but then again, you can always replace cranks in the future.
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Post by rt on Sept 8, 2006 18:22:21 GMT 8
It's not a bad choice after all. A Dura-Ace is a Dura-Ace.
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