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Post by maxbuwaya on Nov 11, 2004 23:48:26 GMT 8
Read it on MTB action TrailGrams yata, RC was on the phone talking to roadie friend and they where like arguing about the cost betweeen an MTB and a RB
So bakit nga ba? dehins pa ba narereach ng roadbike ang peak ng technological design? I mean a roadbike is gotta be one of the oldest form of bicycle.
Material? Carbon , Titanium we can also found them on MTB.
No suspension on RB and its so expensive? Why? A suspension set in a MTB is usually the most expensive part of a MTB.
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Post by bernie on Nov 12, 2004 15:15:53 GMT 8
Kasi nga siguro gawa ng frame materials, di ba nga dun sa dating lumang store sa Magallanes, yung Corsa nga ba yun, may mga tinda dati, batalya lang lagpas 100K na, mahal din ang gruppo lalu na kung die hard high ends ka at C-Groups pa.
pero sa mtb pa din ako. ;D
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Post by lucban on Nov 14, 2004 13:20:56 GMT 8
Before, i only ride mtb but when i start Road bike i spend probably 70% of my biking miles/week on road bike and just 30% on Mtb.I think this is just the common evolution of a cyclist from BMX to MTB to Road.I feel the workout more on Road than Mtb.Road bike tech. is far more advance than Mtb since most of the road race/tour are well known and high price/well marketed race compared to Mtb.
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Post by jr on Nov 14, 2004 14:09:21 GMT 8
Before, i only ride mtb but when i start Road bike i spend probably 70% of my biking miles/week on road bike and just 30% on Mtb.I think this is just the common evolution of a cyclist from BMX to MTB to Road.I feel the workout more on Road than Mtb.Road bike tech. is far more advance than Mtb since most of the road race/tour are well known and high price/well marketed race compared to Mtb. I would say "MTB is the fastest growing good workout plus enjoy the scenery that's the reason why MTB frame was so expensive. Also MFG competes for customer demand, comfort and of course market" Lucban, There is a advantage between road and MTB base on training. But I would say MTB is more intense workout than Road. Specially in technical sections is a combination of mine, heart and body during downhill. This will drain your energy faster than road. I do road for 5 years and is not as intense as MTB just endurance. There is an article one time that 50 miles of road is equavilent 30 miles of MTB. I know most of roady when they do MTB they are not agressive and afraid tackling technical sections. I would not say all of them but is fact. Remember Lance Amstrong when he won the 2nd tour. He competed in MTB what happen... he came 6 place. I think Roland Green make fun of him (both indorse by Trek). He admitted that MTB is far more intense race than road. Since then he never race again. I dont say he could not win but training is far more intense cause the race is just least than an hour. He is the guy like a deasel.. it get stronger when the race get longer The other side is Brian Larson used to be a roady and never win a tour but he dominated 2 year of MTB. I think MTB frame is more tech than road. Look at in the last 8 years. How much spent for research and development in MTB frame compare to Road frame. Road frame is never change the looks and design. They just working on how many ounces they can shave to frame. The most money spend on Road is the clothing, helmet due to wind drag and training. Just my opinion.
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Post by minotaur on Nov 14, 2004 18:23:03 GMT 8
I agree with sir Jr... The technology of RB is now just based of shaving extra ounces and more aerodynamic clothing. Pero, what is next for RB?... Ceramic frames?
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Post by lucban on Nov 15, 2004 9:40:20 GMT 8
I would say "MTB is the fastest growing good workout plus enjoy the scenery that's the reason why MTB frame was so expensive. Also MFG competes for customer demand, comfort and of course market" Lucban, There is a advantage between road and MTB base on training. But I would say MTB is more intense workout than Road. Specially in technical sections is a combination of mine, heart and body during downhill. This will drain your energy faster than road. I do road for 5 years and is not as intense as MTB just endurance. There is an article one time that 50 miles of road is equavilent 30 miles of MTB. I know most of roady when they do MTB they are not agressive and afraid tackling technical sections. I would not say all of them but is fact. Remember Lance Amstrong when he won the 2nd tour. He competed in MTB what happen... he came 6 place. I think Roland Green make fun of him (both indorse by Trek). He admitted that MTB is far more intense race than road. Since then he never race again. I dont say he could not win but training is far more intense cause the race is just least than an hour. He is the guy like a deasel.. it get stronger when the race get longer The other side is Brian Larson used to be a roady and never win a tour but he dominated 2 year of MTB. I think MTB frame is more tech than road. Look at in the last 8 years. How much spent for research and development in MTB frame compare to Road frame. Road frame is never change the looks and design. They just working on how many ounces they can shave to frame. The most money spend on Road is the clothing, helmet due to wind drag and training. Just my opinion. I agree with you Jr.It just so happen that when i started to do cross training bet. mtb and road bike, i feel more gain in power/watts and endu./aerobic power(base on CTS system)
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Post by jr on Nov 15, 2004 12:29:09 GMT 8
I agree with you Jr.It just so happen that when i started to do cross training bet. mtb and road bike, i feel more gain in power/watts and endu./aerobic power(base on CTS system) I agree.. road ride make you more stronger and last longer due to more leg power workout with low heart rate. MTB will increase your heart rate 80% within two minutes compare to road. Road it takes a while before you reach 80%. The other side road you will feel the pain your leg muscle in two minutes with high cadence. . Thats the reason why most MTB elite still do road to improve power and maintain low heart rate to make them faster.
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Post by woofers on Nov 16, 2004 10:54:01 GMT 8
So bakit nga ba? dehins pa ba narereach ng roadbike ang peak ng technological design? I mean a roadbike is gotta be one of the oldest form of bicycle. Material? Carbon , Titanium we can also found them on MTB. No suspension on RB and its so expensive? Why? A suspension set in a MTB is usually the most expensive part of a MTB. Marketing! Realistically, your mid-range road bike will cost about the same as a mid-range MTB. It's only in the entry-level components and full bikes that MTB is cheaper. There are extremes in both disciplines, of course. By the way, I was bikeshoe shopping in Cartimar this Saturday and got to drool over one of the rarest and most expensive bikes I've ever seen: a Colnago 50th Anniversary signature model going for P370k. The next day, I was at UP just riding around amidst the joggers and weekend riders and saw an old guy (60's, early 70's) in retro jersey riding the exact same model! Apparently there are only two of this model in the Philippines, and I got to see both of them in a single weekend.
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Post by lucban on Nov 18, 2004 13:33:30 GMT 8
Carbon,aluminum,scandium and titanium-these are the commonly use frame material on road bike and mtb.But frame design in road is more precise,balance and perfected to fit the typical cycling dynamic posture.Right now,high end road bikes are so expensive simply because of high end marketing.They have to pay elite cyclist/cycling team to use their bike in high price race like Giro,tour de France,Vuelta etc.Like Lance A. road bike-Trek SL and Madone-Carbon frame with so so parts (dura ace and bontrager lite),there are more excellent bike than this(trek) but since it was used by LanceArmstrong, you have to pay more.But me, i'm planning to buy one of the ff: road bike next year if my "Kumander" will allow me._Time Team,Scott team,giant advanced and Trek SSL.
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Post by woofers on Nov 18, 2004 18:12:21 GMT 8
Actually the single most expensive component on a road bike is the brake/shifter lever. A mid-range Shimano 105 brifter costs around P8,500. The Dura Ace brifter is around P14,000.
All the other components in the groupset -- derailleurs, brakes, cranks and BB -- cost approximately the same as their MTB counterparts.
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Post by jr on Nov 18, 2004 21:44:46 GMT 8
Also since not much competition on Road and MTB parts. Mfg like Shimano and Capagnolo most biggest bike component maker can manipulate the price.
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Post by wcoastbo on Nov 19, 2004 8:23:11 GMT 8
I gotta agree with woofers... it's all about the marketing! roadies will pay more for bikes, therefore it's priced higher. I can't believe it would cost more to mfg road parts than it does mtb parts, especially frames. go to the Seven website and compare prices... the high-end Ti road bikes are more expensive than the high-end f/s mtb and both are double butted Ti frames. sevencycles.com/bikes/index.html In my opinion... the generally more elitist personality of roadies lets the mfgs charge a higher price. call it the "snob" tax.
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Post by dasaint on Nov 19, 2004 9:49:08 GMT 8
IMHO it because of volume since MTB has more market then Roadies. they turn out more MTB parts and bikes then road .
since cost of production goes down when more is made this allows a lower selling price. since road bike tend to have a smaller market the cost of production is higher.
this is the reason for the disparity in price.
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Post by Ben Dover on Nov 19, 2004 10:04:39 GMT 8
im selling my giant XTC hartail with 9 spd LX components. MX Pro Coil Fork. for only $1,000,000.00 !! road bikes are not so expensive now don they? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D somebody from this board is gonna kill me someday. ;D i can feel it
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Post by staind on Nov 19, 2004 10:17:31 GMT 8
somebody from this board is gonna kill me someday. ;D i can feel it anong someday, someday?? malapit na kitang mapatay oi! :harhar:
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Post by Ben Dover on Nov 19, 2004 10:21:09 GMT 8
Kasi nga siguro gawa ng frame materials, di ba nga dun sa dating lumang store sa Magallanes, yung Corsa nga ba yun, may mga tinda dati, batalya lang lagpas 100K na, mahal din ang gruppo lalu na kung die hard high ends ka at C-Groups pa. pero sa mtb pa din ako. ;D ey bernie, sori sa OT. i was once a customer of that shop a long time ago. i went there last year only to find out it wasnt there anymore. duon ako nakakita ng mga orig na klein frames na pintura pa lang tutulo na laway mo. ano nga ba pangalan nung shop na iyon at saan lumipat? thanks big brad.
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Post by Ben Dover on Nov 19, 2004 10:27:08 GMT 8
anong someday, someday?? malapit na kitang mapatay oi! bwahaha! ;D ;D i just wud like to know, how do you plan to put my bike inside my coffin? ;D ;D
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Post by warlock^_^ on Nov 19, 2004 11:03:47 GMT 8
im selling my giant XTC hartail with 9 spd LX components. MX Pro Coil Fork. for only $1,000,000.00 !! road bikes are not so expensive now do they? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D somebody from this board is gonna kill me someday. ;D i can feel it Nahh wala pre...PinoyMTBiker eto (note: MTB)....try posting this sa PCN.... they will be unto you like hyenas ;D
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Post by Ben Dover on Nov 19, 2004 12:40:59 GMT 8
Nahh wala pre...PinoyMTBiker eto (note: MTB)....try posting this sa PCN.... they will be unto you like hyenas ;D u hav a good point there...ok nga dito very friendly ang atmosphere..dehins nakakailang mag bigay ng point of view. sana ma maintain lang.. cheers lalo na sa mods.
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Post by staind on Nov 19, 2004 13:03:13 GMT 8
u hav a good point there...ok nga dito very friendly ang atmosphere..dehins nakakailang mag bigay ng point of view. sana ma maintain lang.. cheers lalo na sa mods. dito kasi pre, pag kups na ang dating... kinakausap ng maayos. pag di nakinig, kakausapin uli. tapos kausap uli. pero after 3 strikes at kups pa rin sya... :gun: :smash: nakaka-2-strikes ka na sa kin. :harhar: j/k pre, baka seryosohin mo!
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Post by maxbuwaya on Nov 19, 2004 13:19:59 GMT 8
hmmm maybe i should start this thread at PCN.... ;D
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Post by oilman on Nov 19, 2004 13:48:59 GMT 8
Psst balik tayo sa topic. Isip ko baka akala nila, marami pera ang ma roadies at kukunti sila ;D ;D ;D ;D Kaya mahal and road bike? Seriously, I think it simply economics of market size. Production efficiency, research, varying ride disciplines and marketing competition revolves around it. MTB rules!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by gulliver on Nov 19, 2004 21:59:06 GMT 8
all i can say about this, if i wanted to ride a road fast, i'd get a porsche. if i wanted to go where there were no roads, i'd get a mountain bike. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by maxbuwaya on Nov 19, 2004 22:16:27 GMT 8
are you guys saying that a lot of road bikers are just plain suckers for their marketing hype?
ehehehehehehehe
seriously , in this sport we are all suckers for it! eheehehehe ;D
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Post by bernie on Nov 20, 2004 8:43:41 GMT 8
ey bernie, sori sa OT. i was once a customer of that shop a long time ago. i went there last year only to find out it wasnt there anymore. duon ako nakakita ng mga orig na klein frames na pintura pa lang tutulo na laway mo. ano nga ba pangalan nung shop na iyon at saan lumipat? thanks big brad. CORSA Store, Yung sa Robinson, Khumbmela, selling their bag products at saka elite MTB's at Roadies.
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Post by bernie on Jan 17, 2005 8:37:50 GMT 8
Siguro as of now, baka mas mahal na ang MTB kaysa roadies. Wala pa akong nakitang 3M pesos na Road Bike pero MTB meron na di ba he he he .
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Post by manilacyclist on Jan 19, 2005 4:40:24 GMT 8
very nice topic pero nakakatakot mag post...baka may sensitive cyclist na ma-offend.
case to case naman po eh. there are mtb's that are way more expensive than road bikes and vise versa.
pero kung built bike ang comparison natin...in general mas mahal nga ang road. take for example a quattro assi with campy record versus an intense with shimano saint or xtr....
marketing like what most have already said ay isa po sa mga factors.
most of the time i think it would be the exotic nature of the road bike that makes it more expensive in general.
but we all have to admit that cycling technology is with mountain bikes. hayop talaga ang mga bagong piyesa ng mga mtb's vs road. sa road kasi, yun at yun na rin.
cheers and ride safe...roadie po ito na may mtb buddies.
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Post by bernie on Jan 19, 2005 5:32:12 GMT 8
Sa Gruppo mas mataas ang Road, XTR is around 60K, Dura Ace is around 75K, kaya nga lamang sa fork nagkakatalo at sa frame, before I do believe na ang Racer ay napakamahal, pero nung nagka MTB fever era na, lumakas bigla at nagmahal ang MTB parts.
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Post by raven on May 16, 2005 19:01:08 GMT 8
CRAFTSMANSHIP.........NO OFFENSE I'M AN AVID MTB RIDER I HATE RIDING RB, BUT I ENVY THE CRAFTSMANSHIP THEY PUT UP ON THE PARTS OF RB.....PERSONALLYS SPEAKING......DNT' SHOOT......
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Post by jr on May 18, 2005 11:10:08 GMT 8
Remember Road bike is been around for years compare to MTB. MTB shot the market in the 90s and the technology caught up to road bike. I still think MTB is more expensive if you look around from frame, components and maintenance. I said this because how many time you change component, parts and maintenance in Road compare to MTB .
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