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Post by spyghost on Oct 10, 2016 13:49:23 GMT 8
I was off the saddle for 3 weekends already since i find it hard to breathe under sustained elevated heart rates.
Apart from not smoking (which I really don't and never tried), how do you guys with respiratory illnesses (ie asthma), or heart related illnesses push limits in any physical endeavor. cycling or mtb'ng for the sake of discussion?
it's not just a hindrance to progression buy rather 'very painful' - literally. one can hit plateau easily given these predicaments.
so, how do you do it?
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Post by anthrax76 on Oct 10, 2016 14:18:08 GMT 8
normally i try to hit 80% of maximum heart rate. after a week or so that i can hit it, i try to progress to keeping my heart rate elevated longer and longer.
now, there are instances that i can't reach it (long time off the saddle, age) i pretty much would go survival mode. no need to push too hard if you can't get home in one piece. I'll try to repeat it again next time I have a chance, it might be just having a bad day or it will be my new benchmark.
Being a hiker also puts a few things in perspective. I could be up in the mountains, but if i give up, I'll never get home no matter what. As opposed to having a mode of transportation and all I need to do is to stop and catch my breath a little.
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Post by konablack on Oct 10, 2016 14:20:45 GMT 8
I was in the same situation about 3 months ago. After a trail ride, I got sick (cough and fever) and the doctor said it could be a case of asthma. It was not a good news for me. He also said not to push hard when hitting the trails. The good news is that it was not asthma and I got cured. For now, I just do casual riding around my area. I'm kinda following what the doctor told me. I guess if I feel fit enough then I could get back to the trails  |
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Post by esulit on Oct 11, 2016 19:33:12 GMT 8
Have you seen your doctor? I just had a visit with my doctor after my Executive Check up and I just found out how much my asthma has been hindering my physical activities. I basically failed the breathing test, meaning I did not inhale and exhale the normal volume of air because of asthma. My doctor put me on a new drug for three months to open up my airways. And man did it work wonders for me. I was able to ride harder and recover faster.
The thing was, I wouldn't have found it out if I hadn't gone for the check up on breathing.
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Post by konablack on Oct 12, 2016 7:41:07 GMT 8
Have you seen your doctor? I just had a visit with my doctor after my Executive Check up and I just found out how much my asthma has been hindering my physical activities. I basically failed the breathing test, meaning I did not inhale and exhale the normal volume of air because of asthma. My doctor put me on a new drug for three months to open up my airways. And man did it work wonders for me. I was able to ride harder and recover faster. The thing was, I wouldn't have found it out if I hadn't gone for the check up on breathing. I went to the doctor after I finished the medicine, he said that the wheezing stopped and recommended to work on deep breathing exercises  Are you still on medication? |
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Post by esulit on Oct 12, 2016 9:34:33 GMT 8
Good for you konablack. I still have about a month and a half to go with my meds. I tried stopping medication one day last week and the breathing restriction came back. I will go back to my doctor after the period is over but I fear I will be stuck with this med for a long time. And to add to the OP's inquiry, I have been working on deep breathing during workouts specially during my stationary bike workouts. I've been able to stabilize my heart rate on the stationary bike and I guess, it would be pretty close for road biking. But the problem with trail biking is that there are many momentary bursts of power. Getting over rocks, lifting my front wheel over a big root, squatting to absorb the bumps, pumping the roller section, pedaling over mud. Of course that's what makes mountain biking fun. So to cope up I am trying to vary the workout on the stationary bike, 1 min regular speed, 1 min heavy resistance, rest 1 min, 1 min fast spinning 100 rpm, rest then repeat 3x. Now my legs hurt. |
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Post by konablack on Oct 12, 2016 9:49:25 GMT 8
Yep, it's kinda frustrating to see you still have a bunch of meds to take. I also felt that, tried to stop taking meds but have thought about it that I'll get better after this. Just be patient (no pun intended). you'll get better too. Regarding heart rates, for me, it seems like my heart rate is proportional to the height of the hill i'm about to ride, especially Shotgun or any of the Walls in san mateo |
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Post by anthrax76 on Oct 12, 2016 11:11:59 GMT 8
you can push for higher heart rates on a trainer so that you'll have that dialled in. and you're right, no point in measuring heart rates on the trail because you'll have an erratic one. thing is, your indoor training will help you on those long climbs.
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Post by spyghost on Oct 12, 2016 21:13:02 GMT 8
i have childhood asthma. last attack was 8, 9 or 10 yo... can't really recall.
a couple of weeks back i've suffered from continuous coughing. i'm done with the meds but still taking expectorant to clear air passage. the doc cleared me already though of bronchitis, but personally i'd still go for a follow up checkup even if coughing is gone. perhaps another X-ray for assurance.
i do agree that mtb riding is very anaerobic in nature and that the physical demands does take a ton from the body, ie quick bursts of power coupled with a lot of muscle recruitment (which at times one thinks isn't needed but it is). it's not just pedalling that's involved. off saddle training do have a lot of benefits as it requires strength and endurance combined. just pedaling is not enough for mtb riding
it's going to be a tough one for me this coming weekends. definitely my rpe has gone down and intervals will definitely be a major pain!
yep intervals are painful - if it isn't then it's not performed correctly lol. just that what happened to be took a toll. i haven't ridden back yet, but i do feel it when walking. could be because i still have cough.
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Post by esulit on Oct 12, 2016 22:18:58 GMT 8
I read from the Apex Nutrition blog that even in the US, this is the season for bronchitis. One of the best remedies to help cyclists is to regularly take two tablespoons of apple cider vinegar. So you can try that as well. There is no harm in it as it has anti oxidant qualities also. If you are acidic try one tablespoon in the morning mixed with water and honey--cold--and one in the evening. Nutritionist Kelli Jennings says this will help clear the lungs.
I'd take it easy recovering from a cough. I nearly blacked out once, when I pushed it while recovering.
On the topic of exercise, I am shifting to doing heavier weights to simulate the bursts required in MTB. So I try to max it out in exercises that use big muscles like dead lifts, pull ups, squats, lunges etc. I might give the impression that I am a super biker by now but that is hardly the case since I am fighting back from my asthmatic condition.
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Post by spyghost on Oct 13, 2016 6:53:28 GMT 8
I read from the Apex Nutrition blog that even in the US, this is the season for bronchitis. One of the best remedies to help cyclists is to regularly take two tablespoons of apple cider vinegar. So you can try that as well. There is no harm in it as it has anti oxidant qualities also. If you are acidic try one tablespoon in the morning mixed with water and honey--cold--and one in the evening. Nutritionist Kelli Jennings says this will help clear the lungs. I'd take it easy recovering from a cough. I nearly blacked out once, when I pushed it while recovering. On the topic of exercise, I am shifting to doing heavier weights to simulate the bursts required in MTB. So I try to max it out in exercises that use big muscles like dead lifts, pull ups, squats, lunges etc. I might give the impression that I am a super biker by now but that is hardly the case since I am fighting back from my asthmatic condition. i do take apple cider vinegar mixed with water, but for uric acid - yea don't really know if it works, but no harm though as it's just vinegar and water  . I drink it up as if it were some concoction. when i was a kid i did take a tbsp of honey am and pm. a variation of which is that my mom mixes it with a few pieces of chopped garlic. not sure if it really helped as well, but i did like the combination of the sweetness, bitterness and spiciness  . i now wonder where to get 'real' honey these days. i did a few weeks of off saddle in the gym. i did have its benefits and it was huge even though i only had a few sessions (the so called noob gains i suppose). guess what, i really am lazy in gym stuff lol. i just do bodyweight exercises at home - varieties of push up, squat lunges and back bridges. i am a wuss at pull ups, chin ups, even down to the humble reverse row. this is something i'm really working on for the past months, which i don't really progress well tbh. and yes, i'm not a good mtb'er - just a survivor  and i don't have a muscular physique - bony shoulders and loose belly (i was fat before). i do want to own a set of 8#, 16#, and 24# kettlebells and a few dumbbells as those are the only weights i can keep in the house. what sort of breathing exercise do you do? (i'm pretty sure deep breaths aren't enough) |
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Post by esulit on Oct 13, 2016 11:43:50 GMT 8
Breathing Exercises
As I said before I am fighting back my asthmatic condition so deep breaths are the basic. But what I try to do is properly time the proper deep breathing with the physical activity. For example if I do deadlifts, I will try to inhale deeply as I go down to squat, and exhale as much as possible during the push to upright position. I found that by doing this I can recover quicker--so I can complete my circuit training in less time or do more exercises in the same amount of time. The tricky part is applying this to mountain biking. So for example as you approach a jump, you inhale as you go low and load up, then exhale as you explode upwards at the lip. Its almost like pumping skills, if you pump at the wrong time, you loose momentum over to mound. So far I think I'm doing it wrong because I find myself panting after a few rounds around my local trail.
So breathing correctly is important for me also because as an ageing athlete, you loose a lot of your aerobic capacity. And I have read research that point to the need to do intense workouts (need strong breathing) as opposed to long and slow workouts, in order to maintain that aerobic capacity. And in my case its an already diminished capacity because of asthma.
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Post by spyghost on Oct 22, 2016 8:26:18 GMT 8
i just came back to the saddle from 5 weekends of being ill and bad weather. did 15 mins of light pedaling around the village as warm up. i tried to do uphill intervals... d@mn i just did 1 climb and boom! need to find shaded curb to sit down! recovery took at least 45 mins before i could walk. before i used to do 10 straight reps of this before i need to take a break - and that break is active recovery (ie still pedaling) what a massive degradation cardiovascular endurance! i didn't feel any loss of power so to speak. it's just that my heart and lungs can't cope with the high intensity. my used to be zone 3 has become zone 2... ouch  |
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Post by esulit on Oct 23, 2016 22:13:30 GMT 8
Unless you are sick with something else, your endurance should come back after a few rides. That's what happened to me also, after a bout of cough and colds, I almost blacked out in the about 500m of biking at heroes trail. Then it took me about 45 mins to recover.
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Post by albatross99 on Oct 25, 2016 0:07:52 GMT 8
When you start to feel stressed and overwhelmed by a hard pace, try this breathing technique: Instead of actively drawing air into the lungs then passively letting it out (our normal pattern), push the air out and let it naturally flow back in. Bonus: Because of how you activate your lungs to do this, it also helps you get into a low riding position and maintain a flatter back.
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Post by b3y0nd2000 on Nov 22, 2017 6:59:43 GMT 8
I am building a good kind of MTB for my long journey back home in Panay Island,I am planning for a long voyage from Manila to my hometown in San Jose,Antique,A year ago I was diagnose of stage 2B lung cancer and did my operations right after few test,they have taken off my right upper lobe lungs to prevent the spread of cancer(VATS)few months after operation,I've done my chemo for almost 6months,for now they are still monitoring and I can say...results are all okay.Once the doctor will advice that I am fit for a long journey then I'll go ahead of the plan.sa ngayon naghahanap pa ako ng sponsor to help me built my bike,last week I bought myself a new frame (Specialized Epic HT).Sa lahat ng mga may health problem just go on with your daily routine exercise.and to all cancer patients around the world Never,Never give up,giving up is not an options.We will not going down without a Fight.As long na kaya kung pumadyak ng bike I won't give up.God bless us all.
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Post by anarki on Nov 22, 2017 21:23:42 GMT 8
Laban!
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Post by b3y0nd2000 on Nov 24, 2017 15:26:38 GMT 8
Yes Sir,Laban lang po!Sabi ko nga on some cancer patients na nakasabay ko during my chemo na,Giving up is not an Options,sabi nga ni Deadpool...
"The Worst Part About Cancer Isn't What It Does To You....But What It Does To The People You Love" kayat hanggat gumagalaw pa ang mga paa sir,I won't stop riding my Bike,besides,as what my PT advice biking and swimming are good exercise.and I noticed on some cancer patient pag nalaman nilang may cancer sila,parang tapos na ang ikot ng mundo sa kanila,you shouldn't be,enjoy your life,kung ano yung mga ginagawa ninyo dati just go on with your daily routine,don't get scared,we are not immortal accept the reality live your life normal and dont give up,kaya sa lahat ng mga cancer patient na nababasa etong msg.ko LABAN lang!
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Post by verblkint on Nov 24, 2017 19:13:29 GMT 8
Very inspiring story, sir. Cancer has been a prevailing threat to my family as my lolo died of it and my tita has it. I wish you the best of luck on your treatment.
I hope you post your progress on social media, too, btw.
A bit of marketing online, plus a few likes here or there, and I'm sure potential sponsors will take notice.
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Post by esulit on Nov 26, 2017 11:56:17 GMT 8
Thanks for sharing your story about your battle with cancer. It’s really scary as it can hit anyone anytime. But it’s great to hear about people coping and adopting to the situation. Very inspiring.
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Post by b3y0nd2000 on Nov 26, 2017 14:47:13 GMT 8
Sir verblkint,I am so sorry to hear 'bout your lolo,at sa Tita mo naman,kindly tell her Never give up,at syempre po prayers can really help,and wishing your tita the best of luck on her treatment as well,and thank you sa advice sir,will do that. Sir esulit,yes sir it is so scary,wala po kasing pinipili bata ka man o matanda,during my chemo before kung minsan nakakasabay ko mga bata,naawa ako sa kanila,how can I explain to them na,lumaban ka,huwag kang sumuko,sa dami ng mga trials dumaan sa buhay ko kaya siguro naging positibo ang mga panananaw ko,kailangan pa ako ng mga anak ko,As a single dad medyo mahirap,my kids were just 6 and 8 years old when their mom passed away (Aneurysm 2005)I promised my wife na I will do anything mapatapos ko lang mga anak namin,I can say na that promise I made to her I will fullfil next year,gagraduate na si bunso next year,our eldest son just graduated month of june 2017 and now working on a reputable company.matupad ko lang yung promise ko sa wife ko,at makita kung nasa stable na yung dalawa,I can say na,I can close,my eyes anytime. Kaya sa lahat ng may mga karamdaman at mga may sakit,huwag kayong mag mukmok sa sulok,enjoy your life,sabi nga ni sir anarki LABAN!
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. I drink it up as if it were some concoction.
. i now wonder where to get 'real' honey these days.
and i don't have a muscular physique - bony shoulders and loose belly (i was fat before). i do want to own a set of 8#, 16#, and 24# kettlebells and a few dumbbells as those are the only weights i can keep in the house.
