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Post by Jan Atienza on Dec 24, 2007 20:17:30 GMT 8
11-34 163 gms 11-32 160 gms 9 Speed Compatible with Shimano and SRAM systems Anodized gold lockring included Philippine warranty applies* 2 Ti 3 Scandium 4 Aluminium Intended for normal and racing use Rollout on Dec 28 *Install new chains upon purchase to prolong life of cassette KCNC recommends KMC and KCNC chains for superior performance
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Post by meltimtiman on Dec 24, 2007 20:52:03 GMT 8
Magkano naman kaya yan at saan mabibili?
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Post by radskiee on Dec 26, 2007 10:24:42 GMT 8
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Post by Jan Atienza on Dec 26, 2007 15:29:17 GMT 8
Magkano naman kaya yan at saan mabibili? The standard retail price without shipping and taxes is P11,500.00 from UK to Hongkong.....from Fairwheel Bikes to eBay. To reach its intended market in Metro Manila, these cassettes will initially be sold directly by online resellers (so as to cut holding costs) for only P8,300.00.Standard warranty applies with the promotional price. You may book your orders with the following starting Dec 28 - Raven Online Dragunov707 Yukon
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Post by randiezbee on Dec 27, 2007 8:31:51 GMT 8
wow ... i like this cog
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Post by BrusKO on Dec 27, 2007 8:42:05 GMT 8
brad, how does the warranty work? Let's say I wear it out in less than six months. Warranty 'yon?
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Post by king on Dec 27, 2007 9:07:34 GMT 8
here's a little write up from mtbr. looks like cool stuff. reviews.mtbr.com/interbike/kcnc/"The cogsets are a piece of artwork and engineering. They are made of 3 parts for a 9 speed: a 4 Al outer cogset, a 3 Scandium middle cogset and a 2 Ti inner cogset. When the larger Al cogs wearout you can just replace that portion of the cogset and not the entire cogset. Cool!"
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Post by Onie on Dec 27, 2007 9:09:38 GMT 8
JC, I did remember you vouched for its non race-day uberlight features, right? Unlike IRD's claim: recommended alloy cassettes only for racing, when you absolutely need the grams shaved. OK then anyone up for grabs for an IRD UltraLight MTB Alloy Cassette, c.a. 145-153grams. Bought last summer of '07, new as in never installed since I haven't started with my chopsuey wheelset project. Half the price[/i][/url]. ;D Edit: King, thanks for posting the link. I was surprised just to learn this (directly lifted from it): When the larger Al cogs wearout you can just replace that portion of the cogset and not the entire cogset. Cool! «--Second that!
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Post by Jan Atienza on Dec 27, 2007 21:49:34 GMT 8
Sorry, just got home. Tour guide and driver duties for a month starting today. BrusKO, yes that will be covered by the warranty as long as you install new chains upon purchase of the cassette. I will have to insist on this even if you don't buy KMC...as long as the chains are new. A simple receipt evidencing compliance/exception will be provided. @king, thanks for the additional post and insight. these cogs were rolled out Q3 but I only brought them in after Spain and the UK gave their explicit positive reviews. You might be interested with the road cassettes that are waay lighter (pero next year na). Onie, Yep. For racing and everyday use.
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Post by skarhed on Dec 30, 2007 13:15:46 GMT 8
I've played around with these at the shop, freakingly light!!!! Manufacturing is top notch, it's worth the moolah if you ask me, one consideration is the "everyday use" factor. Race weight for everyday use? Sweeeeeet!
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Post by levi on Dec 30, 2007 14:14:09 GMT 8
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Post by xfire on Dec 30, 2007 16:49:10 GMT 8
Wow!!! Bling bling.
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Post by yukon on Dec 30, 2007 21:19:56 GMT 8
nice one levi...looks neat!!!
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Post by g.b.b on Dec 30, 2007 21:38:27 GMT 8
it's light...... as in ilaw..... ;D nakakasilaw
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Post by Ben Dover on Dec 30, 2007 23:21:39 GMT 8
dang! what the hell are they gonna think of next?!
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Post by g.b.b on Jan 2, 2008 2:50:10 GMT 8
i hope they have a frame made of Titanium, Scandium and Aluminum all together...... at 1000grams if possible
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Post by king on Jan 2, 2008 8:53:33 GMT 8
naah those are way too rich for my blood. i'll take the 100g weight penalty of the tried and true shimano cassettes Sorry, just got home. Tour guide and driver duties for a month starting today. BrusKO, yes that will be covered by the warranty as long as you install new chains upon purchase of the cassette. I will have to insist on this even if you don't buy KMC...as long as the chains are new. A simple receipt evidencing compliance/exception will be provided. @king, thanks for the additional post and insight. these cogs were rolled out Q3 but I only brought them in after Spain and the UK gave their explicit positive reviews. You might be interested with the road cassettes that are waay lighter (pero next year na). Onie, Yep. For racing and everyday use.
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Post by Onie on Jan 4, 2008 20:56:45 GMT 8
Just a comparison of weights from the table atop.¹IRD Ultralite MTB Alloy cassette sprockets (cogs) @ 153 grams; 11-32 combo ²KCNC's uber light version of its 'almost' everyday & race day cogs -- 2 Ti + 3 Scandium + 4 Aluminium @ 177 grams; 11-34 Not bad, I'd say esp with its claim that it's more than just a race day thing... but to a certain point, a total letdown as to KCNC's claim of 163'ish grams12-34 CS M-970 @249 grams
They're ¹,² just ornaments on my table for now since I haven't started building my light wheelset. Wish I could start by 2Q of this year. The IRD has been collecting dust since summer of last year while the KCNC I've got first dibs (Dec 31 via Meyrick & Japet) from the first wave that my buddy JC brought in Manila. Appreciation as well to Israel for the tabletop scale since mine had died on Christmas day! What luck! LoL! Hmmm... Overall, I'd still be rooting for the ol' good reliable XTR whole season long of riding!!! Hello, friends! How's everyone on this brand spanking New Year? Hope it would bring all of us great joy especially in finding gram-goon bike parts! LoL! Here's hoping June is one of those months that go by all too fast. TGIF! Edit: Garbled at first Da*n Firefox!
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Post by Ben Dover on Jan 4, 2008 23:08:13 GMT 8
onie, why not just install either the ird or kcnc on your "heavy" xtr wheelset and lets see what will happen?
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Post by Onie on Jan 6, 2008 4:16:01 GMT 8
I'd wish you all the luck to those who have already installed it & started using... Don't expect more than 1000-1500km out of the aluminium cassette... Don't worry I know you could buy another set though...
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Post by j0 on Jan 6, 2008 4:18:09 GMT 8
i don't see any wrong with that since if theirs for show only! lol!
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Jan Atienza
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Post by Jan Atienza on Jan 7, 2008 0:22:43 GMT 8
Onie, Your weight misgivings have already been relayed to the principals. KCNC sends its gratitude for helping them improve their customer service. They are now in the process of revising their published weights to include the nominal weight tolerances. Considering that weight is an issue, the 11-32T model is approximately 150 gms vis-a-vis its published weight of 160 gms. You can replace your unused item with this one provided that the packaging is still in its original state. On second thought...'wag na lang. Since you are obviously dissatisfied with your UNUSED product, kindly return the item you purchased in its original state for a full refund. I INSIST. Lifting an opinion from another forum is most welcome, but it could have been copied in its entirety so as to give readers a better handle on things. The one who opined that aluminium CNC disaster outlook actually manufactures and sells his own cassettes from titanium. You can actually use your refund money to buy what he is selling as you've led on in the other forum. I've no beef with that. Just make sure you deliberate and research some more on your next purchase. Ask for a 2 year limited guarantee also. There was no need to scare potential buyers and burn bridges "buddy". It's as simple as sending me a PM to return the item because you changed your mind. It was never an issue. I can rattle off two names who returned their unused items (different product) because they simply changed their minds or switched brands. I returned their money even if I had full rights not to return or forfeit their deposits. Never forget that you were the one who followed up the global release of this product, and that I never sought you out to sell this. Instead, you contacted and bought from my well meaning rep. There is no need to save face by using the cassette, please return the item as soon as possible for the refund. Brand equity damage is irreparable.
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Post by Jan Atienza on Jan 7, 2008 0:26:24 GMT 8
i don't see any wrong with that since if theirs for show only! lol! this is offensive to those who bought their KCNC cassettes.
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Post by Onie on Jan 7, 2008 6:12:00 GMT 8
Onie, Your weight misgivings have already been relayed to the principals. KCNC sends its gratitude for helping them improve their customer service. They are now in the process of revising their published weights to include the nominal weight tolerances. Considering that weight is an issue, the 11-32T model is approximately 150 gms vis-a-vis its published weight of 160 gms. You can replace your unused item with this one provided that the packaging is still in its original state. On second thought...'wag na lang. Since you are obviously dissatisfied with your UNUSED product, kindly return the item you purchased in its original state for a full refund. I INSIST. Lifting an opinion from another forum is most welcome, but it could have been copied in its entirety so as to give readers a better handle on things. The one who opined that aluminium CNC disaster outlook actually manufactures and sells his own cassettes from titanium. You can actually use your refund money to buy what he is selling as you've led on in the other forum. I've no beef with that. Just make sure you deliberate and research some more on your next purchase. Ask for a 2 year limited guarantee also. There was no need to scare potential buyers and burn bridges "buddy". It's as simple as sending me a PM to return the item because you changed your mind. It was never an issue. I can rattle off two names who returned their items (different product) because they simply changed their minds or switched brands. I returned their money even if I had full rights not to return or forfeit their deposits. Never forget that you were the one who followed up the global release of this product, and that I never sought you out to sell this. Instead, you contacted and bought from my well meaning rep. There is no need to save face by using the cassette, please return the item as soon as possible for the refund. Brand equity damage is irreparable. Even before buying the KCNC cassettes, I knew what I'd be faced with from the point of buying these IRD cassettes as exemplified by my very own post: Unlike IRD's claim: recommended alloy cassettes only for racing, when you absolutely need the grams shaved. from IRDs website. Now, if you get to ask me why I'm selling 'em. I've finally found the "happy median" with KCNCs (over IRDs). For me that's the essence of product testing. The only thing I was turned off was the claimed weight. Perhaps, it's KCNC QC be held for. But it's part of the risk I have to accept. Like choosing tires, there's a discrepancy in terms of weight within its own kind. I don't have to go into details here since I believe you know what I'm saying. Yes, being a gram goon has a steep price to pay but it is like virginity: it hurts only once and then all the rest is pure fun. I have no intentions of putting your commerce in jeopardy. I'm only for the fun of product testing here. Besides, KCNC will carry its own name. If this is not enough, I could meet you personally to get things straight as well as to get my O.R. Thank you for the offer but I'm still keeping mine for my project. And we now return to our regular programming.
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Post by randiezbee on Jan 7, 2008 10:43:05 GMT 8
i don't see any wrong with that since if theirs for show only! lol! this is offensive to those who bought their KCNC cassettes. i agree with you Jan.
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Post by Ben Dover on Jan 7, 2008 11:15:35 GMT 8
just couldn't help it...but how accurate are these weighing scales?
at least just before you guys exchange blows coz of differences in "published" and "actual" weights.
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Post by Jan Atienza on Jan 7, 2008 11:31:39 GMT 8
Oniesince you put it that way...you have a point. askew, from left field, and minute but a sensible point nevertheless. Sigue na nga, next time I see you I will kurot your singit. Regular programming please.
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Post by glockbiker on Jan 7, 2008 18:34:27 GMT 8
@king
How do you replace the bigger Al cogs when they wear out?
Are the Al, Scandium and Ti cogs riveted to separate spiders like Shimano Dura-Ace or Ultegra road cassettes?
BTW, technically, the cogs are made up of either one of only TWO alloys- Aluminum alloy or Titanium alloy.
The black cogs made of "Scandium" would most probably be made from Aluminum ALLOYED with Scandium. Al-Sc alloys have found numerous military, aviation and sporting goods applications.
Ti-Sc alloys also exist but I doubt if they were used for the black cogs in this cassette due to cost reasons.
If they had made the four big cogs (red) from Al-Sc alloy, then that would give you an even lighter (but certainly more expensive) cassette!
But still, it's a handsome cassette nevertheless. Bling talaga.
Just my two, weight weenie centavos.
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Post by king on Jan 7, 2008 21:19:21 GMT 8
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Post by enzo on Jan 8, 2008 0:37:28 GMT 8
this is offensive to those who bought their KCNC cassettes. i agree with you Jan. I agree with both of you too Randiezbee and Jan. I have one here with me now which is the subject of Tug of war between Jessiecruz and Kapitan. Both are my close mates and giving it to either will cause considerable hurt. You know, weenie a$$ed guys who cannot sleep upon sight of such items. To save myself from all the guilt remarks from either of them, Im going to personally put this cassette to test the same way I put the Stan's rims and DT 240's. Rider profile is above average trail rider who does everything except jumps of more than two feet. Im no Milo Sagasa kind of rider, but if this will survive me the same way the DT 240's are holding, then we all can be assured of what the company stated, even more. Abangan!!!! BTW, I did 450 kms in six rides during my holiday. ;D ;D
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