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Post by gadgets88 on Apr 10, 2008 12:03:05 GMT 8
Last April 7 Licao mp3 ride was a scorchingly hot uphill climb and cool downhill experience! Question: What tires did you use on that faithful day and what are the pros and cons? I used Maxxis Ignitors both pumped at 50psi. Going over concrete in either direction is fine. not much problem with muddy, wet, rutty ground. My only complaint is in climbing steep sections, the tires tend to slip. It's either I was pedaling too fast when climbing (naks) or maybe the knobs aren't long enough? Of course my buddy Mark (the 23rd guy) was using sleek tires and didn't have any trouble tacking the ride all day! He'd probably won't stop laughing if he reads this... Excuses... excuses... I know... ;D ;D ;D P.S. What tires would I use if I were, say, Mtguitars or Freeman or Wifi? I'm sure it can be done with just about any tires with these goats, but what I'm referring to, the best tires, in the context of being efficient and having most fun. ;D Advice please, trail Jedi Masters!!!
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Post by hyperion on Apr 10, 2008 12:17:30 GMT 8
50 psi is ok for the road but way too much for trails - try 30-35 psi next time especially since you have a weight weenie bike and weight weenie body hehehe. ;D
If your rear wheel is slipping when you are climbing - that means you are way too much forward on the saddle / out of the saddle such that the rear wheel has lost traction. Experiment with your body position until you get your weight evenly distributed on both wheels.
In my first Licao ride, I used SB8 and my front wheel was either lifting up on its own or my rear wheel was slipping much to my dismay. Fortunately a little bit of body adjustment (just a little bit forward, with body crouched low into the bike) and pedaling finesse were all that was needed to uh, climb not only faster - but more efficiently and less tiring.
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Post by plankton_dash on Apr 10, 2008 12:38:30 GMT 8
Nelson brad, I used to ride Licao on Kenda Klaws 1.95's. Now, I'm riding on Kenda Nevegal 2.1's. Trail riding experience improved very much, thank you. I *never* put more than 40psi on my tires while riding on dirt. Exception: pure road cycling. Hans is very correct in pointing out proper body position (i.e., weight distribution) on climbs to prevent rear wheel slipping. See you @ Licao soon!
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Post by leflea on Apr 10, 2008 12:42:31 GMT 8
sir gadget, low tire pressure will help a lot on trails.
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Post by arcireyes on Apr 10, 2008 13:04:34 GMT 8
as i had been observing lately specially on trails such as licao-licao, it seems that a 26x1.95 tires won't serve you well anymore. as for me , i used a front maxxis larsen TT 26x2.0 and rear maxxis dyno-mite 26x2.1 (looks baligtad but actually a larsen TT is more (hi) volumed than a dyno-mite, and dyno-mite has lesser rolling resistance on roads) @around 35-40psi, as i am a "padyak-all-the-way" guy. that set-up seems to have served me well both on roads and trails like licao2. IMHO, granted that proper tire knobs, size and pressure were used, the culprit (and this is not an alibi ha ;D) on why we slipped on those techie uphills is the uphill traffic where we cannot have proper momentum or even if we did have one, once the man in front loses traction and blocks our way, there's no way but to go down nekstaym we do a sikwet ride to licao and you'll know hehehe
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Post by isteb on Apr 10, 2008 13:21:37 GMT 8
agree with flea with hyperion... low pressures will help you glide over the trail... having high tire pressures will just bounce thus therefore wasting precious energy therefore losing grips... low pressure rolls... high pressure bounces... -personally i run around 30-35psi's... 30'ish if it's a muddy ride...
proper positioning will mean a lot too..
btw.. am looking for ignitors... where'd you get them? tubeless? ignitors have great reviews at mtbr than nevegals hehehe plus maxxis' are lighter
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Post by fiona d' princess on Apr 10, 2008 13:33:01 GMT 8
@ sir gadgets ..... i dont know if you notice but a lot of guys do..... im using a semi slick tires ..... TIOGA to be exact..... its designed to be ridden on urban and on flat grounds, freestyling ...... the verdict?..... not so good on trails..... specially when muds sip in to the tyres it has zero traction at all....... at many times i experienced free wheeling when tacking uphills ...... thus drain my energy causing me to make the tulak moves....
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Post by ratbugasmati69 on Apr 10, 2008 13:35:19 GMT 8
IMHO, granted that proper tire knobs, size and pressure were used, the culprit (and this is not an alibi ha ;D) on why we slipped on those techie uphills is the uphill traffic where we cannot have proper momentum or even if we did have one, once the man in front loses traction and blocks our way, there's no way but to go down i agree with sir arci.. proper momentum is also a contributing factor for uphill maneuvers. Used wtb velociraptor 2.1 with 45psi pressure. Didnt had any problems with the trail of licao except for an instance which i remember. A very steep uphill which the rear tire slipped just a little bit maybe cause was not properly distributing my weight ( as per sir hyperion elaborated). Was leaning forward, had a feeling of hesitation that my front end would tend to wheelie if ever i shift my weight behind... Hard to explain, but i think you know what i mean. My wife use continental 2.1 speed king. She said she didnt felt her tires slipped, maybe cause shes always walking uphill ;D! hehehehe JOKE! she might read this forum... Paktay na ang visa!
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Post by angelobryant on Apr 10, 2008 14:21:09 GMT 8
Try Panaracer Fire XC Pro's. For me, nothing beats it for trail riding.. Sobraaang kapit...
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Post by angelobryant on Apr 10, 2008 14:27:43 GMT 8
agree with flea with hyperion... low pressures will help you glide over the trail... having high tire pressures will just bounce thus therefore wasting precious energy therefore losing grips... low pressure rolls... high pressure bounces... -personally i run around 30-35psi's... 30'ish if it's a muddy ride... proper positioning will mean a lot too.. btw.. am looking for ignitors... where'd you get them? tubeless? ignitors have great reviews at mtbr than nevegals hehehe plus maxxis' are lighter just don't go too low. I crashed during the TLBF because my tire pressure was appropriately low but too low to prevent a snake bike during a tight corner. According to one of buddies, he saw me hit a rock the size of a fist. Instant snake bike, instant flat, instant wash out. Good thing I've perfected the proper way of doing a semplang via a good rolling movement. Result, no face plant, only minor scrapes and bruises. ;D
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Post by ghorio on Apr 10, 2008 14:44:08 GMT 8
am using kenda nevegal 2.1 (stick-e). recommended tire pressure is between 40 to 65 psi. during the mp3 ride, my tire pressure was between 45-50psi.
for 100% road ride, i pump it up to 55-60psi.
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Post by minotaur on Apr 10, 2008 14:46:26 GMT 8
gadgets88, There's nothing wrong with your tires... you said it yourself that day, your using the wrong gears climbing. Next time use the granny! Tara ulitin natin. ;D Seriously, I was using the TIOGA factory xc R 26x1.95 both for front and rear. Was looking for the front specific type but had to settle using the same front and rear. For a 1.95 its very beefy I measured it and its actually 2.1 but doesn't matter because it feels light for a knobby tire. The grip is excellent both on mud and loose rock with the exception of the 1st Mohogany run it performed very well in my opinion. But if I had a choice of tire I'd go for WTB Weirwolf. The best tires I've had but sad to say, it very difficult to get your hands on a 2.1 until the the TIOGA will do for now.
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Post by gadgets88 on Apr 10, 2008 15:01:53 GMT 8
50 psi is ok for the road but way too much for trails - try 30-35 psi next time especially since you have a weight weenie bike and weight weenie body hehehe. ;D If your rear wheel is slipping when you are climbing - that means you are way too much forward on the saddle / out of the saddle such that the rear wheel has lost traction. Experiment with your body position until you get your weight evenly distributed on both wheels. In my first Licao ride, I used SB8 and my front wheel was either lifting up on its own or my rear wheel was slipping much to my dismay. Fortunately a little bit of body adjustment (just a little bit forward, with body crouched low into the bike) and pedaling finesse were all that was needed to uh, climb not only faster - but more efficiently and less tiring. 30-35 psi pala?!!! body position?!!! riding finesse?!!! Tito Arci! Minotaur! Guys!!! We have to do this all over again! ;D ;D ;D Wrong tires, wrong size, wrong everything! No wonder I was a little tired when I got home! ;D agree with flea with hyperion... low pressures will help you glide over the trail... having high tire pressures will just bounce thus therefore wasting precious energy therefore losing grips... low pressure rolls... high pressure bounces... -personally i run around 30-35psi's... 30'ish if it's a muddy ride... proper positioning will mean a lot too.. btw.. am looking for ignitors... where'd you get them? tubeless? ignitors have great reviews at mtbr than nevegals hehehe plus maxxis' are lighter The main reason I just love using the ignitors is that it's foldable, changing tubes is so easy and does NOT require tire levers! Also, it's very light! Hmm... reminds me to weigh it for the weight weenie thread. @ sir gadgets ..... i dont know if you notice but a lot of guys do..... im using a semi slick tires ..... TIOGA to be exact..... its designed to be ridden on urban and on flat grounds, freestyling ...... the verdict?..... not so good on trails..... specially when muds sip in to the tyres it has zero traction at all....... at many times i experienced free wheeling when tacking uphills ...... thus drain my energy causing me to make the tulak moves.... I did notice. I thought you were doing intervals, alternating upper body and lower body strength-training! ;D ;D ;D i agree with sir arci.. proper momentum is also a contributing factor for uphill maneuvers. Used wtb velociraptor 2.1 with 45psi pressure. Didnt had any problems with the trail of licao except for an instance which i remember. A very steep uphill which the rear tire slipped just a little bit maybe cause was not properly distributing my weight ( as per sir hyperion elaborated). Was leaning forward, had a feeling of hesitation that my front end would tend to wheelie if ever i shift my weight behind... Hard to explain, but i think you know what i mean. My wife use continental 2.1 speed king. She said she didnt felt her tires slipped, maybe cause shes always walking uphill ;D! hehehehe JOKE! she might read this forum... Paktay na ang visa! The truth is, your wife is very strong in the uphill climbs. The only time she gets off the saddle is either... it's crowded in front... or she's either waiting for you (protective mode)... that's why!
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Post by ghorio on Apr 10, 2008 15:21:26 GMT 8
No wonder I was a little tired when I got home! ;D brad! how monstrous (gadgetous halimawrus) are you! bike all the way from/to binondo! ;D ;D ;D sowi for the OT
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Post by isteb on Apr 10, 2008 15:53:37 GMT 8
gadgets brought all kinds of stuffs kasi.. hehehe may catpao siomai... hehehe gatorade for sale?!?! suntan lotion (per squirt) for sale!!! hehehehe also selling conti vapor there hahaha
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Post by ratbugasmati69 on Apr 11, 2008 0:26:10 GMT 8
The truth is, your wife is very strong in the uphill climbs. The only time she gets off the saddle is either... it's crowded in front... or she's either waiting for you (protective mode)... that's why! Hehehe.. I was just kiddin.. I know that she can handle herself really well on or off road... if fact, whenever we ride together on MTB, shes always ahead of me, not because shes my wife, but because she can manage to ride really faster than me. Sir arci even noticed how she shifts gear and complimented her.
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Post by Ben Dover on Apr 11, 2008 1:09:53 GMT 8
gadgets, were you racing with somebody during the climb? baka napalakas lang yung tadyak mo hehe! tires are not created equal but based on my on personal experience (tried a few good ones), no matter how good your tires are, fact is sometimes they do slip...depende sa lupa, its condition, how steep it is, your gear, your position in the saddle, tire pressure etc etc. try to experiment first with all the suggestions above before contemplating on buying a new set of tires...i've used cheapo semi-slick 1.5 tires on relatively steep dirt climbs like veterans with good results rin naman. combination of low gear with too much power delivery can also cause this. honestly, i think you still have very limited trail experience... so my suggestion is try to spend more time on the trails muna...just my 2 cents.
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Post by Ben Dover on Apr 11, 2008 1:18:02 GMT 8
btw, let me add to your list radical pala...he's one of the best climbers here sa board.. technical wise..peeps can learn from this guy.
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Post by ronaldarca on Apr 11, 2008 4:53:33 GMT 8
was about to reply about weight distribution but hype got to it first there's really nothing wrong with your tires nor psi rating (though 50psi is tad too hard for me) sit on your saddle going up so your rear tire plants more traction... you're always standing up kasi eh now for the question of which tires are for going down... personally id be comfy with fat tires with medium knobs. though ive personally witnessed 43 and UP tambayan peeps running down dirt tracks using slicks! gulp!
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Post by gadgets88 on Apr 11, 2008 11:41:47 GMT 8
gadgets, were you racing with somebody during the climb? baka napalakas lang yung tadyak mo hehe! tires are not created equal but based on my on personal experience (tried a few good ones), no matter how good your tires are, fact is sometimes they do slip...depende sa lupa, its condition, how steep it is, your gear, your position in the saddle, tire pressure etc etc. try to experiment first with all the suggestions above before contemplating on buying a new set of tires...i've used cheapo semi-slick 1.5 tires on relatively steep dirt climbs like veterans with good results rin naman. combination of low gear with too much power delivery can also cause this. honestly, i think you still have very limited trail experience... so my suggestion is try to spend more time on the trails muna...just my 2 cents. I was racing Mr. Ratburr, trying to catch up with Mrs. Ratburr! Don't like being left behind too far, that's why... ;D Nevertheless, the advice I'm getting here is very helpful. At the rate I'm going, one or 2 trail rides per year, achieving riding finesse will take a while... 30 years probably! Keep the advice coming! I'm trying to compensate the lack of trail experience with reading online!!!
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Post by deng on Apr 18, 2008 19:11:01 GMT 8
Try Panaracer Fire XC Pro's. For me, nothing beats it for trail riding.. Sobraaang kapit... i agree!!
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