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Post by garyfisher on Sept 13, 2007 9:24:36 GMT 8
are avid v-brakes good? or are deore's better? i want the deore's but i think it would be a waste if in the future i will just upgrade to disc brakes. avids are definetely much cheaper right? thanks guys for your help!! ;D
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Post by maxbuwaya on Sept 13, 2007 10:05:34 GMT 8
For Me. Shimano When it comes to V Brakes.
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Post by anthrax76 on Sept 13, 2007 10:41:39 GMT 8
i'm not sure on pricing, but for V-brakes...it's the pads that matter....i think, he he he. although after 2 v-brakes, Shimano hasn't let my dad and my sister down. they have Acera and Alivo vees on them. i haven't tried Avid vees though
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Post by kulot_salot on Sept 13, 2007 11:27:11 GMT 8
are avid v-brakes good? or are deore's better? i want the deore's but i think it would be a waste if in the future i will just upgrade to disc brakes. avids are definetely much cheaper right? thanks guys for your help!! ;D then go disc brake already... don't bother getting a rim brake if you know you are going to replace it with a DB soon... if you're going rim brakes, you're gonna consider your hubs & rims.... when you upgrade to DB, then you'll have to replace your hubs (mabuti if you installed na DB specific hubs na) and to a point, your rims... you cannot use a DB-rim as a 'rim-brake rim'... another thing, if you are going from rim-brakes to hydraulic DBs... you have to replace your brake levers too... ok lang if you coming from a hydraulic rim brake... just my lapu-lapu coin...
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Post by anthrax76 on Sept 13, 2007 12:23:42 GMT 8
amen jaymz!!!! he he he he
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Post by garyfisher on Sept 13, 2007 14:40:07 GMT 8
are avid v-brakes good? or are deore's better? i want the deore's but i think it would be a waste if in the future i will just upgrade to disc brakes. avids are definetely much cheaper right? thanks guys for your help!! ;D then go disc brake already... don't bother getting a rim brake if you know you are going to replace it with a DB soon... if you're going rim brakes, you're gonna consider your hubs & rims.... when you upgrade to DB, then you'll have to replace your hubs (mabuti if you installed na DB specific hubs na) and to a point, your rims... you cannot use a DB-rim as a 'rim-brake rim'... another thing, if you are going from rim-brakes to hydraulic DBs... you have to replace your brake levers too... ok lang if you coming from a hydraulic rim brake... just my lapu-lapu coin... think i'll go with the mech DBs. but since i dont have a budget right now to buy all those upgrades in one shot, im planning to buy it one at a time. like, deore or avid v-brakes first (coz im using generics at the moment) then DB hubs - mech DB and rotors and finally the DB rims. and maybe upgrade to 9speed as it progresses. whatcha think???
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Post by anthrax76 on Sept 13, 2007 15:10:32 GMT 8
i went almost the same way you did brad. how much are the v-brakes? my take on this is to just save your upgrade for vees and go straight to db's.
i don't think there's much of a difference with generic v-brakes, other than some are covered with plastic so they'd look bigger.
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Post by glockbiker on Sept 13, 2007 15:55:07 GMT 8
If you'll stick with with V-brakes for a while, why not add a little more to your budget and go for LX V-brakes with the PARALLEL PUSH mechanism? I think they first came out in 1998 and are still around. They're relatively cheap na. Gun metal gray ang color nya.
Parallel push modulates better and frees you from the chore of adjusting the pads regularly to even out the wear.
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Post by garyfisher on Sept 13, 2007 17:21:29 GMT 8
If you'll stick with with V-brakes for a while, why not add a little more to your budget and go for LX V-brakes with the PARALLEL PUSH mechanism? I think they first came out in 1998 and are still around. They're relatively cheap na. Gun metal gray ang color nya. Parallel push modulates better and frees you from the chore of adjusting the pads regularly to even out the wear. that seems to be a good idea. how much do you think those LX cost nowadays?? here, deore vees cost P600+ and avids around P400. havnt seen one of those LX here
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Post by leflea on Sept 13, 2007 18:29:58 GMT 8
huwaw, parallel push technology... xt's and xtr's have them also, dont they? i think i'm going to upgrade my vee's too! but i'm still stuck, can't decide yet if i'm going to get bb7 or just upgrade my generic vee's.
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Post by Lui-G on Sept 13, 2007 18:51:04 GMT 8
If you'll stick with with V-brakes for a while, why not add a little more to your budget and go for LX V-brakes with the PARALLEL PUSH mechanism? I think they first came out in 1998 and are still around. They're relatively cheap na. Gun metal gray ang color nya. Parallel push modulates better and frees you from the chore of adjusting the pads regularly to even out the wear. that seems to be a good idea. how much do you think those LX cost nowadays?? here, deore vees cost P600+ and avids around P400. havnt seen one of those LX here I think LX V-brakes cost around 1.5k+, Avid around 1.8K, and XT around 2K+, not sure though, but these figures may be quite close enough. Check the posting of NVP, he's selling XT V-brakes for only 1.4K. Or if you want, I got a pair of XT's which I can sell to you for only 1K . (ok lang bri? mejo shiny eh, looks bling
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Post by garyfisher on Sept 13, 2007 19:50:43 GMT 8
that seems to be a good idea. how much do you think those LX cost nowadays?? here, deore vees cost P600+ and avids around P400. havnt seen one of those LX here I think LX V-brakes cost around 1.5k+, Avid around 1.8K, and XT around 2K+, not sure though, but these figures may be quite close enough. Check the posting of NVP, he's selling XT V-brakes for only 1.4K. Or if you want, I got a pair of XT's which I can sell to you for only 1K . (ok lang bri? mejo shiny eh, looks bling now thats an irresistible offer!! but the problem now is that I'm currently here in Cebu u probably know how hard it is to transact business like this. thanks for the offer though if only..
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Post by brothermoe on Sept 27, 2007 0:16:42 GMT 8
huwaw, parallel push technology... xt's and xtr's have them also, dont they? i think i'm going to upgrade my vee's too! but i'm still stuck, can't decide yet if i'm going to get bb7 or just upgrade my generic vee's. Go for the bb7s brad. I'm 200+ lbs and I have absolutely no complaints about the stopping power it provides. If you want them cheap (and if you don't mind used parts), you can get a set from the components section for as low as 3.5k. Satisfaction guaranteed! ;D
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Post by king on Sept 27, 2007 6:34:56 GMT 8
yup, i'd go for 2nd hand XT v-brakes as well rather then a low end disc brake, especially if you're on a budget. with discs you'll also have to spend for other things (new cables at least, and maybe hubs if they're not already disc compatible.) shimano parallel-push brakes (older LX, XT & XTR) are nearly equal to avid bb7. i've used LX & still use XT. P1.4k for nvp's are a very good price. P1k is even better if you guys trust each other you can deposit the amount to his bank and then send the brakes via air 21 or another courier service. it will cost less then P100. that seems to be a good idea. how much do you think those LX cost nowadays?? here, deore vees cost P600+ and avids around P400. havnt seen one of those LX here I think LX V-brakes cost around 1.5k+, Avid around 1.8K, and XT around 2K+, not sure though, but these figures may be quite close enough. Check the posting of NVP, he's selling XT V-brakes for only 1.4K. Or if you want, I got a pair of XT's which I can sell to you for only 1K . (ok lang bri? mejo shiny eh, looks bling
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Post by flipnidaho on Sept 27, 2007 19:56:45 GMT 8
parallel push on V's are overrated. I did a side by side comparison between XT, XTR and Deore V's. The Deore V's were only a few grams heavier than the XTR and had equal power at about 1/4 the price of XTR's. Also, the bushings on the parallel push will develop play after a couple of seasons (less if you ride in wet conditions) and you'll get the dreaded Shimano V howl. Note that the 08 XT's no longer use parallel push.
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Post by king on Sept 27, 2007 21:07:48 GMT 8
dude you're dejustifying my upgrades haha. that's probably true though. the only real advantage may be that you get even pad wear with parallel push brakes.
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Post by flipnidaho on Sept 27, 2007 21:31:27 GMT 8
dude you're dejustifying my upgrades haha. that's probably true though. the only real advantage may be that you get even pad wear with parallel push brakes. hehe... sorry brad... another advantage is that if you replace your pads, you won't have to adjust the angle to the rim again.
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Post by leflea on Sept 27, 2007 21:50:39 GMT 8
that's a nice one... "v-howl" one reason why i want to upgrade to disc. get's too much embarrassing attention.
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Post by king on Sept 28, 2007 5:14:47 GMT 8
ooh discs can be really noisy as well...
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Post by Daimler on Sept 28, 2007 8:31:51 GMT 8
ooh discs can be really noisy as well... it depends on how you maintain your rig's DB... i have a BB5 installed since june 2007 and i haven't had any noise problem about it... not a single one.
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Post by leflea on Sept 29, 2007 0:10:00 GMT 8
i guess with vee's you can't avoid howling... i just don't know about discs...
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Post by fireball34 on May 12, 2008 22:18:09 GMT 8
I just want to know? what is better flat pedal or sleak pedal.
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Post by Alphabolt on May 12, 2008 22:42:33 GMT 8
I just want to know? what is better flat pedal or sleak pedal. This is Off Topic there is already a thread about this I ll find it and link you next time pls use the search button located at the top left part of the screen
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Post by evilbiker on Jun 6, 2008 21:22:19 GMT 8
I am also in search of a cheap set of v's since I'm starting to rebuild by oldskul bike. I saw a set of avid v-brakes for around P400. and I'll probably get those by tomorrow. I will let you know if they are any good.
I wanted to get a set of shimano v-brakes but my wallet doesn't want to ;D
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Post by knobbyist on Jun 6, 2008 21:53:40 GMT 8
I wanted to get a set of shimano v-brakes but my wallet doesn't want to ;D hey that always happen to me too. hehehe! on topic:i used shimano vees before going discbrakes when i was starting out. it wasn't even deore, just the non-series and it was pretty good. stopped my butt from slamming to a truck once. ;D incidentally one of my riding buddies used avid vees before going discs and it wasn't as reliable in terms of stopping power. if anyone's in the same dilemma still? i'd say go for the deore. i bet the price difference isn't that much anyways and you can rest assure that you'll stop when you need to.
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Post by lloyd on Jun 7, 2008 0:57:04 GMT 8
Currently, I'm using Avid SD7 V brakes (w/ rim wrangler 2 pads) and paired it w/ Avid SD7 brake levers and Jagwire teflon brake cables and housing in my MTB hybrid. All I can say that its stopping power is superb. I'm very satisfied w/ its performance. I had tried the Avid SD3's before and its at par w/ Shimano Alivio Vees (my personal judgment though). This is my 3rd set of Avid Vees. My first set is the Avid Arch Rival Supreme... its installed on my brad's all rigid rig. Another good performing product from Avid (Sram). Avid SD7 V-brake garnered the best V brake rating in MTBR. Pls. check this link... www.mtbr.com/cat/brakes/Brake_System/PLS_108crx.aspxNow to answer the question above, it all depends on what Avid V-brake model you'll compare to Shimano Deore Vees . By the way, be careful. There are Avid replicas lying around... you might stumble on these products. Again, be careful in your purchase . Ride Hard and Ride Safe...
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Post by dirtyjane on Jun 7, 2008 2:01:51 GMT 8
whoa! avid arch rival, shimano xt or xtr. . . any of this will do! they all perform well. in terms of stopping power i think they are all the same, as of recent i have been using shimano non series vbrakes and they perform well. pad type, cables and levers sometimes play a difference. it really depends on the rider preference... hey! hans rey uses a xtr vbrake paired with deore levers on his trials bike.
some tips to improve performance of your vbrake: - use a brake booster to eliminate frame flex - to stop brake squeal, use a business card when aligning the brake pads. got this tip in an old mtnbike mag circa 90's - use compressionless brake housing -use special pads like the ones by cool stop if they still make those but the shimano all weather pads will do
but if you want a really powerful rim brake. try the magura hydraulic rim brakes. i have been told that they can crush rims. if you can afford this then might as well buy a disc brake from shimano, it costs less, easier to align and it does not catch mud. ;D
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Post by lloyd on Jun 7, 2008 11:18:54 GMT 8
Yup, dirtyjane is correct. If you want powerful Vees, there's the Magura HS series... these are usually used on Trial bikes. One important point to remember..."Don't forget to give importance on the cable, housing and brake levers if you're goin' into V brakes as well as mechanical disc brakes". V brakes vs. Disc brakes will boil down to the riders preference as well and the budget of course . Ride Hard and Ride Safe...
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Post by mountguitars on Jun 7, 2008 16:34:58 GMT 8
are avid v-brakes good? or are deore's better? i want the deore's but i think it would be a waste if in the future i will just upgrade to disc brakes. avids are definetely much cheaper right? thanks guys for your help!! ;D well, if it wasnt for the bad weather, mud, rain and whatever nature throws at us that makes v-brakes not so good, i wouldn't switch to disk brakes. if you're contemplating on using disk brakes in the first place, go ahead and do so. coz if you ride as often in any condition, i know you'll end up using disk brakes. i know coz i love using v-brakes before and just happen to switch to disk brakes becoz them v-brakes ate through my rims during one wet ride. any v-brake will do. but if you want the best, hydraulic rim brake systems are the best.
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