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Post by mauitaylor on Jun 14, 2007 20:46:55 GMT 8
babykyla, nice one heheh
inoy, the shock that is installed is the default shock when i bought it...
raimun, did you bought it at paulina's?
just want to comment on the frame again, i tried my bike to the extent... well not really that extent, i tried it on the DH/FR trails on marat... and guess what, the frame really shine! i mean for a newbie like me, handling a newbie DH course at marat, what more could i ask for? my bike is a FR/4X setup, my fork, 07 drop off (came from haro x7) made every run a smooth one... i think, IMHO, the rear shock should be broken in to be very responsive, as always, don't expect too much from the frame, although a lot of riders ive been with in marat were fooled thinking it was a real superlight heheheh
again, i used the frame on newbie DH parts in marat, not the technical steep ones, i would recommend it on mild DH/FR, on 4X, not really because the frame is heavy...
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Post by raimun on Jun 15, 2007 23:10:58 GMT 8
mauitaylor,
nope, i bought it at king's. hehehe... the stock shock is still with me and never been used. siguro i'll use it after i damage my present shocks. for now, mine's setup for xc with a manitou sliver 100 fork. But for the next few months i'll try to save money to have it setup for dh/fr.
For now, the bikes totally disassembled because i'll be bringing it to tacloban, leyte tomorrow. I'll try some trails there 'til next month. I'll post some pictures and my comments on the frame when i get back.
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Post by mauitaylor on Jun 17, 2007 12:29:39 GMT 8
thanks raimun, thought ur selling it? saw ur ad... anyways, just yesterday i tried the frame at licao licao, rode with the pros hehehe had a small fun ride... its my first time to try the track... surprisingly, the frame was responsive even with the short travel... met some of the PinoyMTBiker dh peeps hehehe nice one guys!
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Post by raimun on Jun 19, 2007 23:53:59 GMT 8
well, i thought of selling it before leaving for tacloban to cover some expenses... hehehe... i'm glad no one asked for it because i'm not gonna sell it na.
i agree with you. it is responsive. i have tried it here also. did some urban drops with it, some highway paved and fire roads, went up stairs at mcarthur park, went downstairs, and did some seaside trailing.... the people here thought i was crazy hehehe... a couple of chinoy guys asked me where i got my frame and how much was it... i said i bought it in manila. it's an imitation and got it for only 5K. They were shocked but said it was a "sexy" frame... hahaha...
I saw the paint job from km sixteen. I'm thinking of repainting it... like dark purple with lightning from headtube down to the back or like a forest camo theme. That'll be nice. I'll try to contact sir raven when i get back.
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Post by mauitaylor on Jun 22, 2007 16:38:50 GMT 8
moral of the story is that performance does not rely on the bike, it's on rider!
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Post by ztnom13 on Jun 24, 2007 21:20:10 GMT 8
ei guyz do you know what brand, model, price and where to find that black frame that Kulot_salot posted?
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Post by babykyla on Jun 25, 2007 10:45:30 GMT 8
guys, i take back all the good things i said about this imitation frame...the tube connecting the swing arm to the pivot completely broke off! luckily the swing arm did not split in two while we were on the trail! we were riding hard down mt. makiling and did some drops afterwards.. at first i just felt some wiggling in the rear with my chain wanting to shift on its own...checked the rear end when i got home and found the crack/damage.
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Post by babykyla on Jun 25, 2007 10:50:58 GMT 8
additional: my cheap old HT (K2 bayside) frame also experienced the same punishment (maybe more) and survived (even sold it for a good price)...and the tubes used on the rear end of my HT were even smaller than this imitation frame!!! (guys, censya na..i feel really bad!)
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Post by kulot_salot on Jun 25, 2007 10:57:57 GMT 8
ei guyz do you know what brand, model, price and where to find that black frame that Kulot_salot posted? did i? no. i didnt. it's marvs.... & i didnt even try to touch it.... hehehehe.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by leo on Jun 25, 2007 11:49:33 GMT 8
guys, i take back all the good things i said about this imitation frame...the tube connecting the swing arm to the pivot completely broke off! luckily the swing arm did not split in two while we were on the trail! we were riding hard down mt. makiling and did some drops afterwards.. at first i just felt some wiggling in the rear with my chain wanting to shift on its own...checked the rear end when i got home and found the crack/damage. Did this frame fail because of your modifications , or is it a case of crappy materials?
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Post by babykyla on Jun 25, 2007 17:34:53 GMT 8
crappy materials...the modifications had nothing to do with it...
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Post by kulot_salot on Jun 26, 2007 8:50:42 GMT 8
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Post by mauitaylor on Jun 26, 2007 13:13:53 GMT 8
well the frame isnt really intended for extreme use... i suggest it to be xc or all around trail bike...
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Post by arcireyes on Jun 26, 2007 14:12:47 GMT 8
i have been following this thread for quite sometime and i'd like to shoot a question to sir babykyla: 1. you bought the frame on your own volition right? 2. when you bought the frame, were you aware of it's limitations (i.e. for what it should be used only, XC, AM or DH)? 3. the way i read your posts, it seems that the frame had its good amount of DH punishment, was the frame intended to take DH punishment? well........... certain contraptions original or imitations can only take so much IMHO anyways thanks for the "guinea pig" review though, this will be a big help for those planning to buy the "sinuperlight" SC
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Post by warlock^_^ on Jun 26, 2007 14:28:43 GMT 8
reading this.... made me doubt if its the material. used the frame in 2 downhill runs in tagaytay last saturday...1st run was at B10 and the 2nd was behind the Palace in the Sky, going down through brgy Mabato...crashed 3 times (at B10 only)...the frame looked like it was scratched by wolverine, handlebar and stem were a bit misaligned but the frame held up ok...wheels are still aligned. only had a problem with the modified swing arm pivot: the shaft was a bit loose and i could hear a squeeking sound when pedalling...and it affected my balance also since it translated to a wiggle (side to side) in the rear...i am now redesigning the pivot... in summary, it's a good frame...but you really need to do a good job on the swing arm pivot modification, otherwise the frame will be unstable because of the swing arm wiggle...
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Post by leo on Jun 26, 2007 15:11:35 GMT 8
well the frame isnt really intended for extreme use... i suggest it to be xc or all around trail bike... Did'nt you say a few posts earlier that it was for mild DH or it was too heavy for XC ? What category would this frame fall in ? more importantly for the benefit of the group ,is it worth buying or not ?
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Post by warlock^_^ on Jun 26, 2007 15:37:12 GMT 8
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Post by Storm DC on Jun 26, 2007 15:41:40 GMT 8
The reason why "original" frames, especially FS frames are expensive is because of the amount of time and money spent on R & D.
You buy a fake rig, you get a fake performance. No matter how much bling you put in it.
CAVEAT EMPTOR... Need I say more?
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Post by maxbuwaya on Jun 26, 2007 16:32:18 GMT 8
The reason why "original" frames, especially FS frames are expensive is because of the amount of time and money spent on R & D. You buy a fake rig, you get a fake performance. No matter how much bling you put in it. CAVEAT EMPTOR... Need I say more? Nyahhh I think most of it goes to Advertising. Website. Image Models You know? all that @#$% that wont give us any real Benfits. And thats the reason why pictures of Riders in the magazine have the perfect body. hehehehehe Serioulshly A lot of Taiwan/China brands out there that can compete with American brand and has half the price.
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Post by Storm DC on Jun 26, 2007 16:45:12 GMT 8
The reason why "original" frames, especially FS frames are expensive is because of the amount of time and money spent on R & D. You buy a fake rig, you get a fake performance. No matter how much bling you put in it. CAVEAT EMPTOR... Need I say more? Nyahhh I think most of it goes to Advertising. Website. Image Models You know? all that @#$% that wont give us any real Benfits. And thats the reason why pictures of Riders in the magazine have the perfect body. hehehehehe Serioulshly A lot of Taiwan/China brands out there that can compete with American brand and has half the price. I agree with you Sir Max and we bite it, hook, line and sinker. Maybe the reason why most of us would rather have a bike with a brand name even if its just an imitation over a good quality no-namer.
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Post by mauitaylor on Jun 26, 2007 18:43:33 GMT 8
leo, well, based on the posts of babykyla, the b10 is not for newbie rides and i would really suggest having a DH specific bike... i just tested the bike in marat and licao dh trails and did not have any problems, although, i would not recommend it for repeated DH use because its not for DH use and considering its not an original santa cruz... now if i would recommend people to buy it? i stated in the early posts that if you well know the restrictions and consequences on buying this frame... if you're on a budget, start small, if you have the money, go for the best, invest... and like MBA mag guru R.C. would say, buy accordingly especially if you're doing DH... just my two cents worth...
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Post by leo on Jun 27, 2007 6:50:28 GMT 8
Hmm I doubt that MBA guru RC would consider an imitation with questionable design or materials as an affordable alternative .
Although in fairness the only people who can judge that frame would be the owners of which . I hope you get your two cents worth out of it , and that it doesnt break while riding .
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Post by maxbuwaya on Jun 27, 2007 9:41:15 GMT 8
Hmm I doubt that MBA guru RC would consider an imitation with questionable design or materials as an affordable alternative . . Because Fake stuff does not advertise. And RC and the gang needs Advertising to fuel their cluttered magazine. Bikemag rules!
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Post by mauitaylor on Jun 27, 2007 9:46:42 GMT 8
what i mean about RC is he said to buy acoordingly, what does that mean? it means that if you do extreme stuff like DH or DJ etc... buy accordingly to your purpose, it does not mean buying a fake frame, it simply means buy equipments or parts according to your use... i hope you understand what i mean, you get what you pay for, buy a fake frame, dont expect too much from it obviously, buy a 100k php plus intense frame, you can do whatever DH trail out there.. very simple right?
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Post by oceanrider88 on Jul 16, 2007 1:22:36 GMT 8
I've read other posts in PinoyMTBiker about Titus rigs cracking under pressure. I guess all bike frames break at some point , original or not. This frame has to be ridden for its purpose - I think that would be XC or AM (at the most extreme) riding. You know, people on a budget should really be given more options and considerations - in this case, this is the cheapest FS available. Just ride it on trails it was designed for. DH or FR just seems too intense for this frame.
Also, what is the use of buying a frame that will last 20 years? Knowing all of you bikers out there who are susceptible to upgradititis, you may want to take advantage of the newest technology or newest FS design when it comes out. Advancements in manufacturing technology will bring costs down in the future. If this frame will last 2 years (P2.5k loss per year), then i think its a better deal than a P100K frame that will have the same boring look, suspension design and weight that you may only use for 5 - 10 years (P10K loss per year for 5 years) and resell for half the price after. Just think about this, if you rent a bike from Sabak for P1K for 1 day (5 days of biking lang un - i bet the santa cruz would last more than 5 XC trails) - using this frame on 50 trails brings your cost down to P100 per ride. Pwede na un. Technology moves so fast that I feel a disposable frame is a practical choice. Just ride it on trails it was designed for.
Babykyla, thank you for your DH review. I think riders who are considering this rig for DH would think twice about buying the superlight after your experience. Hope you get a worthy replacement. I saw a used Da Bomb Cherry Bomb in Rockwell for P15K - it may still be there. That seems like a solid DH frame.
If the superlight will last more than 50 rides, it would still be a good deal IMHO. Not everyone is fortunate to have cash to burn but everyone should experience the ride of an FS rig. Peace:)
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Post by mauitaylor on Jul 16, 2007 11:49:43 GMT 8
hmmm.... one of the most debated topics... to buy or not to buy heheheh :0 oceanrider, very nice insights, that is why, before buying, consider your riding style, purpose and susceptibility to upgradetitis hehehe i recently sold the my frame and upgraded to a 07 haro x6... for guys like me who really loved the frame, just upgrade to a decent rear shock because its the heart of the frame... IMHO.. just my two cents...
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Post by knobbyist on Jul 16, 2007 23:03:55 GMT 8
@oceanrider: yeah i think if you use the product the way its designed for, you shouldn't have any problems. its just common sense. DH riding is treacherous enough on its own. i mean it takes real skills to maneuver at such high speeds, i don't think everyone has got what it takes to do it let alone use an XC frame to do the job. just be sensible, for crying out loud be smart. hey at the end of the day, it's your arse on the line. ride safe bros!
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Post by oceanrider88 on Jul 18, 2007 12:32:38 GMT 8
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Post by angelobryant on Jul 26, 2007 11:56:23 GMT 8
I'm gonna get me one of those frames. Thanks for the positive and negative comments.
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Post by Pao on Aug 3, 2007 20:23:41 GMT 8
This is my first serious bike (well at least now because I've been riding BMX all my elementary and Highschool days. No stunts tho. hehe!). I was really on a tight budget (around 20k) and I happened to be passing by Los Banos to look for parts because I was really itching on assembling a bike (imagine waking up early in the morning around 5 am, surf the net for reviews about parts, etc. going to work, again, surfing the net... sorry boss... hehe!). Until finally, I saw her... I was stunned... (OA pero if your on a tight budget, i this this is a good catch). d@mn, enough of this... sorry guys! ;D Well here she is... For the review: I had her for at least 1 week now and rode it every single day (adik). I did some urban, offroad, down the stairs (about 20 steps), uphills and a little bit of mini DH. I haven't really tried hardcore DH since its my first time to acquire this kind of bike. I'm happy to say that she's still intact, ready for the next ride. I plan to test it in extreme conditions just to see it she'll make it. will keep you posted! ;D
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