jedi
Free Rider
Let It Ride...
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Post by jedi on Mar 2, 2006 14:02:36 GMT 8
if you win the lotto or get your bonus then go for it! ;D if i had the money i would get another bike which is a FS. i use a HT. i don't do jumps too or crazy DH, XC only... and HT is quite doin the job for my kind of ride. peace!
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Post by rocky on Mar 2, 2006 14:35:49 GMT 8
get a hardtail and get a FS bike.....that should solve our problem. ;D Agree. I ride Trek high performance hardtail with Thudbuster one day. I ride Trek Fuel full suspension next day. Alternating on each...so on and forth. I get best of both worlds.
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Post by anji on Mar 3, 2006 20:16:54 GMT 8
for HT users who want a glimpse of full suspension get a canecreek thudbuster ...
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golp
Bike Commuter
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Post by golp on Mar 7, 2006 8:41:10 GMT 8
try steel sa hardtail.
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Post by wcoastbo on Mar 7, 2006 9:23:05 GMT 8
I've had a similar experience as fungus. Went from road bike to KHS HT to GT LTS-1 to Ells Truth, now my primary bike is HT SS and am contemplating a rigid SS next.
It's all part of the my mtb evolution. Each bike was good in it's own manner and serves a purpose. none of them are obsolete and I still use them (except for the geared KHS).
My local rides are not that technical or rocky so a HT is fine. My trip to Moab & Gooseberry included very long rides and extremely rocky trails so the Ellsworth was used. For technical rocky climbs I find a FS bike to have better traction. For long fireroad climbs the hardtail is faster. For blasting downhill, nothing can beat the FS for the fun factor.
If you're only able to have one bike then it better be of excellent quality, could be either HT of FS depending on your budget. Just my experience.
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Post by dayuhan on Mar 7, 2006 10:29:21 GMT 8
If money is an isue - and it always is - here's a program that works, and keeps you from the major hit of buying a good FS frame (no point in buying a less-than-good one) and having to dress it up with components at the same level.
First, buy a good HT frame. Build it out with relatively low-priced but still decent components (Alivio, Mavic 223, Suntour or 2nd hand Manitou, etc.). Ridable bike without breaking the bank. Ride it a lot.
Upgrade the components piece by piece, whenever you see good deals. Save the components you took off.
When all the components are upgraded, shop around for a good deal on a FS frame. Move all the upgraded components over to the FS frame.
Put all the old components back on the HT frame.
Gradually upgrade the HT, selling off your old components to newbies.
When you're done, you've got a cool FS bike and a cool HT bike. Of course you also have no money, no spouse/significant other, etc... but with 2 good bikes, who cares?
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Post by jr on Mar 7, 2006 10:39:23 GMT 8
When you're done, you've got a cool FS bike and a cool HT bike. Of course you also have no money, no spouse/significant other, etc... but with 2 good bikes, who cares? Dayuhan ..good one ;D ;D.
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Post by fullspeed on Mar 7, 2006 10:50:11 GMT 8
If money is an isue - and it always is - here's a program that works, and keeps you from the major hit of buying a good FS frame (no point in buying a less-than-good one) and having to dress it up with components at the same level. First, buy a good HT frame. Build it out with relatively low-priced but still decent components (Alivio, Mavic 223, Suntour or 2nd hand Manitou, etc.). Ridable bike without breaking the bank. Ride it a lot. Upgrade the components piece by piece, whenever you see good deals. Save the components you took off. When all the components are upgraded, shop around for a good deal on a FS frame. Move all the upgraded components over to the FS frame. Put all the old components back on the HT frame. Gradually upgrade the HT, selling off your old components to newbies. When you're done, you've got a cool FS bike and a cool HT bike. Of course you also have no money, no spouse/significant other, etc... but with 2 good bikes, who cares? If we can only prove to our significant others that cycling makes us better lovers by improving our stamina, endurance and sex appeal, then we can have everything we want ;D On topic - I am actually considering going back to ht/softtail from an all-mountain FS bike. I think it suits my regular rides more (maarat and sta rosa) and I dont do DH or even descend fast on technical portions. Most of the time I spend are in climbing (thats because I am slooow) so weight and climbing efficiency are my two main reasons
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Post by rob on Mar 7, 2006 11:25:49 GMT 8
When you're done, you've got a cool FS bike and a cool HT bike. Of course you also have no money, no spouse/significant other, etc... but with 2 good bikes, who cares? Dayuhan ..good one ;D ;D. Bwahahaha.. you rock dayuhan!
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Post by rocky on Mar 7, 2006 12:39:54 GMT 8
Dayuhan ..good one ;D ;D. Bwahahaha.. you rock dayuhan! Goody. Goody. Love it. Exactly how I've done it... how I am rationalizing it. Cool!
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MASTERneilsvhongqui
All-Mountain Rider
the funny thing is that my bike actually looks something like this.
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Post by MASTERneilsvhongqui on Mar 8, 2006 20:27:27 GMT 8
well, question... what do full suspensions and tampons have in common???
answer every pussy needs one!!!
ahahaha! joke. fs bikes are just easier to ride than ht's.
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Post by xctofi on Aug 28, 2006 8:13:23 GMT 8
ill try to compare it on an XC point of view,in less than 2 weeks i've tried switching back and forth from a HT to a FS and finally(?) back to a HT.
very recently i acquired a 2nd hand FS frame,a Giant NRS,took off the parts from my HT and transferred it over.the added weight was a bit overwhelming at first, (my wheelsets being the major culprit,though very dependable,its just a bit on the heavy side)
the rear suspension support was amazing,it really pedals almost like a HT on uphills with occasional bobs.and depending on how you set the rear shocks,it really is enjoyable on the DH turn.
the thing is,if you ride pure XC,and want to go on a FS,you need to pull down the weight, it should be below 28 pounds otherwise the benefits will not be felt at all.(case to case basis i guess esp for stronger riders)the additional weight will defeat the purpose.
the weight will become an added baggage specially on the climbs.
they say a HT is the best for climbing but not so much on DH. FS is best on DH but not really on climbing.
and i agree to this,i was able to use the NRS and climb two of my usual training grounds (maarat and AFP) on a HT i can complete the climb better and on a faster pace w/out using the granny gear,on the FS,granny gear paced.
i know,its the first few times and im still on the "getting used to it" phase.but definitely a HT beats the FS hands down on climbing and depending on the riders skills,on the DH too
im afraid weight is one of the biggest factor when considering to switch over from a HT to a FS.the more weight on a FS,the less benefit your gonna get.
a hardtail frame is still the most versatile,less maintenance,and can be lightened easily.cheaper too
im back to a HT and im very happy.ill lighten my wheelsets and see where it goes.
i envy those who has the best of both worlds.it really is nice to have a HT and FS bikes
imagine training with the HT and using the FS on the "rides".
once im finished with the HT,ill save up for a FS.give me another decade.hahahaha
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Post by Dragunov on Aug 28, 2006 8:30:22 GMT 8
for me its fs from now on coz i've been having back problems on my ht, my fs rig is on the heavy side(estimated 46lbs) , but i really enjoy the caddilac ride hehe, it really doubles ur pedalling effort uphill but rewards you on the downhill stretch, wheeeeeee!!!!!!
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Post by joes on Aug 28, 2006 8:43:58 GMT 8
going HT or FS depends on what type of riding you want to do.
the bucks don't matter if the skills don't match. i too thought about going FS on my project bike but opted to go HT. if you haven't mastered your HT well, chances are you're going to have a hard time adjusting on the FS.
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Post by uphiller on Aug 28, 2006 10:30:35 GMT 8
for HT users who want a glimpse of full suspension get a canecreek thudbuster ... How much is this ?
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Post by king on Aug 28, 2006 12:32:09 GMT 8
unless your a downhiller a hardtail is fine. you'll spend less and it will last longer. i'm not sure what the average "life" full suspension bikes have but people seem to be replacing them more often then hardtails (nothing wrong with that if you have the money to spend). just remember that if you go for full suspension you'll have higher maintenance costs for bushing or bearings or shock replacement.
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Post by rocky on Aug 28, 2006 13:29:54 GMT 8
for HT users who want a glimpse of full suspension get a canecreek thudbuster ... How much is this ? P4800 as of six months ago.
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Post by feline13 on Aug 28, 2006 13:43:55 GMT 8
If money is an isue - and it always is - here's a program that works, and keeps you from the major hit of buying a good FS frame (no point in buying a less-than-good one) and having to dress it up with components at the same level. First, buy a good HT frame. Build it out with relatively low-priced but still decent components (Alivio, Mavic 223, Suntour or 2nd hand Manitou, etc.). Ridable bike without breaking the bank. Ride it a lot. Upgrade the components piece by piece, whenever you see good deals. Save the components you took off. When all the components are upgraded, shop around for a good deal on a FS frame. Move all the upgraded components over to the FS frame. Put all the old components back on the HT frame. Gradually upgrade the HT, selling off your old components to newbies. When you're done, you've got a cool FS bike and a cool HT bike. Of course you also have no money, no spouse/significant other, etc... but with 2 good bikes, who cares? that's exactly how i did it.. and it took me months to build! but really worth it... maintainance is a diffrent story though... that's why my HT is with me and my DH is with my significant other (for maintainance -- besides, his location is much more nearer sa trails than mine..)
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boyet
Free Rider
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Post by boyet on Aug 29, 2006 2:11:31 GMT 8
Precaution only... don't leave your bike HT or FS( whatever) wet after rainy ride or after washing. Water will zip thru bushing,bearings,cogs,BB,headset. even if you put a lot of oil or grease on it. it will stock there and oxidize(rust) and you later know that already damaged yours ''precious'' parts. Remember water is heavy than oil. A little advice..... just lay down your bike to the floor (not against the wall) all night after washing or wet ride. Then you can save a lot pesos in your pocket.
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Post by dennism on Sept 1, 2006 2:53:54 GMT 8
An aging body is grateful to an FS rig. If you're still young, supple, and nimble, get an HT. Your body won't mind the difference.
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gosho
Newbie
Risk is my business
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Post by gosho on Sept 7, 2006 13:26:54 GMT 8
You can save a lot of dough if you will upgrade the rider first before the bike
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Post by alfalfameister on Oct 12, 2006 16:51:57 GMT 8
How much is this ? P4800 as of six months ago. And where can you get this? (They didn't have at All Terra -- so I just bought the cushiest looking biking shorts, haha!)
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Post by bernie on Oct 16, 2006 13:19:09 GMT 8
Now in EU Hardtail is now the craze.
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Post by Blister T on Oct 16, 2006 15:16:46 GMT 8
Now in EU Hardtail is now the craze. craze for what?? i dont get it... if its the likes of steve peat and cedric gracia and other top euro pros start to use hardtails for UCI world cup races, then that CAN be considered a craze...
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Post by GALVinChie on Oct 16, 2006 16:06:04 GMT 8
Consider your style. If you're fond of uphill rides, HT's the answer for you. If you're on the opposite end, then an FS is the solution.
How about maintainance? HT's the easiest to maintain. Why? No joints to check on.
How about weight? HT's the winner again. Well......there are some FS who are becoming to be close to the 19,20, 21-pounder realm. But they sure will cost you an arm and leg.
Me? Use to be a HT rider. I gradually crept in the FS trend by buying a CaneCreek TD and used it for about two years. Then a year ago, got myself a simple FS rig, transferred my old parts, and voila, a 25 lbs FS Mtbike. (Maybe a little heavier since I just used the bathroom scale.)
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xfire
All-Mountain Rider
ride on
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Post by xfire on Oct 18, 2006 20:28:00 GMT 8
HT rider here. Building an FS. Will update on my experience. But, reading the above posts, I'm dreading the Maarat climb.
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Post by nhan on Oct 18, 2006 21:00:55 GMT 8
Hardtail first and get used to it.... then eventually build your FS rig for heavy trail rides... this is what i will be doing soon.... maybe not so far future hehe
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Post by radical1962 on Oct 18, 2006 21:53:26 GMT 8
Hardtail first and get used to it.... then eventually build your FS rig for heavy trail rides... this is what i will be doing soon.... maybe not so far future hehe nhan & Xfire I started with a hardtail 4 years ago then switched to FS (an NRS) soon after 5 months of biking because of the comfort that FS gave my 40 year old body (I'm 44 years young now!) and the safety it provides during downhill bomb runs (I almost endoed on my HT when I hit a rock during a downhill run). I have used the NRS for a lot of climbing and long road trips (last one was on our PinoyMTBiker trip to Lake Caliraya). I've actually got myself a burlier Trance a year ago and also use it for climbing and long road trips (I think you were there when we did bugarin). The difference is just 3lbs and about 3km/hr average between the two. But both will bring me anywhere so long as I do my part. The thing I've learned about riding an FS all these years ... wala sa pana, nasa indian!!! The NRS is my XC race bike at 26lbs while my Trance is my XC Trailbike at 29lbs. The FS is definitely 2-3lbs heavier than a HT but I am willing to strengthen myself to carry the extra weight for the comfort and euphoria it affords me during downhill runs. Honestly, I still cannot decide which bike I like more ... I ride both of them as much as I could. For fast and long road trips with sparse trails, I choose the NRS. For single track, downhill runs and explore trail rides, I bring the Trance (the rougher, the better for the Trance). I'm still thinking of getting a HT but most probably a titanium or carbon one to give me some compliance. I still can't stand the "thud" of very stiff aluminum hardtails ... masakit sa likod at sa ...
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Post by arcireyes on Oct 19, 2006 7:46:38 GMT 8
started on an entry-level HT, still using a (more trail-ready) HT after half year of mt. biking. i guess i'll develop the indian first before upgrading the pana (right bobet?) but honestly i am always dreaming of an FS bike and what it's purported XC riding comfort has to offer. once the indian and the pocket is ready, i'll go FS (ano nga ba yun nhan?.......ah okay ANTHEM pala, now i remember)
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Post by pazigrider on Oct 19, 2006 9:03:04 GMT 8
i have 2 HTs and i can swap one for an FS - if anyone's interested ;D ;D ;D
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