Lance
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Post by Lance on May 13, 2008 15:07:08 GMT 8
Any inputs on the two? pros and cons? I'm still choosing what pedals to get for my cross country mtb. Thanks.
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Post by enzo on May 13, 2008 15:29:08 GMT 8
Crank bros for me.
Ease of entry and exit. Mud clearance.
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Lance
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Post by Lance on May 13, 2008 17:23:53 GMT 8
weightwise, frog is lighter but that's almost negligible, couple of grams.
mud clearance, i'm not sure.
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Post by bongjumper on May 14, 2008 9:34:45 GMT 8
crank Brother for me... agree with enzo...tested working well even the cleats is covered with mud...
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Post by glockbiker on May 14, 2008 13:53:31 GMT 8
This is very subjective, but how does the entry/exit in Eggbeaters compare to Shimano pedals?
Eggbeaters do not have any means to vary the tension while Shimano pedals do. For those of you who have tried both, what setting (Lightest? Middle? Stiffest?) of Shimano pedals approximate the tension of Eggbeaters?
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Post by Alphabolt on May 14, 2008 15:29:16 GMT 8
Crank Brothers , brother one of the best pedals IMHO mud clearance feature is very very important in MTBiking as you know..Imagine not being able to unclip due to mud deposits in your non-CB peds or vice versa ( to be unable to clip on due to mud packed peds)
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Post by pazigrider on May 16, 2008 17:18:03 GMT 8
i guess i’ve been badly beaten by the egg beater design of the crank bros (CB) pedals ;D i have to say that coz after retiring my very first clipless CB mallet c pedal, got my self another CB pedal but this time it’s the lower end but lighter CB smartys i’ve got no complains of whatsoever on the very simple “plug n play” type egg beater clipless pedal design. just install it and you’re ready to go – no need for adjustments and yeah – those mud won’t stop you and your CB eggbeaters from pedaling all day long ;D so for me – i'd say that for now, i think I’ll never buy any other pedal other than CB pedals. well next on my list is the CB candy ti (i always prefer my pedal to have some small platform on my XC or AM bike) below is the pic of the '08 CB candy 4 ti - it looks so sweet and yummy for a red candy ;D just don't bother to ask about its price for now ;D ;D go clipless and go for CB egg beater pedals ;D ;D ;D
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Post by king on May 16, 2008 17:22:16 GMT 8
eggbeaters for mtb. i know a lot of people with speedplays on their road bikes, but no one who uses frogs on their mtb. on the other hand, i don't know anyone who uses crank brothers on their road bikes, aside from myself
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Jan Atienza
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Post by Jan Atienza on May 16, 2008 17:48:21 GMT 8
been using frogs on my mtb and road (perfect for road commuting or for those who are using road bikes and do a bit of walking/strolling)
cleat design is for mud shedding, very light on the knees, adjustable float...tension can also be altered but the factory setting is good enough for me.
comes with a greaseport.
CBs have a cheaper variant though...serviceable also in our country.
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Post by Ben Dover on May 16, 2008 18:24:08 GMT 8
am curious...how do you engage and disengage with speedplay frog...is it the same as shimano in that aspect?
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Post by Jan Atienza on May 16, 2008 18:33:24 GMT 8
same as SPDs...but it doesnt lock your knees in a position that is alien to your natural gait (which makes it like CBs na rin)
a bit getting used to in terms of feel (feels like you're not engaged sometimes. I sometimes take a quick look downwards to check)
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Post by king on May 16, 2008 20:40:18 GMT 8
aha jan, now you're the only one!
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Post by Jan Atienza on May 17, 2008 8:05:53 GMT 8
ei King, parang ikaw lang alam ko gumagamit ng CB sa road (you're the only one also)
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Post by king on May 17, 2008 8:54:29 GMT 8
yeah i use candy so i can also use my mtb shoes when i commute. i'm thinking of getting quattros though.
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Post by g.b.b on May 17, 2008 9:23:23 GMT 8
@king when you had an accident in road, what pedals were you using?
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Post by king on May 17, 2008 9:48:40 GMT 8
eggbeaters
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schwinng
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Post by schwinng on May 17, 2008 10:09:08 GMT 8
Eggbeaters for me, the cleats are barely there. Speedplay's on the other hand, aside from the pedals being a bit bulky already, the cleats are also a bit bulky. But my friend has it, and he likes it. I've got the 4ti version on my hardtail and it's like butter. Adding to Enzo da man's reply, mud clearance!
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Post by Ben Dover on May 17, 2008 11:30:32 GMT 8
i pick this up from the speedplay website...pretty amazing claims www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.frogUnsurpassed Versatility Not just a great off-road pedal system, Speedplay Frog pedals are ideal for road riders who prefer a recessed, walkable cleat. Like their amphibious namesake, Frog pedals are equally at home in dry or muddy terrain. Their unique cleats are virtually immune to clogging with mud or dirt, because debris is pushed out whenever you engage the pedal. This simple mechanism also puts an end to those infuriating falls caused by gunked-up pedals that won't release. You get out when you want to, and never when you don't. Of course, you also get all the advantages of Speedplay's other innovative designs: knee-friendly, non-centering free float; lightning-fast entry and exit; and phenomenal light weight. Whether you ride a mountain bike, road bike, tandem or 'cross bike, the Speedplay Frog can do it all. Key features: * Conceived with the goal of bringing mountain bike pedal performance on par with that of road pedals, the Frog is the most versatile pedal you can buy. * Saves weight because the Frog has a single retention mechanism in the cleat instead of two redundant mechanisms located in the pedal like most off-road systems. * Minimalist design does away with confusing adjustments, because engagement security doesn't depend on spring tension. * G3 Frog cleat is stronger, more durable, easier to mount and compatible with two-hole SPD®-style road shoes. * Quickly and easily sheds mud, because debris is pushed out when the cleat engages with the pedal. * Tough resin composite body is highly resistant to impact damage. * Lightning-fast release puts an end to falls caused by pedals that won't disengage. * Phenomenal light weight: o Frog Chrome-Moly pedals per pair - 255g o Frog Stainless pedals per pair - 250g o Frog Titanium pedals per pair -206g o G3 Frog cleats per pair - 50g * Knee-friendly, non-centering free float. * Stainless and titanium spindles won't rust. * Precision needle and cartridge bearings. * Built-in grease port for easy bearing lubrication.
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Post by enzo on May 17, 2008 13:54:27 GMT 8
I know this scenario rarely happen, but it does. Clipping on climbs or when you want to recover, get back on your bike, stepping or pedalling without clipping in while maitaining your balance, the your shoes/cleats can clip in even with the rear part of the cleat first.
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Post by schwinng on May 17, 2008 14:04:01 GMT 8
i pick this up from the speedplay website...pretty amazing claims www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.frogUnsurpassed Versatility Not just a great off-road pedal system, Speedplay Frog pedals are ideal for road riders who prefer a recessed, walkable cleat. Like their amphibious namesake, Frog pedals are equally at home in dry or muddy terrain. Their unique cleats are virtually immune to clogging with mud or dirt, because debris is pushed out whenever you engage the pedal. This simple mechanism also puts an end to those infuriating falls caused by gunked-up pedals that won't release. You get out when you want to, and never when you don't. Of course, you also get all the advantages of Speedplay's other innovative designs: knee-friendly, non-centering free float; lightning-fast entry and exit; and phenomenal light weight. Whether you ride a mountain bike, road bike, tandem or 'cross bike, the Speedplay Frog can do it all. Key features: * Conceived with the goal of bringing mountain bike pedal performance on par with that of road pedals, the Frog is the most versatile pedal you can buy. * Saves weight because the Frog has a single retention mechanism in the cleat instead of two redundant mechanisms located in the pedal like most off-road systems. * Minimalist design does away with confusing adjustments, because engagement security doesn't depend on spring tension. * G3 Frog cleat is stronger, more durable, easier to mount and compatible with two-hole SPD®-style road shoes. * Quickly and easily sheds mud, because debris is pushed out when the cleat engages with the pedal. * Tough resin composite body is highly resistant to impact damage. * Lightning-fast release puts an end to falls caused by pedals that won't disengage. * Phenomenal light weight: o Frog Chrome-Moly pedals per pair - 255g o Frog Stainless pedals per pair - 250g o Frog Titanium pedals per pair -206g o G3 Frog cleats per pair - 50g * Knee-friendly, non-centering free float. * Stainless and titanium spindles won't rust. * Precision needle and cartridge bearings. * Built-in grease port for easy bearing lubrication. So I guess you're voting for the Speedplay ;D. Getting off the topic here, I use their X2 pedal on my road bike and I absolutely love it, especially the float.
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Post by enzo on May 17, 2008 14:26:26 GMT 8
The problem with pedals and cleats is the small space between them. Cleats and soles, pedals and the flatform. You press on with your foot and the mud squeezes its way through the small space between the retention spring, spring shaft and the base of the pedal itself.(yung tinatatapakan) Adding mud everytime you engage. With the CB, the four spring/clamp is like floating and acts as the shaft of the spring itself. Tama ba ako? anggulo! And nothing in the middle. It is too big for mud to accumulate, they will just fall down unless you clip in with a clump of mud the size of your palm. Impossible coz you will be doping the shake your foot thing if you have such mud. Most SPD and sppedplay have the same probelem coz some mud are too thick or with small pebbles the log or get stuck with the cleats, you will have a hard time sliding it through the speedplay. One SPD type cleats that didnt get any good attraction is the Bontrager RE-1. better than the shimano cleats in terms of mud clearance and engagement. But it's a rarirty nowadays. It's a little intimidating using the CB for the 1st time coz theres only two 1 inch piece of metal to step on. Which was improved by the introduction of the mallet and candy SL. Take care though coz the candy SL's bearibngs are very tiny and weak, didnt last me 4 months. Take a BIC pen and press hard on a paper or even on a wood. The mark it will make is the size of the ball bearings inside the candy SL. The Road version of the frog is a different level, if you want float as Schwinng said, this is the one. I have busted, creaking knees and the frog suits me well. But I sold it together with my road bike
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Post by Ben Dover on May 17, 2008 21:33:34 GMT 8
schwinng, no way...i don't believe i should if i haven't tried any of the pedals ...i just find the claims on their site amazing...i would be mad as hell if i bought pair and it fails to deliver...considering how expensive they are.
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