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Post by gadgets88 on Sept 10, 2007 13:12:02 GMT 8
"Stop typing and start pedalling."
Read you loud and clear, Mr. Spock.
Will go bike-apparel-shopping soon.
Btw, do bikers normally do dress rehearsals the night before the ride, or is it just me? ;D
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Post by maxbuwaya on Sept 10, 2007 13:21:02 GMT 8
Yes we are second class
We just had to keep that in my mind. Because if you do that, you will be more defensive in bike commuting. and it means safer rides
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Post by marcs on Sept 10, 2007 13:24:11 GMT 8
uhm, dress rehearsals? If it's a new equipment, yes, to make sure it feels right. Little irritation here or there can really ruin a ride.
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Post by icecold on Sept 10, 2007 18:45:04 GMT 8
What is it about the sport of biking and bike commuting that makes us 2nd class citizens? Perhaps because if you ask an average person how much he thinks a bike costs, they would say an expensive one is around P5K. My sister and parents where shocked when they found out my older brother bought a 10K mtb. They couldn't understand why a bike can cost that much. Suffice to say, I still haven't told them that mine cost around 17K.
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Post by leflea on Sept 10, 2007 20:07:01 GMT 8
to some people, having an expensive mtb is a stupid idea. some close friends ask me how much my bike is worth and wondered why i didn't get a motorcycle instead. they think it's weird but they missed the point. tried to shed light on their naiveness but only a few expressed interest on what it's all about.
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Post by Alphabolt on Sept 10, 2007 20:36:47 GMT 8
to some people, having an expensive mtb is a stupid idea. some close friends ask me how much my bike is worth and wondered why i didn't get a motorcycle instead. they think it's weird but they missed the point. tried to shed light on their naiveness but only a few expressed interest on what it's all about. true true That s why I stopped telling nonbikers how much my bike(s) actually cost BTW they cost P20K each k (press release price)c ;D
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Post by Konan on Sept 10, 2007 21:29:20 GMT 8
to some people, having an expensive mtb is a stupid idea. some close friends ask me how much my bike is worth and wondered why i didn't get a motorcycle instead. they think it's weird but they missed the point. tried to shed light on their naiveness but only a few expressed interest on what it's all about. true true That s why I stopped telling nonbikers how much my bike(s) actually cost BTW they cost P20K each k (press release price)c ;D That is why when they think that im stupid for having these MTB's, I always point out to you Arnel and tell them about your Bikes so that it wont hurt me that much ;D
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Post by knobbyist on Sept 11, 2007 0:05:25 GMT 8
to some people, having an expensive mtb is a stupid idea. some close friends ask me how much my bike is worth and wondered why i didn't get a motorcycle instead. they think it's weird but they missed the point. tried to shed light on their naiveness but only a few expressed interest on what it's all about. i get that a lot too, they just don't get it. me? i would never exchange my bike for a motorcycle (except if its a Harley. hehehe!). a motorcycle will not keep you fit and healthy. ahemm... im certainly not fit but im pretty sure im healthy. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by hance on Sept 11, 2007 6:53:43 GMT 8
Motorists treat us like our rides are cheap. Meanwhile, bikenappers are beginning to learn how much our bikes really cost.
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Post by leflea on Sept 11, 2007 10:16:17 GMT 8
Motorists treat us like our rides are cheap. Meanwhile, bikenappers are beginning to learn how much our bikes really cost. i'm really concerned that some bikers openly divulge the cost of their bikes to strangers. some crook might get the idea of stealing bikes at gun or knife point. we can be at risk to such mischief especially if we ride in remote locations. in this case, it's better to be second class to them than to be victims of crime.
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Post by maxbuwaya on Sept 11, 2007 10:41:02 GMT 8
Motorists treat us like our rides are cheap. Meanwhile, bikenappers are beginning to learn how much our bikes really cost. Thats because 90%* of people who bike commute uses cheap bikes. (I just said 90% so my post would look cool, thing is i dont really have the statistics. ;D)
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Post by gadgets88 on Sept 11, 2007 12:51:22 GMT 8
My wild guess? The statistics could be nearer to 99%, Max.
Here in noodletown (or Divisoria), that is my guestimate count. Bikenappers abound. Horror stories everyday. Sub-P1000 mall bikes and bmx used for sidecars are not spared from theft either.
Anyway, bike cost is never a good discussion piece. People who starts introducing a friend to others with: "Hi, this is my friend and his bike cost PXXX,XXX, top of the line spared no expense, he's new in biking" is really not showing humility and prudence. It does nothing to foster camaraderie and respect, and only end up making the newbie feeling insecure of his newbism.
I would advice everybody to resist the temptation in saying how much this bike cost and that bike cost in the presence of non-bikers. Some things are better kept secret.
I think the ONE way of really promoting the sport is getting a biker representing the Phils to make it big internationally.
Think Manny Pacquiao of boxing, the Asuncion brother-sister tandem of badminton, Efren Bata Reyes of billiards, Paeng Nepomuceno of bowling, and Eugene Torre of chess.
Or as a desperate move, get a showbiz advertising outfit to drum up a biking campaign! ;D
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Post by jamisjoplin on Sept 11, 2007 15:34:31 GMT 8
the thread title made me recount this incident at the EDSA Shangri-la Mall:
About 2 Saturdays ago, I was to meet a fellow DVD forum member at Starbucks at EDSA Shang at 10 AM to buy an item from him. Since I lived in Rosario, Pasig I decided to just pedal the distance for exercise and as a warm-up for the August 26 reverse palace ride the next day.
I was really pumped up by the time I reached Shangri-la and stood my bike on the gutter in front of Starbucks which was beside the main mall entrance, I noticed then from the corner of my eye that the guards manning the traffic at the paved driveway were suddenly alarmed by my two-wheeled presence. I didn't mind the rude stares and went on to text the guy I was to meet that I was already at the meet-up place when I was approached by one of the guards (wasn't able to get his name) and tried to shoo me off the premises. What ensued was the following heated exchange:
Guard: Hoy! Alis diyan, `di pwede yan dito (Hey you! You're not supposed to wait here) Me: What?! Why's that?! Guard: dehins puwede ang bike dito! (Bikes are not allowed to wait here) *notice the lack of any address of respect like sir* Me: Why? I also frequent this establishment and I'm supposed to meet one of your customers who's buying something at Starbucks. Where do you want me to wait? Guard: Dun ka sa parking, ikadena mo na lang yun don (Wait at the parking area, just put a lock on your bike there) Me: I have to wait for somebody here and it won't take me more than 10 minutes, besides your mall won't pay for my bike if it get's stolen would they? Guard: *starting to turn red in the face, probably not expecting somebody to argue the policy with him* Eh dehins nga puwede baka makita ka ng mga VIP na bumababa! (I told you it's not allowed and besides the VIPs might see you there)
*Now this really got my goat*
Me: Eh naknampucha (sorry for the expletive) naman mas pinroblema mo pa yung ibang tao, e sinabi na sa`yong parukyano din ako dito e. Etong helmet ko diyan ko pa binili sa puwesto ng Rudy Project sa loob tapos di ako pwudeng maghintay dito ng sandali?! (Why are you more concerned with what other people will say when I also am a frequent customer here and now you're trying to tell me off?)
At this point, a flurry of walkie-talkie talk was going on between the 2-3 guards near the area, probably reporting the incident to their superiors and discussing what course of action to take to contain the scene. Then a seemingly higher ranking guard (the one in bright orange overalls) comes briskly walking in on the scene and asks me and the guard accosting me what the problem was.
Probably thinking that my outfit and my rig wasn't much of an eye-sore (upon seeing me in the flesh fresh from a conversation on his own handheld) the guard in charge tells me that I can wait for 10 minutes to consummate the meet-up and after which I had to leave immediately to which I agreed.
Seeing thiis as an amicable end to the fracas, both guards then went on doing their regularly appointed duties and I waited on for my rendezvous partner
The whole point of this post was that I really felt I was discriminated against and the mall's policy was clearly and literally not bike-friendly. If the guard only had handled the situation in a cordial manner we would've prevented the raising of voices and probably would have come to the same resolution which the guard in charge laid down, but still in hindsight I know they're just doing their jobs but a little more tact could've prevented the issue.
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Post by leflea on Sept 11, 2007 15:45:20 GMT 8
I would advice everybody to resist the temptation in saying how much this bike cost and that bike cost in the presence of non-bikers. Some things are better kept secret. i was at baker hall, uplb campus last sunday. had a short conversation with a taho vendor, he was asking me how much i spent to build my bike. i replied "mura lang yan," my usual response, though it doesn't really look expensive. he pointed out two bikes, one racer and an mtb, and told me each is worth more than 100k. i was surprised why the taho vendor knew. he must have overheard it. the vendor looks kind and could be a good person after all, but his newfound knowledge will soon be shared to friends and neighbours.
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Post by maxbuwaya on Sept 11, 2007 15:49:31 GMT 8
Lets keep the price to ourselves.
Besides Just because you have a P100,000 bike does'nt mean you should be more respected on the road compared to a guy with P3000 bike.
That's Balony thinking!
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Post by glockbiker on Sept 11, 2007 17:40:09 GMT 8
There used to be a bikeshop (Khumbmela) in Megamall in the early 90s. I happened to overhear the conversation there btween an old man and the shopkeeper. The old man was asking about the Klein MTB on display.
Old man: Magkano yan? (Pointing to the Kelin)
Shopkeeper: "P110,000 po."
Old man: "P110,000!! Bibili na lang ako ng segunda manong Volkswagen!"
Shopkeper: "'DI NYO NAMAN KAYA IPADYAK YUN!"
P.S. (Yes its in Pilipino but sorry, some things just don't translate very well into English, ha-ha)
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Post by angelobryant on Sept 12, 2007 19:12:22 GMT 8
I personally think we're not 2nd class citizens, instead, I firmly believe we are athletes who's hand and eye coordination, lightning quick reflexes and extraordinary sense of awareness makes us a cut above the rest! whehehe
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Post by knobbyist on Sept 12, 2007 21:13:06 GMT 8
I personally think we're not 2nd class citizens, instead, I firmly believe we are athletes who's hand and eye coordination, lightning quick reflexes and extraordinary sense of awareness makes us a cut above the rest! whehehe i absolutely agree... especially when somebody is trying to steal our bikes. hehehe! but on a serious note, its not at all smart to divulge the price of our bikes when someone we don't know asks us. i personally just tell them that i can't really tell how much its worth since some parts were swapped or came from friends and such.
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Post by jafo on Sept 12, 2007 23:21:50 GMT 8
Suggestion: When biking along the busy streets and somebody asks you how much your bike is... answer politely "mura lang po" (it is cheap la), then immediately (but don't be too obvious) get away from the person.
I agree with knobbyist, you have to make them think it is not an expensive bike if still, you're stuck and could not avoid the conversation. Then try to get away from the person.
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Post by REDNEB on Sept 13, 2007 9:33:35 GMT 8
hehe... the fil society is a very strange one... the mentality that cuz ur ridin a bike and the fellow beside u is ridin a car dsnt necessarilly mean ur lower than anybody....
i ride my bike to work to camp bagong diwa from san antonio makati....that dsnt make me 2nd to anyone.... i have plenty of cars at home and i run an AAA construction company.. i go home at the end of the day sometimes dirtier than my chief mechanics......
when i was in my 20s back in sacramento i use to ride my fsr to work 5days a week aint nuthin wrong with that?
We've been mistreated by security guards, public utility drivers, private individuals, ..... hehehehe they look at us like were lower forms of life........ for every single occassion we prevail in conquering their ignorance of what they dnt know.....
we simply return to the establishment properly dressed and armed with a celfone and a luxury car and a shotgun in the trunk..
its a mere game of "who's your daddy now?"..... never let anyone look at you as if ur @#$% just because your different....
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Post by REDNEB on Sept 13, 2007 9:53:26 GMT 8
oh and about the bike price thinggy with criminals that would take interest in my bike? heheheh we've been there already.....
3 incidents we had our friends bikes stolen, we recovered em.... the bike nappers, crippled for life( effect of .45 cal slug on both kneecaps)...."mabilis ka hayop ka ha eto oh! BANG! BANG!" ..... then the lespu will ask "Eh sir ano ilalagay ko sa report?"...i go " eh tatakas eh, binanatan ko!"........ Sa dami ng Driver na binugbog ko? sa dami ng side mirror na pinalipad ko? at sa mga security guard na pinatanggal ko? hahahahah.......
bike-nappers are just people too they just have this wrong initiative on how to feed themselves and make a buck. what i learned in jail is no one is a criminal its just the drive to resort to crime in order to survive, if you were in a life or death situation who would you choose to die... yourself or your enemy..... any normal person can kill in order to defend themselves... you may not get the chance during the confrontation but you can always take revenge later... just remember his face!
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Post by allegra on Sept 13, 2007 12:25:08 GMT 8
My friends think it's mid-life crisis They cant understand why I'm so dark and always sick , and how I can fall asleep inside a noisy bar when it hits 10pm I think mtb and tris will be my last hobby
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Post by jakecastle on Sept 13, 2007 18:27:30 GMT 8
Lets keep the price to ourselves. Besides Just because you have a P100,000 bike does'nt mean you should be more respected on the road compared to a guy with P3000 bike. That's Balony thinking! Aye! I agree completely with your compliments sir.
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Post by jd00 on Sept 13, 2007 23:12:59 GMT 8
sometimes people don't understand the real essence of biking....that's why they labelled as 2nd class, dirt bag etc...I really don't care......"padyak na lang tayo" (let's ride) and enjoy...
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Post by donfacundo on Sept 14, 2007 14:40:29 GMT 8
i think what is important is our motivation to ride...
i can consider a "show off" with a 100k++ bike tag to be a mere 2nd or worse 3rd class if that is their motivation. unlike a guy who works his aa$$ off to buy a budget bike in order to play the sport he really loves...
let our passion bring us together... not really paporma only
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Post by leflea on Sept 14, 2007 16:32:34 GMT 8
i think what is important is our motivation to ride... i can consider a "show off" with a 100k++ bike tag to be a mere 2nd or worse 3rd class if that is their motivation. unlike a guy who works his aa$$ off to buy a budget bike in order to play the sport he really loves... let our passion bring us together... not really paporma only maximize your bike. use it a lot to justify the cost. it's expensive for certain reasons, not just for eyecandy and display. mine is cheap but i use it as much as i can. the money i save through bike commuting alone pays off the worth of my bike in less than two years + the joys of hitting the trails. now that's priceless. for analogy: expensive mobile phones. status symbols. some people buy it to show off, but they really don't need, or even understand, the features that made it expensive.
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Post by donfacundo on Sept 14, 2007 16:37:05 GMT 8
i think what is important is our motivation to ride... i can consider a "show off" with a 100k++ bike tag to be a mere 2nd or worse 3rd class if that is their motivation. unlike a guy who works his aa$$ off to buy a budget bike in order to play the sport he really loves... let our passion bring us together... not really paporma only maximize your bike. use it a lot to justify the cost. it's expensive for certain reasons, not just for eyecandy and display. mine is cheap but i use it as much as i can. the money i save through bike commuting alone pays off the worth of my bike in less than two years + the joys of hitting the trails. now that's priceless. for analogy: expensive mobile phones. status symbols. some people buy it to show off, but they really don't need, or even understand, the features that made it expensive. correct!
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Post by knobbyist on Sept 14, 2007 19:11:16 GMT 8
maximize your bike. use it a lot to justify the cost. it's expensive for certain reasons, not just for eyecandy and display. mine is cheap but i use it as much as i can. the money i save through bike commuting alone pays off the worth of my bike in less than two years + the joys of hitting the trails. now that's priceless. for analogy: expensive mobile phones. status symbols. some people buy it to show off, but they really don't need, or even understand, the features that made it expensive. correct to the 2nd power! ;D
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Post by polpan on Sept 20, 2007 14:33:00 GMT 8
i do bike commute always even on rains wearing kapote.....but i never see myself as a 2nd class especially when i'm on my bike..... and who cares... i still have a decent job not a criminal and built my bike from my own pocket......inggit lang ang mga yan......especially those security guards...... people really doesn't understand why do we love to ride our bike mostly on trails/mountains..... bakit ang fully setup "xrm" or "raider" nila pwede ba sa trails yun or do some bunnyhop .....
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Post by brothermoe on Sept 20, 2007 21:46:54 GMT 8
biking kasi has no snob appeal. you become sweaty and dirty--dehins class. they think you bike commute because you're poor and walang pamasahe. I agree with Whoopi. I think it's because we (bikers and non-bikers alike) all see the "working man" pedaling his way to the job site dressed in a the standard faded t-shirt, sando, or long-sleeved kamisa, the grimy cap, the torn shorts and of course, the tsinelas (flip-flops). All the while looking very unsavory. What the average non-biker doesn't realize is, how strong these guys must be from riding a bike to work day in and day out for years. They also don't realize that bike commuters both high end and lo-end, don't need "pamasahe" and can save as much as a hundred bucks a day. Do the math. That adds up to quite a bit at the end of every month. To answer the question; no I definitely don't think bikers are second class citizens. In fact I think we come out ahead. At least we don't get stuck in traffic.
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