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Post by dudz on Feb 14, 2007 13:30:24 GMT 8
hi guys, need advice i'm looking for a digicam my budget is about 15-20k and at least its a 7.2mp. saw a sony w70 @ 16.5k, a sony T50 @ 20,390 and a sony T10 @ 20,900. my friend told me that the touchscreen T50 is no good. so now i'm confused with one to get.
can anyone suggested a different brand and model? tia.
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Post by mountguitars on Feb 14, 2007 20:03:12 GMT 8
have you tried considering panasonic? i use a panasonic lumix 4 megapixel digicam. it uses leica lens. i think its been with me for 2 year na. its pretty durable considering i've brought it to almost every bike ride and backpacking trips. its even missing a couple of screws already. even moisture build up wont stop this camera. but other than durability, the quality of the pictures are awesome considering im only using the 4X6 format for pics. check my posts at the trail and event gallery. the pictures are crisp and clear. nowadays i think you can get more pixel for your buck. but even with just 4 megapixels, im already satisfied. hope you find what your looking for.
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Post by Superbad on Feb 14, 2007 20:15:16 GMT 8
here's my piece of advise.....don't let the number of pixels fool you. the secret of a good digicam is in the lens.
mine takes excellent photos and its only a 6mp camera...but then again it's a dslr.
but anyway, look for the one that has the best lens.
i've never been a sony digicam fan. why not try the ones made by canon, nikon, or kodak.
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Post by savers on Feb 14, 2007 20:21:27 GMT 8
i recommend canon, it has very good white balance and color
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Post by yukon on Feb 15, 2007 5:13:39 GMT 8
www.dpreview.com that site will hellp you. BTW, try getting in touch with PinoyMTBiker photography addicts. The price you mentioned is cheaper in quiapo hidalgo if you buy in cash. HTH
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Post by g.b.b on Feb 15, 2007 5:24:34 GMT 8
go for panasonic that has leica lens. pros: large screen, easy to use, crisp pictures cons: battery rans out fast. my advice: buy a back up battery or bring the charger all the time. i've used Leica D-LUX camera but this cost more than your budget...... here's a sample pic for my leica. and use your judgement. ;D i5.pbase.com/u7/goodboybrionne/large/41111665.L1020772.jpgwww.pbase.com/goodboybrionne/inboxi got mine for 10K thru an office mate and sold it to a collector for 18K..... oh and btw, my Leica D-LUX was just 3.2Megapixel.
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Post by anthrax76 on Feb 15, 2007 9:40:42 GMT 8
I'm not a camera expert, but unless you want to big prints of your pictures, you only need about 4 MP. I'm using Canon A70, it has a 3.2 MP, with a superfine and large photo (2048 x 1536) setting, it's most likely bigger than your monitor already.
The higher the MP, the higher capacity storage you'll need.
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Post by mzmn on Feb 15, 2007 10:31:53 GMT 8
Ditto on the Panasonic Lumix series. They handle vibration really well and have one of the best zooms out there. Just be sure to buy an extra battery (proprietary).
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Post by whoopi on Feb 15, 2007 11:21:32 GMT 8
seconding the opinions on megapix. 3.x is good enough, don't pay extra for a higher megapix model, spend the extra buck on other features like lens. the more powerful the zoom (not talking digital zoom here), the better your depth of field.
there are websites that compare models depending on what's important to you, e.g., power source, LCD size, price range, compactness, zooming power, etc.
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Post by dudz on Feb 15, 2007 20:35:32 GMT 8
tnx for the replies.
dont have many options here in our place. heard canon and nikon are better than sony. can you guys suggest a model of a canon or nikon or even panasonic? and how much? much better if can include the store/shop's name.
tia.
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Post by gadgets88 on Feb 16, 2007 9:15:29 GMT 8
Step 1. Please answer the following questions:
You're getting a camera because...
Why? - hobby? - possible projects?
How often? - everyday? (must be compact as possible)? - only during occassions, when I have a vehicle? (a professional model is best choice, heavy and bulky)?
What? - portraiture? (good bokeh=clear on the face, blurred background)? - nature? (color)? - sports? (fast movement, low light)? - events? (fast actions you don't want missed)? - macro? (insects and all)?
Where? - beach? (moisture)? - trails? (trauma)? - indoors? (low light)? - Snow? (cold temp)?
Extras Some cameras comes with a built-in video camera circuitry. The video quality differs. Some are limited only by the capacity of the memory cards. Some cameras have options to sync with an external flash. Some cameras have accessories for underwater photography. Some cameras have filters (UV and circular polarizer) you can screw in. Some cameras have all of the above with a price tag. Ask yourself if you really want them.
Type of memory card used Compact flash (CF) Memory stick (memstik) Secure Digital (SD) MMC mini-MMC and mini-SD I have a bunch of different mem cards bec different cameras use different ones! Grr...
Megapixels? Raul is right by saying pixels don't matter for 3R, 4R and even 5Rs. The minimum to get is 3Mpix. I suggest you get a brand new 7Mpix at the least, or buy a 2nd hand 3Mpix if you just wanna play with it and get your feet wet.
What does 6Megapixels give you? it gives you the ability to crop, cut, your shot in half and blow it up. 6Mpix cut in half gives you 3Mpix left. So your output is a 3Mpix photo.
if you're using a 3Mpix camera and you decided to crop your photo in half, then you end up with a 1.5Mpix photo. Think of 1.5 Mpix as using 1.5 Million dots to represent detail in a print.
If you include 1 million flowers in your photo, a 6 megapix camera will render 6 dots to represent one flower. So more pix will make the photos crispier.
Brand OK. Now that I got you even more confused, there's different models. I tried using Sony, Canon, Pentax, Nikon and Olympus. IMHO, these are the good brands. You can't go wrong with any.
The secret of knowing which brand and model to use is knowing if their strengths and weaknesses suits your lifestyle. This is a personal choice learned from trial and error, or from scrutiny.
I would want to get the highest model (usually an improvement of the previous model) after weighing the pros and cons of the models. Yukon gave a nice reference: dpreview
In a nutshell My advice: Get everybody to show you actual prints in a situation that you would likely to be shooting in, then ask them the reasons why they love and hate their cameras. Nothing beats getting actual feedback from friends who are using the cameras.
If you ask me, I'd ask you go to step 1.
Do not collect $200. Roll dice. Pay 10% tax if the dice is a 3, get an extra turn to roll the dice if it's a double, go to jail if you roll 3 doubles consecutively. ;D
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Post by gadgets88 on Feb 16, 2007 9:21:18 GMT 8
Take your time shopping if you can.
Borrow if you can.
Get feedbacks, be very makulit (curious and persistent) and don't be shy in asking. It usually takes me a year of shopping before I make a serious decision. I always go for the best, and have never regretted my decisions.
Except that...
Buying cameras, or any electronic gadgets for that matter, is like acquiring a cellphone.
By the time you got acquainted with it, usually within the week, there's a new model, sleeker, lighter, smaller, better, more features and cheaper than the one you're holding!
I know... believe me, I know... ;D
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Post by yukon on Feb 16, 2007 9:35:59 GMT 8
my office mate just bought a T50 yesterday (18.1k with 1Gig card)...now he wishes he got the Canon A540 daw for the same price.
I hope I didnt add to your confusion!
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Post by OnebyOne on Feb 16, 2007 9:37:46 GMT 8
Seems everything are pretty much covered as stated above...hehehe... I own a Sony T5 but if i'll get a new camera, I would prefer something that uses the cheaper SD memory cards...
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Post by mzmn on Feb 16, 2007 9:43:23 GMT 8
Here's another site that has thorough reviews on digital camera's (among other things): www.steves-digicams.com/I would recommend the Panasonic DMC-FZ7 (<$300) or DMC-LZ7 (<$200). Both are pretty similar, but the latter does not carry the Leica lens. The latter is also more compact. Both are 6 MP.
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Post by gadgets88 on Feb 19, 2007 18:31:40 GMT 8
my office mate just bought a T50 yesterday (18.1k with 1Gig card)...now he wishes he got the Canon A540 daw for the same price. I hope I didnt add to your confusion! It all boils down to your lifestyle and how you're gonna use the camera. If it's sleek design, the looks of the Sony T-series is impeccable. If you prefer a more comfortable grip, the CanonA540 or the Sony V3. Go to dpreview.com. www.dpreview.com/reviews/sidebyside.aspSelect your choices, compare side-by-side. Then... Go to camera shops at the malls, where they allow you to... look at actual product, test shoot it, and look at the LCD. But... don't be fooled by the LCD pic you see, because the color and clarity might not be good in the monitor or in print! P.S. I have a complete Canon 300D (with a 18-52mm kit lens and the works) that I might sell this year. It's the one I bring to EBs so you might want to try it out, like this Friday when we have our badminton cross-training sessions. I'm saving up to get the Canon 40D. Abangan! Coming soon! Ask yourself if you're willing to lug around several pounds of heavy gear! Ask yourself if you're really trigger happy and happy trigerring! Regardless of the camera you get, it all boils down to knowing how to use your gear and exceeding it's limitations.
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Post by dudz on Feb 21, 2007 10:40:18 GMT 8
Tnx again guys for your replies! Ok i'll take my time. @gadget88 I’m getting a camera because our old camera (film) is busted. Hehehe… Everyone in the family will be using it, during occasion, outings etc. And the reason why I’m hunting for at least a 7.2mp is that I won’t have to worry that it will be easily out dated knowing that new models comes out often.
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Post by savers on Feb 22, 2007 8:07:46 GMT 8
canon A540 6mega pixles is quite ok. easy to handle and has a very good color. it cost not more than Php10,800.00 at Mayer in Hidalgo, Quiapo. 6mp is ok if you are just a hobbyist.
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Post by dudz on Feb 22, 2007 17:36:46 GMT 8
@savers
tnx. i'll try to tsek that out.
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Post by gadgets88 on Feb 24, 2007 8:12:35 GMT 8
Your next concern would be the memory card. Does the camera use CF, SD or some micro-mini invention to date? Get a 1GB or 2GB card. There are fake ones, but honestly, I can't tell the difference myself, since I don't do machine gun shoots very much and I'm not complaining... yet. Enjoy shopping! And start clicking! One thing great about being a photographer is that everybody (including the sun) smiles at you almost everyday.
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Post by yukon on May 29, 2007 21:35:20 GMT 8
gadgets aka nelson my wife just bought this Canon Ixus 950 IS which according to press release would come out end of May 2007 for half the price of what's posted at the internet. I mentioned that I'd never go for a Canon anymore..but she bought this not out of impulse but coz of reviews. Pls tell me this is a good buy, pls pls pls. BTW, this is hers...not mine. She'll spank me if I borrowed it. Canon Digital IXUS 950 IS features • 8.0 Megapixels • 4x optical zoom 35-140mm (35mm equivalent) UA lens with optical Image Stabilizer • Eye-catching design with Touch Control Dial • DIGIC III with Face Detection AF/AE/FE and • Noise Reduction Technology • Red-Eye Correction in playback • 2.5” high resolution PureColor LCD • ISO 1600 and Auto ISO Shift • 18 Shooting modes including Creative Light Effect plus My Colors photo effects • 30fps VGA Movies and Time Lapse Movie function • Shortcut button for instant access to favourite functions ....ooopsss wrong thread, bought it na eh. so we chose already, pls delete if found to be useless. Thanks
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Post by alien_scream on May 30, 2007 17:41:13 GMT 8
sorry to say this but the after market of canon sucks!!!!!!
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Post by yukon on May 31, 2007 20:03:02 GMT 8
sorry to say this but the after market of canon sucks!!!!!! agree without thinking (I'm speaking for Canon Phils...no idea for other Canons in AsPac)
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Post by gadgets88 on Jun 1, 2007 10:02:17 GMT 8
I mentioned that I'd never go for a Canon anymore..but she bought this not out of impulse but coz of reviews. Pls tell me this is a good buy, pls pls pls. BTW, this is hers...not mine. She'll spank me if I borrowed it. I have been using Canon (among other brands) for more than 25 years. I'm satisfied with Canon's service. Anyway, to answer the question if it's a good buy, "the proof of the pudding is in the eating". You have to use the unit to know its strength and limitations. One limitation of compact cameras is that the sensor size is small compared to full-sized cameras. The sensor and lens are so small, the 8MP resolution is a little deceiving. Higher is better but I would choose the 3MPix fullsized camera over the 8MPix compact. The price of using small sensors is poor light sensitivity. The price of using small lenses is less light coming into the sensor. Both problem makes less light entering the lens to the sensor. In other words, the compact will shoot poorly at nighttime, indoors and makes using flash a trial-and-error experience. How acceptable and how bad your camera performs is up to you to decide and discover how to go around the problems. Best to use your compact cameras in broad daylight. You'll be surprised how such a compact can take such nice photos under the sun. A tip: For indoor shots, turn up all the lights, and get the subject under the lights. Stay 2 meters away from the subject when using flash (I tried a piece of tissue over the flashbulb to diffuse the flash, sometimes it works. Experiment!) In a nutshell: It's the photographer, not the camera.
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Post by whoopi on Jun 1, 2007 10:23:22 GMT 8
"Higher is better but I would choose the 3MPix fullsized camera over the 8MPix compact." couldn't agree with you more, GADGETS i find it crazy the way newer models now seem to be all about increasing the megapix. "It's the photographer, not the camera." maybe most of the time, but not all the time i've looked at some professional wedding photos, and if the photographer had not been using powerful lens the shots would've looked sadly ordinary.
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Post by marcs on Jun 1, 2007 11:29:47 GMT 8
Get the Olympus MU all weather. Easy interface, crisp shots, and it's water/dirt resistant pa so you can take it with you on your trail rides. If you intend to really go nasty, the MU-750 I think is waterproof and shockproof.
The MU 650(?) I think sells for 16k, with free 256MB card and 12 months to pay at Abensons.
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Post by alien_scream on Jun 1, 2007 12:53:30 GMT 8
"Higher is better but I would choose the 3MPix fullsized camera over the 8MPix compact." couldn't agree with you more, GADGETS i find it crazy the way newer models now seem to be all about increasing the megapix. "It's the photographer, not the camera." maybe most of the time, but not all the time i've looked at some professional wedding photos, and if the photographer had not been using powerful lens the shots would've looked sadly ordinary. the higher the pixel the better the picture!!!!! well its a myth and it was busted by somebody which i will find the link again (i read it i think last year). he experimented using a 6 mega pixel camera and an 8 mega pixel camera and ask about a hundred graphic artist to tell which is which and out of the hunfred only 1 was right!!!!!! i read it in a supplement on manila bulletin (sat issue of new york times i think). and i emailed also raffy paredes of picture perfect and he heard of it but will research more!!!!!!!! i use a 6 megapixel camera and my pictures come out much sharper than the pictures of my friend who uses a 10 megapixel camera!!!!!
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Post by whoopi on Jun 1, 2007 15:29:07 GMT 8
agree. higher megapix would look crisper, true--IF you blow up the pic into a billboard. but on a 5x10 print, you won't be able to tell the difference.
there are non-SLR digicams now that are called superzooms, with 12x optical zoom. mine has only 10x optical zoom, but it had the most powerful non-SLR zooming power at the time (at 3.5megapix lang). i would get the superzoom cams kesa something with 3x zoom lang pero 8 or 10 megapix, because all you'll get are crisp photos without depth.
JOEY, what cam are you using pala?
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Post by alien_scream on Jun 1, 2007 15:44:45 GMT 8
i use a Nikon D70s and my friend uses a Nikon D200
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Post by rench on Jun 5, 2007 1:31:36 GMT 8
sorry to say this but the after market of canon sucks!!!!!! Care to share your bad experience with Canon? I've been to their service center for cleaning service and it was free as long as the camera was under warranty. I'm pretty satisfied so far, and a few pro photographer friends are as well. It's OK as long as your camera was purchased locally. Gray unit owners are reportedly given a harder time.
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