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Post by jr on Sept 1, 2007 21:03:27 GMT 8
Opinion on Bush Admistration. Address your complaint make sure to have a valid reason, facts and can be re battle.
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Post by flipnidaho on Sept 1, 2007 21:22:40 GMT 8
the best thing about bush is that he's leaving in a few months...
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Post by donfacundo on Sept 1, 2007 22:56:47 GMT 8
the worst terrorist in human history
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Post by jr on Sept 2, 2007 13:57:47 GMT 8
the best thing about bush is that he's leaving in a few months... Getting in there..let see who's going to be next. Osama Ubama ;D.
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Post by jr on Sept 2, 2007 13:58:40 GMT 8
the worst terrorist in human history Explain why? do you have valid facts..prove it.
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Post by donfacundo on Sept 2, 2007 22:21:51 GMT 8
the worst terrorist in human history Explain why? do you have valid facts..prove it.[/quot remember that the goal of terrorism is not to kill people but to SOW terror... lives are just collateral damages in every attack... double standards on taiwan, roc: under one china policy, taiwan is a province of china w/c is US recognized, but US tells taiwan, buy our arms so you can protect yourself and we can help you. iraq war for oil... no WMD's found... halliburton: US bidder on iraq's restoration (bush is a stakeholder) taliban, al qaeda, abu sayyaf members are CIA trained... anthrax attacks are just imaginations... "if you are not with us, you are against us"--- quote from bush on declaring war against his so called "Terrorist" why cant he declare war on israel for bombing gaza? --- arms and ammo development partner why cant he declare war on north korea? why do they have to lead a ban on toothpastes, shampoos, toiletries, etc. at the air and seaports? do you think terrorists are so stupid will likely to attack using these things? over production of arms and ammos by the US is one of the the main reasons why they are lauching these "terrorism" why? in order for other countries to buy their arms... advancement in weaponry (they have to test theirs in the real world scene) they are instilling fear on people... not physical damages but making them paranoid is the worst thing a person can be...
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Post by enzo on Sept 2, 2007 22:37:32 GMT 8
the worst terrorist in human history Explain why? do you have valid facts..prove it.[/quot remember that the goal of terrorism is not to kill people but to SOW terror... lives are just collateral damages in every attack... double standards on taiwan, roc: under one china policy, taiwan is a province of china w/c is US recognized, but US tells taiwan, buy our arms so you can protect yourself and we can help you. iraq war for oil... no WMD's found... halliburton: US bidder on iraq's restoration (bush is a stakeholder) taliban, al qaeda, abu sayyaf members are CIA trained... anthrax attacks are just imaginations... "if you are not with us, you are against us"--- quote from bush on declaring war against his so called "Terrorist" why cant he declare war on israel for bombing gaza? --- arms and ammo development partner why cant he declare war on north korea? why do they have to lead a ban on toothpastes, shampoos, toiletries, etc. at the air and seaports? do you think terrorists are so stupid will likely to attack using these things? over production of arms and ammos by the US is one of the the main reasons why they are lauching these "terrorism" why? in order for other countries to buy their arms... advancement in weaponry (they have to test theirs in the real world scene) they are instilling fear on people... not physical damages but making them paranoid is the worst thing a person can be... Don Facundo, About the China Taiwan thing, The same way they put up bases in the Phils, it is to counter the expansion of communism. It was only US who fully supported Taiwan against Mainland China, even moved most factories and production lines there during the Reaganomics era. Even If Taiwan will stockpile arms, the money that they have were actually or came from the US through their putting up of factories and companies. US made Taiwan very, very big and self sufficient. As with Iraq, the amount of money they spent already, is more than what they can get from any contracts or even oil revenue. I still dont get it that they will spend billions to get contracts for halliburton or even oil, Anybody who can help me on this one? How much is US spending each day to keep their forces there? How much contracts can they get?
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Post by enzo on Sept 2, 2007 22:42:44 GMT 8
Don Facundo,
"If you are not with us, you are against us".
Im no BUsh fan, but his words to Pakistan after 911 spells a big difference. We all know that Pakistan supported the Taliban govt/ Al Qaeda in Afghanisthan and Pakistan.
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Post by nell7806 on Sept 3, 2007 0:01:49 GMT 8
No permanent friends... ...just permanent Interest.
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Post by nell7806 on Sept 3, 2007 0:05:20 GMT 8
others use eloquence to persuade... he uses "fear" to have the support of the american people...
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Post by allegra on Sept 3, 2007 1:06:01 GMT 8
He may not be smart , but he's decisive no hesitation ( just imagine GMA leading the war I'm shocked at how squemish Americans are about spilling American blood after vietnam Thats a huge weakness their enemies have exploited
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Post by donfacundo on Sept 3, 2007 10:39:30 GMT 8
Don Facundo, "If you are not with us, you are against us". Im no BUsh fan, but his words to Pakistan after 911 spells a big difference. We all know that Pakistan supported the Taliban govt/ Al Qaeda in Afghanisthan and Pakistan. the unilateral attacks of USA to some countries that were against them were one of the clear examples that a hidden agenda is way ahead of them. they are not protectors of democracy... or shall i say, they are over protectors of demopcracy as they claim they are... most of the countries attacked by terror groups are clear and vocal symphatizers of USA. thnk of collateral damages... this statement has angered so many world leaders especially the mahartir mohammed of malaysia, while we condemn such acts of terrorisms, mr bush should not have issued such statements to world leaders to support him bec there are countries who wanted to be on the "neutral grounds" USA becoming the epitome of capitalism in the world (FYI, capitalism is the opposite of communism) had developed and over produced so many things that were not really needed or of little commercial value at certain times so they needed other countries to buy them. (arms and ammos) they needed a war (as public relations cum advertising) to sell theirs products. environmental issues and economic issues are the main reason why they opted to have their products made outside of theirs. (lot of credits to Chris King for their zero waste management) it is not because of political reasons. and labor is so much cheaper outside theirs and most americans wont do the labors bec of harse conditions they are into (if it is, then there would be no more made in china, remember recents news bout these china products?) why did they issue an economic embargo on iraq before the war, their ordinary folks were severely affected? economic embargo on cuba? lives lost not only for the enemies but their soldiers as well. (imagine how will these impoverish countries be a treat to them?) how these young US soldiers were recruited in far flung villages and promised a good life by them. im not anti- american, but anti policy... i will going there in the future for greener pastures, but im hoping that things will be on great way bec we all want to live in harmony not fear...
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 3, 2007 10:52:48 GMT 8
hmm..this is getting interesting.
donfacundo, you seem to know a lot of things about international politics...just curious, i f you were the us president, what would be your foreign policies regarding iraq and other middle eastern countries like israel, iran, lebanon etc etc.
the 911 being the background, what would you do to counter terrorism?
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Post by donfacundo on Sept 3, 2007 11:39:03 GMT 8
sir lamok:
frankly speaking i do think that that 9/11 is a conspiracy plot between mr bush and whoever to justify his war on taliban/ hussein in order for them to show the world what fire power they have, sow terror, make believe that the world is unsafe and we have to protect ourselves... which boils down to... buy our arms and ammos... economic interests...
other countries are considered by US as their enemies bec they are UNwilling to buy arms fr them. NoKor, Iran, Pakistan, to name a few are developing their own defense weapons which is considered by US as a blow to their much sophisticated weapons. (No income!) You see why they still support israel with their war against syria, gaza, west bank? bec they are one of their leading arms partner, exchanging ideas for a more sophisticated warfare while others are doing their own.
i honestly dont know what to do if i were the the president bec it is very hard to compromise things. the retaliation of the islamic world is of RELIGIOUS factor, meaning we cannot make them do things which they believe is SACRED, unlike US makes policy bec of political reasons.
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 3, 2007 12:31:26 GMT 8
although i think there's a movie shown with that insinuation, that conspiracy theory in your 1st paragraph if true is really sick! was there a leader in human history who had done that before? i mean, whoa! i'm not sure man.. i'm still thinking not yet convinced. is there a data available that would show us that the usa is earning or gaining economic advantage from this war? the arms manufacturers perhaps, but the US itself? if it is, then shouldnt the people of USA be thanking him for sparking economic boom? this entire thing is all about selling arms an ammo? donfacundo, dont get me wrong i'm your student here...i'm asking questions so hopefully i can understand.
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Post by donfacundo on Sept 3, 2007 12:57:15 GMT 8
sir this is not just about the arms and ammos, i think its about GREED...LUST... for power, money, supremacy, respect???
in the case of US vs other countries: you cannot tell me what to do bec what worked for you might or will not work for me...(e.g. capitalist vs communist; democracy vs. autocracy vs oligarchy)
for myself, i do not like communism or autocrathic rule either, i just want to emphasize that the world will be at peace if the leaders of each nation respects the right of each to self determination, and unless the people seeks help and valid reasons are justified, maybe then help must be given to those who need it.
what do these guys have in common?
adolf hitler, benito mussolini, joseph stalin, ferdinand marcos, george w bush, george h w bush, fidel castro, saddam hussein, nicolai ceaucescu, kim jng il
they maybe great men but they are so greedy... just in different ways
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 3, 2007 15:06:55 GMT 8
sir, im just thinking...if you were asked, what is the most powerful country in the world? what wud you say? according to what i read, the US is the only remaining "true" superpower in the world after the collapse of USSR...aint that enough power? what 911 to me is the exposure of US of its vulnerability...who would think that you can turn an ordinary jetliner into a deadly bomb capable of destroying skyscrapers? first time naunahan ng terrorist ang holiwood ;D...seriously, i think it destroyed the image of invincibility it was trying to project to its allies and enemies alike... who would do that to his own country if he wants to be influential and intimidating? or is it just simply that mr. bush made some really lousy decisions? sorry, lots of questions p.s. if i were mr. bush, i would hire saddam for about a year as a consultant on how to handle the iraqis (shiites, sunnis, kurd etc) before sending him to the gallows.
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Post by donfacundo on Sept 3, 2007 15:29:08 GMT 8
the US is the only considered world superpower power MAYBE bec of the influence it has in the world... economic and political. kaso matalino man daw ang matsing, naiisahan din (trans: thank god his term is near to end)
remember the reason why they conquered the phils? they say bec of benevolent assimilation... how come? those bastards! later they did it bec they want to put a military base here so that they will not be too destroyed during the war. it was pity that manila was considered the 2nd most damaged city during WWII (2nd only to warsaw, poland) and to think that we are not really a part of these war... think of collateral damages... upto now, they still conquer the world thru their imperialist aproach toward their policies.
mr bush is no different... but he did things that will make other countries hate US. i pity their citizens... perhaps he wanted to be remembered as an "infamous" president...
OT: he won the 2000 elections by more electoral votes fr al gore... 2004 by popular votes fr john kerry... not bec of his military aggresion on those labeled as "terrorists" but bec of conservative issues he addressed to the conservative americans... (he lost in most urban areas)
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Post by arcireyes on Sept 3, 2007 15:32:12 GMT 8
so, any suggestions on what we can do? and how we can do it? i mean to stop the spread of evil which is US Imperialism
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Post by donfacundo on Sept 3, 2007 15:34:48 GMT 8
@ sir arci
perhaps we can just ride and enjoy the company when i get back home and forget them... ahihihi
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 3, 2007 16:06:17 GMT 8
i dont know donfacundo, but while its true about the american coming here and establishing bases etc...i still wonder why the US, if it is really an evil imperialist as projected by some, including you, let japan, west germany and all other countries under its occupation after ww2 to get back to their feet again and compete against them economically? russia didnt do that.
do you have an opinion regarding this?
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Post by donfacundo on Sept 3, 2007 16:21:46 GMT 8
russia is a fail communist country... now they are socialist already... capitalist- economy and communist - political
the communism perhaps is just an ideology.. it will NEVER succeed... look at vietman, china, russia, poland... they all embraced capitalism and they are blooming in economy... look at cuba, NoKor... no nothing at all...
my branding if US as imperialist is just a quote fr the accusers... im not a hardcore...hihihihi
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Post by sabretooth on Sept 3, 2007 17:51:15 GMT 8
i dont know donfacundo, but while its true about the american coming here and establishing bases etc...i still wonder why the US, if it is really an evil imperialist as projected by some, including you, let japan, west germany and all other countries under its occupation after ww2 to get back to their feet again and compete against them economically? russia didnt do that. do you have an opinion regarding this? After WWII, another war had to be waged. US helped the Philippines get back to its feet in terms of infrastructure, etc, but only to make it dependent to her. As for Japan, well it's a war bootie that must be taken cared of, especially after dropping two a-bombs to civilian cities. Just like the other territories it took "under its care"--yes like Japan, South Vietnam, etc. It had to "help" its old and new allies in order to curb the growing influence of USSR and communism in other countries. the USSR had its own cast to support... and so the Cold War started. i hope i got that right. but anyway, in my humble opinion, "international interdependence" involving a superpower like US or a financial entity like the IMF and poor countries like the Philippines all work one way...and that's for the gain of the superpower. For example, US gives da Philippines scrap military hardware, or constructed a few classrooms in Mindanao, or granted a bilateral loan amounting to some billions of pesos...the US definitely gains something, something more valuable...like for example maintaining a clear presence in this part of town, giving the North Koreans jitters. As for the favorite arch enemies of aktibistas...the IMF-WB-WTO, etc (parang titles ni Pacquiao!) they will never grant huge loans to our country without "suggesting" some policy changes beneficial to the interests of say, US...these come in the form of "Letters of Instruction" like for example: we give you money, you privatize the power sector; we give you money, you deregulate oil... what da aktibistas are shouting in da streets somehow are closer to what's happening in reality than what Philippine presidents are saying. It goes without saying, that such IMF-WB "suggestions" are indeed "dictates" that no Philippine president, however righteous, can contradict. Only, when such policies are initiated by the govt, these appear like genuine ideas cooked inside the halls of congress or malacanang when in fact, these are friendly "suggestions" from alien lands. ... i dont like bush.
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Post by bikedaddy on Sept 3, 2007 18:48:39 GMT 8
"remember that the goal of terrorism is not to kill people but to SOW terror... lives are just collateral damages in every attack..."
"They terrorize by killing.... Killing is the only language known to terrorists. I didn't know that GWB planned the systematic killing of Sunnis and Shiites, did he? I think I missed that part. Did he sow terror among Americans? Nahh! Kanye West wasn't even afraid of him ;D....Hollywood terrorized more people than GWB, that, my fellow biker is a fact. "double standards on taiwan, roc: under one china policy, taiwan is a province of china w/c is US recognized, but US tells taiwan, buy our arms so you can protect yourself and we can help you."
China doesn't even know what to do with Taiwan for Tofu's sake!!! Should they maintain the status quo or just fire 50,000 missiles across the Strait? But this I know is true; One China Policy works, call it a double standard but if the policy works, no one should question it....If there's no One China Policy, there will only be, correct!! One China na lang talaga. "iraq war for oil... no WMD's found..."Give me the top 5 Intelligence Agencies in the world and let's look at their review on Iraq's WMD program prior to the U.S. military action. Isama mo pa ang U.N. review. They all said that WMD exists...they were wrong! Iraq's weapons program was significantly destroyed during the first Gulf War. Intel was in the gray area, you cannot fault the U.S. for that. "halliburton: US bidder on iraq's restoration (bush is a stakeholder)"Simply not allowed under the U.S. Constitution.....Cheney WAS the CEO though. If that means anything to you. "taliban, al qaeda, abu sayyaf members are CIA trained..."Not true. The CIA trained the Mujahideens(with legitimate cause), not Al Qaida(terrorists). Different cause, different purpose. When OBL was in Afghanistan he wouldn't even shake the hands of a westerner. He hates America so much, he wouldn't even drink a Pepsi. "anthrax attacks are just imaginations..." 5 deaths, thousands of interviews and subpoenas. Imagination? Wake-up dude!
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Post by soulcontrol on Sept 3, 2007 22:52:14 GMT 8
i trust CNN and Fox News. if i were american, i'd be happy to get drafted! woohoo!
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Post by jr on Sept 4, 2007 3:17:54 GMT 8
"remember that the goal of terrorism is not to kill people but to SOW terror... lives are just collateral damages in every attack..."
"They terrorize by killing.... Killing is the only language known to terrorists. I didn't know that GWB planned the systematic killing of Sunnis and Shiites, did he? I think I missed that part. Did he sow terror among Americans? Nahh! Kanye West wasn't even afraid of him ;D....Hollywood terrorized more people than GWB, that, my fellow biker is a fact. "double standards on taiwan, roc: under one china policy, taiwan is a province of china w/c is US recognized, but US tells taiwan, buy our arms so you can protect yourself and we can help you."
China doesn't even know what to do with Taiwan for Tofu's sake!!! Should they maintain the status quo or just fire 50,000 missiles across the Strait? But this I know is true; One China Policy works, call it a double standard but if the policy works, no one should question it....If there's no One China Policy, there will only be, correct!! One China na lang talaga. "iraq war for oil... no WMD's found..."Give me the top 5 Intelligence Agencies in the world and let's look at their review on Iraq's WMD program prior to the U.S. military action. Isama mo pa ang U.N. review. They all said that WMD exists...they were wrong! Iraq's weapons program was significantly destroyed during the first Gulf War. Intel was in the gray area, you cannot fault the U.S. for that. "halliburton: US bidder on iraq's restoration (bush is a stakeholder)"Simply not allowed under the U.S. Constitution.....Cheney WAS the CEO though. If that means anything to you. "taliban, al qaeda, abu sayyaf members are CIA trained..."Not true. The CIA trained the Mujahideens(with legitimate cause), not Al Qaida(terrorists). Different cause, different purpose. When OBL was in Afghanistan he wouldn't even shake the hands of a westerner. He hates America so much, he wouldn't even drink a Pepsi. "anthrax attacks are just imaginations..." 5 deaths, thousands of interviews and subpoenas. Imagination? Wake-up dude! Papa...you explain it pecfectly. You took all the answers in my mounth. Also US oil only few percentage coming from Middle east most of them coming from S. America. Dick Cheney once a CEO of the company but as soon as he became VP. As US laws he needs to sell all his options. Mrs Clinton and some politicians were investors then.
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Post by jr on Sept 4, 2007 3:22:06 GMT 8
sir lamok: frankly speaking i do think that that 9/11 is a conspiracy plot between mr bush and whoever to justify his war on taliban/ hussein in order for them to show the world what fire power they have, sow terror, make believe that the world is unsafe and we have to protect ourselves... which boils down to... buy our arms and ammos... economic interests... other countries are considered by US as their enemies bec they are UNwilling to buy arms fr them. NoKor, Iran, Pakistan, to name a few are developing their own defense weapons which is considered by US as a blow to their much sophisticated weapons. (No income!) You see why they still support israel with their war against syria, gaza, west bank? bec they are one of their leading arms partner, exchanging ideas for a more sophisticated warfare while others are doing their own. i honestly dont know what to do if i were the the president bec it is very hard to compromise things. the retaliation of the islamic world is of RELIGIOUS factor, meaning we cannot make them do things which they believe is SACRED, unlike US makes policy bec of political reasons. Do you have a fact about 9/11 conspiracy? C'mom man. Read all the fact before 9/11 happen. You and most Anti -American being blind about what really happen.
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Post by donfacundo on Sept 4, 2007 10:11:45 GMT 8
sir lamok: frankly speaking i do think that that 9/11 is a conspiracy plot between mr bush and whoever to justify his war on taliban/ hussein in order for them to show the world what fire power they have, sow terror, make believe that the world is unsafe and we have to protect ourselves... which boils down to... buy our arms and ammos... economic interests... other countries are considered by US as their enemies bec they are UNwilling to buy arms fr them. NoKor, Iran, Pakistan, to name a few are developing their own defense weapons which is considered by US as a blow to their much sophisticated weapons. (No income!) You see why they still support israel with their war against syria, gaza, west bank? bec they are one of their leading arms partner, exchanging ideas for a more sophisticated warfare while others are doing their own. i honestly dont know what to do if i were the the president bec it is very hard to compromise things. the retaliation of the islamic world is of RELIGIOUS factor, meaning we cannot make them do things which they believe is SACRED, unlike US makes policy bec of political reasons. Do you have a fact about 9/11 conspiracy? C'mom man. Read all the fact before 9/11 happen. You and most Anti -American being blind about what really happen. sooooo what really happened?
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Post by donfacundo on Sept 4, 2007 10:14:18 GMT 8
Papa...you explain it pecfectly. You took all the answers in my mounth. Also US oil only few percentage coming from Middle east most of them coming from S. America.
Dick Cheney once a CEO of the company but as soon as he became VP. As US laws he needs to sell all his options. Mrs Clinton and some politicians were investors then.
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Post by donfacundo on Sept 4, 2007 10:25:56 GMT 8
"remember that the goal of terrorism is not to kill people but to SOW terror... lives are just collateral damages in every attack..."
"They terrorize by killing.... Killing is the only language known to terrorists. I didn't know that GWB planned the systematic killing of Sunnis and Shiites, did he? I think I missed that part. Did he sow terror among Americans? Nahh! Kanye West wasn't even afraid of him ;D....Hollywood terrorized more people than GWB, that, my fellow biker is a fact. "double standards on taiwan, roc: under one china policy, taiwan is a province of china w/c is US recognized, but US tells taiwan, buy our arms so you can protect yourself and we can help you."
China doesn't even know what to do with Taiwan for Tofu's sake!!! Should they maintain the status quo or just fire 50,000 missiles across the Strait? But this I know is true; One China Policy works, call it a double standard but if the policy works, no one should question it....If there's no One China Policy, there will only be, correct!! One China na lang talaga. "iraq war for oil... no WMD's found..."Give me the top 5 Intelligence Agencies in the world and let's look at their review on Iraq's WMD program prior to the U.S. military action. Isama mo pa ang U.N. review. They all said that WMD exists...they were wrong! Iraq's weapons program was significantly destroyed during the first Gulf War. Intel was in the gray area, you cannot fault the U.S. for that. "halliburton: US bidder on iraq's restoration (bush is a stakeholder)"Simply not allowed under the U.S. Constitution.....Cheney WAS the CEO though. If that means anything to you. "taliban, al qaeda, abu sayyaf members are CIA trained..."Not true. The CIA trained the Mujahideens(with legitimate cause), not Al Qaida(terrorists). Different cause, different purpose. When OBL was in Afghanistan he wouldn't even shake the hands of a westerner. He hates America so much, he wouldn't even drink a Pepsi. "anthrax attacks are just imaginations..." 5 deaths, thousands of interviews and subpoenas. Imagination? Wake-up dude! do you see the need why you have to inspected by those security guards everywhere you go? why are there limits for your toiletries in your hand carried items in the ports? even your drinking water is confiscated at mrt stations b4? bec... they are trying to tell you that you are suspected as a terrorist... why is lespu/ military visibility so much in the city? they intimidate you... they sow you terror... they make you paranoid... they cannot fire missiles on taiwan bec US will attack them... speaking of economic agenda... how come that mujahideens are trained at legitimate cause? bec they are trained by the US? bec they are to fight communism during iran- iraq war? during the cold war? come on... the technology that they have learned are passed on to these islamists... talibans are mujahideens in the russo- afghan war... i guess you know that... kaya nga terrorism" (trans: that is sowing fear)
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