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Post by anshwa on May 18, 2006 0:21:49 GMT 8
Leo Oracion summitted Mt. Everest! www.mounteverest.net/news.php?id=2011Of course I'm pretty sure it's already known there but it's cool to see an international site recognizes this accomplishment! Mabuhay!
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Post by 'Bee' on May 18, 2006 0:33:30 GMT 8
Let's pray for his and the others' safety going down the big E. Summit is only the halfway, they still have to come down alive.
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Post by warlock^_^ on May 18, 2006 1:26:21 GMT 8
Yeah! It's not finished yet....this will be the toughest part. Let's pray for the safe return and the summit push of the rest of Pinoys. We're proud of you guys!
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Post by joes on May 18, 2006 9:14:57 GMT 8
sherpas should get all the credit for climbs. all these guys do is fund the d@mn thing.
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Post by warlock^_^ on May 18, 2006 9:31:00 GMT 8
tsk think again.... those guys didnt pay for their climb... they're funded, that means their sponsors are confident that they are really fit/ experienced enough to make it to the top. Climbing Everest is not a walk in the park, even if with Sherpa buzzing around your needs, walking around the basecamp is taking its toll physically. Sherpas cant prevent the ice from falling, you from swallowed by the crevasse, you from succumbing HAPE or HACE. Think again. Have you ever climb a mountain? I mean on foot? sherpas should get all the credit for climbs. all these guys do is fund the darn thing.
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Post by kulot_salot on May 18, 2006 10:07:27 GMT 8
[glow=red,2,300]hail the filipino mountaineers!!!![/glow]
praises for leo, erwin, romi, the fpmee team, jj villareal(?), and even to dale for giving spice.... ;D
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Post by warlock^_^ on May 18, 2006 10:38:26 GMT 8
National (as of 9:40 AM)
Emata reaches Everest summit
Mountaineer Erwin "Pastour" Emata has reached the summit of Mount Everest at dawn Thursday, ABS-CBN News reported from Nepal.
Correspondent Abner Mercado cited information from expedition leader Arturo Valdez, who said that Emata stepped on the peak of the 8,848-meter mountain at 5:34 a.m. (7:34 a.m. in Manila). Mercado and fellow correspondent Vince Rodriguez are with the rest of the expedition at Everest Base Camp.
Valdez said Emata, a Davao native, called him up by radio to confirm word he has climbed the top of the world's highest mountain.
"We we're stunned [and] excited," Valdez told Rodriguez in an interview after Emata's successful climb.
Emata was the second Filipino climber to reach Everest's peak following Heracleo "Leo" Oracion. Oracion became the first Filipino to scale Everest's peak at 3:30 p.m. Wednesday.
Oracion became the first Filipino to reach the summit of Everest Wednesday. He made it safely back to Camp 4 of the world's tallest mountain Thursday night.
Valdez told ABS-CBN's Insider that Oracion arrived at Camp 4 at 9:30 p.m. Thursday.
At 8,000 meters, Camp 4 is also known as the Death Zone, since it is here where climbers may suffer from fatal illnesses such as cerebral edema, when water from extreme cold enters the brain, and pulmonary edema, when water seeps into the lungs. Oracion left this camp at 9 p.m. Tuesday.
Oracion reached the summit of the mountain and ended the suspense of a tropical nation riveted by the stories of a handful of its countrymen conquering the peak.
"The Philippine eagle has landed at the summit of Mt. Everest," Valdez quoted Oracion as saying.
Aided by good weather, Oracion reached the summit ahead of Romi Garduce, the Filipino adventurer who first set out in April to reach the top of the world on his own.
Valdez said he was worried after Oracion made it to the summit after a 17-hour climb and may not have enough oxygen to make it back.
He said Oracion climbed Camps 1 to 4 without using his oxygen supply.
"Oracion is really a very strong climber," he told Insider.
The Philippine expedition is supported by Asia Brewery’s Summit Water, Philippine Airlines, Globe Roaming Services, Coleman, ABS-CBN,
Stratworks, MedCentral, Mozcom, National Sports Grill, Fitness First, PowerUp, the Rudy Project, Kodak and the Philippine Accident Managers Insurance.
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Post by dirtrat on May 18, 2006 10:41:27 GMT 8
pastor emata summits 5:30pm nepal time around 7:30 to 8:00 am manila time... BERG HAIL!!!! LEO Oracion without Supplemental Oxygen upto camp 4 (ala Reinhold messner hehehe my idol) there are claims also of dale abenojar summit ascent as early as monday ahead of leo and pastor this is unconfirmed... even north side basecamp monitoring team cant confirm this. romi garduce is in camp 4 and will do his summit bid today... source: www.mounteverest.netO.T. manila bulletin reports has lots of typo error in height unit...meters should be feet and feet should be meters.
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Post by bernie on May 18, 2006 10:58:02 GMT 8
Mabuhay!
But seems that there is a lil competition here between the two Giant networks, they have their own media representative and climber.
Anyway, still, they are both pinoy, who cares anyway
Mabuhay!
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Post by warlock^_^ on May 18, 2006 11:00:06 GMT 8
This guy kick-ass.... why? he's not like the Phil Team who trained for this climb... he's one of us, working class. Well a 2.5 Million from GMA 7 as funding would be a good start hehehe. pride of bataan romi garduce is in camp 4 and will do his summit bid today..
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Post by kulot_salot on May 18, 2006 11:03:12 GMT 8
manila bulletin didnt even put the historical news on its front page... even as a side bar....
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Post by dirtrat on May 18, 2006 11:07:42 GMT 8
sherpas should get all the credit for climbs. all these guys do is fund the darn thing. with all due respect sir not all credit should go to sherpas....thu they have a big part in ensuring a succesful summit bid.. all everest summiters have been thru a lot of training.....and pour lots of time and money before even reaching EBC.... you cant be a mountaineer and climb the big E. as your first climb hehehe Take for example Reinhold messner he dont need sherpas he even climb everest solo as in solo (no sherpas and alone in the entire mountain) moonson season alpine style pa.... all 14 8000m peaks with out supplemetal oxygen.
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Post by warlock^_^ on May 18, 2006 11:14:28 GMT 8
It just shows who among us have passion for climbing hehehe ;D
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Post by dirtrat on May 18, 2006 11:16:09 GMT 8
This guy kick-ass.... why? he's not like the Phil Team who trained for this climb... he's one of us, working class. Well a 2.5 Million from GMA 7 as funding would be a good start hehehe. pride of bataan romi garduce is in camp 4 and will do his summit bid today.. sir butch romi drop the offer from FPMEE to join the team becoz he has hes own goal to reach the seven summit by the help of climb for a cause foundation..he did anconcagua in south america kilimanjaro in africa on his third it supposed to be elbrus in antartica but becoz abs cbn supports the FPMEE gma7 see the opportunity to compete with abs and supports his(romi) foundation thru gma kapuso.. 3 down 4 more to go sir romi....BERG HAIL!!
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Post by joes on May 18, 2006 11:19:54 GMT 8
why shouldn't the sherpas take credit for every attempt made on everest? they've been doing the hard work for years! even norgay should be credited for reaching the summit, not the kiwi. conquering everest is a white man's dream realized through the oppression of natives who don't know any better. what i want to see is an attempt to reach the roof of the world without the help of sherpas. now that would be something.
this is not me being anti-filipino. this is me being anti-nothing. i'm not against these pinoys reaching the peak, i'm against everyone who made attempts to top everest and oppressed an ethnic group along the way.
IMHO. well, not so H.
OT: buying starbucks coffee oppresses 3rd world coffee pickers!
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Post by dirtrat on May 18, 2006 11:26:36 GMT 8
why shouldn't the sherpas take credit for every attempt made on everest? they've been doing the hard work for years! even norgay should be credited for reaching the summit, not the kiwi. conquering everest is a white man's dream realized through the oppression of natives who don't know any better. what i want to see is an attempt to reach the roof of the world without the help of sherpas. now that would be something. this is not me being anti-filipino. this is me being anti-nothing. i'm not against these pinoys reaching the peak, i'm against everyone who made attempts to top everest and oppressed an ethnic group along the way. IMHO. well, not so H. OT: buying starbucks coffee oppresses 3rd world coffee pickers! OO NGA mag batangas brew na lang tayo hehehe everest foundation thru the help of climbers has lots of project to improve the livelihood and treatment to sherpas jean christope la fayete for example and alex lowe who died years ago has raised a big sum of money to educate and protect their rights..give and take kung baga
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Post by warlock^_^ on May 18, 2006 11:33:23 GMT 8
oppress (e pres) vt. 1 to weigh heavily on the mind, spirits, or senses of; worry; trouble 2 to keep down by the cruel or unjust use of power or authority; rule harshly; tyrannize over 3 [Obs.] a) to crush; trample down b) to overpower; subdue
oppressed? their being paid! and freaking more than how much I earn I might add. The Sherpa business pick up when more adventure packages was offered. They're not forced to carry/cook/kay ropes, its because they want the work, and they know they can live the adverse conditon better than anyone. Most of the sherpas goes thru a level of acceptance which started out as cook at the base camp to head sherpas
Tenzing took part as a high-altitude porter in three official British attempts to climb Everest from the northern Tibetan side in the 1930s.
Tenzing also took part in other climbs in various parts of the Indian subcontinent, and for a time in the early 1940s he lived in what is now Pakistan; he said that the most difficult climb he ever took part in was on Nanda Devi East, where a number of people were killed.
In 1947, he took part in an unsuccessful summit attempt. An eccentric Englishman Earl Denman, Ange Dawa Sherpa, and himself entered Tibet illegally to attempt the mountain; the attempt ended when a strong storm at 22,000 feet pounded them. Denman admitted defeat and all three turned around and safely returned.
In 1952, he took part in two Swiss expeditions led by Raymond Lambert, the first serious attempts to climb Everest from the southern Nepalese side, during which he and Lambert reached the then record height of 8,599 m (28,215 ft).
This guy have multiple expedition even before he summited the everest with Hillary.
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Post by dirtrat on May 18, 2006 11:43:42 GMT 8
and sherpas now are treated as professional some climber even required to equipt the sherpas and they are very well compensated....climbers give them a livelihood i remember one of peter haballer's climb to K2 he employed 200 guides not necessarily sherpas ha..
tenzing even have a climbing school in darjeling in kathmandu his son manage it.
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Post by joes on May 18, 2006 11:45:34 GMT 8
@warlock - semantics. don't go by the dictionary meaning. sherpas (small "s" because Sherpas generally refer to the ethnic group, not the climbers) are economically challenged group of mountain guides and/or porters. just how much are these sherpas getting paid for their experience? i just hope they get more that what these climbers are getting but i doubt that.
OT: LOL. Wikipedia.
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Post by Ben Dover on May 18, 2006 12:01:41 GMT 8
OT: riding your expensive american brand, taiwanese made frames oppresses those factory workers...oh! wearing nike too..heard of how much they paid jordan..more than daw sa i year salary ng buong factory ng nike sa malasia (?)..same rin sa adidas, shimano etc. toyota phils kaya? ...alam ko may labor case yan eh.
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Post by joes on May 18, 2006 12:05:39 GMT 8
OT: sorry dude. i'm no hypocrite. i ride a taiwan designed and made bike. check their website out. full of engrish. i don't buy overpriced stuff. i'm a cheapasre mofo. hehehe.
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Post by warlock^_^ on May 18, 2006 12:09:05 GMT 8
hahaha now lets get back to the topic....
again! Hope they make back safely...I mean all of them Pinoy, climbers, press, supports, mga sabit hehehe.
joes: yeah wiki... nice site, shortens the google time hehehe.
now about the Starbucks is the coffee really that good there? Only visited the place 3 times... and cant see any difference.
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Post by ronaldarca on May 18, 2006 12:10:16 GMT 8
joes, lighten up anyway, it feels good that as a nation, by the power of these climbers, we are one. just like romy said, its not a race. anyway its a Filipino that gets there, we're carry the same colors up there how we wish they could join with our trail rides
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Post by joes on May 18, 2006 12:12:09 GMT 8
yeah. i'm just teasing anyway. let's end the arguement now.
pinoys rule everest... with the help of properly compensated sherpas.
now let's go vandalize some starbucks.
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Post by warlock^_^ on May 18, 2006 12:16:05 GMT 8
no harm done bros.... we just had different perspectives. But one thing I'm sure...we all love bikes! errr joes your into this too right?
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Post by joes on May 18, 2006 12:17:35 GMT 8
shempre. hehehe. the forum is just a way to kill time between rides.
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Post by Ben Dover on May 18, 2006 12:26:06 GMT 8
but joes made me think...magkano nga ba binabayad nila sa sherpas? hirap na trabaho yun ah..but its a good thing they never forget to mention the names of sherpas involved...they should receive proper recognition.
yup, mabuhay ang mga pinoy at sherpas!!
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Post by warlock^_^ on May 18, 2006 13:45:19 GMT 8
Actually Tolits, in our news dailies they're not named but to Everest News the Sirdars or head sherpas always get to be mentioned. Since he's the big boss of the group...he choose the 2nd in command down to the cook, to supports who shuttle stuff from town to the Base camp. And payrates vary on every job specially if they have summited multiple times na. I suggest read the book Into Thin Air by Jon Krakauer. but joes made me think...magkano nga ba binabayad nila sa sherpas? hirap na trabaho yun ah..but its a good thing they never forget to mention the names of sherpas involved...they should receive proper recognition. yup, mabuhay ang mga pinoy at sherpas!!
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Post by kulot_salot on May 18, 2006 14:30:22 GMT 8
My late response: 1. I think credit is given where it is due… tenzing norgay is also recognized as one of the first summiteers of everest… he is the one posing for the photo ops… not hillary… hillary shot the photo…
2. Tenzing norgay was recognized by the british expedition as having the greatest experience on everest cuz he have been on 3 attempts before the successful 1953 climb… that’s why they took him in the expedition… his climb before 1953 was short for about, I think, 500 meters or less…
3. I think they (Sherpas) are not oppressed… they are very much well-compensated on every expedition… I think its 4 or 5 times the ‘annual’ average salary of a class-A Nepalese individual for one climbing season only… after the climbing season, they go back to what is naturally their lifestyle, like us Filipinos, they are farmers… presently, many Sherpas are climbing instructors and guides in many Himalayan outfitters…
4. An attempt/climb have been very well made without the assistance of sherpas in the past… but think about this, climbing creates jobs for them… so, not getting their services will hurt them more than hiring them… see them (Sherpas) as Swiss climbing guides… guiding climbs as their primary source of living, the difference is the Swiss are white…
5. There are many ethic tribes in Nepal/Tibet/India who wants a piece of the Sherpas pay, so they bring down the cost to a exaggerated low, however they are not very well-versed in the portage, guiding, or climbing, hiring them is a bad choice, so this is when accidents happen… the ‘low’ payment and the accident will make us perceive them (generally, Sherpas, which they are not) as oppressed…
6. Additional… oppression, I think, is in the eye of the beholder… see it at this angle: they (any race for that matter) are oppressed if they have no money or income… if a capitalist make jobs for them, they see themselves as not anymore oppressed… we think Chinese or Taiwanese are oppressed people because they work in a factory for a month (+) straight, but what we don’t know is that when they have their vacation is that they are like kings or royalties when they return to their families… they bring home the BIG bacon… the sad thing is Filipinos are working now in China, Taiwan, Korea, etc… but they are what we call the present heroes of our country… Filipinos without job or money here in the Philippines is where I think the term oppressed applies…
7. I hope my explanation clears some issue… I hope…
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Post by fullspeed on May 18, 2006 16:16:57 GMT 8
Guys - question lang ... I heard the good news on AM radio (radio630) yesterday that Mr. Leo Oracion was the first Pinoy to reach the summit. However, after a few minutes after the interview with the crew there, someone (I think the wife) called to say that a certain Dale - also Pinoy - reached the summit also last May 15... I know everyone is saying that it is not really important who was first... but for the record sino ba talaga ang first?
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