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Post by cheenky on Jun 15, 2006 13:54:02 GMT 8
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Post by cheenky on Jun 15, 2006 13:54:35 GMT 8
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Post by maxbuwaya on Jun 15, 2006 14:50:23 GMT 8
those are very nice cheenky, reminds me of the movie "Singles" hehehehe
anyway its a good plan, but usually the govt or the politician would focus on how many jobs will it produce how many would jobs will be lost. Politicians think like this, not for the sake of the people but for for the sake of their vote.
Well its good plan you guys are into and i am into that
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Post by cheenky on Jun 15, 2006 15:10:29 GMT 8
i suppose it is a big factor. and one that has to be considered by the government for this project. the last thing we want is a broken network of bus rapid transits in Metro Manila! informal discussions on the BRT involves Makati City, Taguig City, Ayala Land Inc. and Fort Bonifacio Corp. for the pilot phase. a memorandum of cooperation among the four parties has yet to be signed though. the BRT pre-feasibility study for Metro Manila is also ongoing and set to be concluded very soon. we're also waiting for the Department of Transportation and Communictions (DOTC) to get a move-on in creating a technical working group on BRT (BRT-TWG). i'd be happy to relay whatever feedbacks you have on this project
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Post by maxbuwaya on Jun 19, 2006 14:58:46 GMT 8
how bout those buses in EDSA? Clair de fuente seems a tough leader.
"Mukhang malakas ang Kapit"
in english
Face Strong the grip
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Post by magixuser on Jul 5, 2006 10:50:47 GMT 8
As long as there are designated bus stops, and no one will just load/unload unless its a designated stop. Filipinos passengers/drivers are used to stopping a bus/jeepney whereever they like. That causes jams on the roads. Now, if there are a regular timed interval bus with designated stop the MMDA wont have a hard time patrolling and policing the roads.
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Post by humberjet on Jul 5, 2006 10:58:46 GMT 8
im proud with the jeep but not the driver
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Post by arcireyes on Jul 5, 2006 11:41:25 GMT 8
the jeepney is the representation of the filipino character, positive or otherwise.
positive in the sense that it typifies the pinoy character of ingenuity, imagine converting all those WWII junks into something useful, until it finally evolved into those decorative transports that somehow made a pinoy identity with some tourism value.
it also represents the pinoy character of doing things small (tingi-tingi) it seems that it does good with the retail business (i.e. auto load, shampoo in sachet, cheezwhiz, bar soaps and what not) but not with an efficient mass transport system. it also typifies the pinoy character (not all ha) of laziness....wants to ride on something that let's him alight on the exact spot that he/she wants to (the reason why during the early runs of the mrt, you hear a lot of commuters mumbling on why they have to build the mrt very high that they have to climb stairs, why the stops are too far from their destinations....blah...blah...blah).
but i believe the jeepney has outlived it's usefullness particularly in metro manila. with the metropolis ever growing population (of people and vehicles) and limited road networks, what the metro need is an efficient mass transport system like this one you are proposing, if only to lessen the pollution, vehicle volume, and improving efficiency and better road traffic management.
even with it's sentimental value, okay lang that jeepneys have to go to be replaced by this BRT.
perhaps it may also make the road safer for bikers.
my opinion lang po!
cheers.
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Post by fullspeed on Jul 5, 2006 11:52:55 GMT 8
the jeepney is the representation of the filipino character, positive or otherwise. positive in the sense that it typifies the pinoy character of ingenuity, imagine converting all those WWII junks into something useful, until it finally evolved into those decorative transports that somehow made a pinoy identity with some tourism value. it also represents the pinoy character of doing things small (tingi-tingi) it seems that it does good with the retail business (i.e. auto load, shampoo in sachet, cheezwhiz, bar soaps and what not) but not with an efficient mass transport system. it also typifies the pinoy character (not all ha) of laziness....wants to ride on something that let's him alight on the exact spot that he/she wants to (the reason why during the early runs of the mrt, you hear a lot of commuters mumbling on why they have to build the mrt very high that they have to climb stairs, why the stops are too far from their destinations....blah...blah...blah). but i believe the jeepney has outlived it's usefullness particularly in metro manila. with the metropolis ever growing population (of people and vehicles) and limited road networks, what the metro need is an efficient mass transport system like this one you are proposing, if only to lessen the pollution, vehicle volume, and improving efficiency and better road traffic management. even with it's sentimental value, okay lang that jeepneys have to go to be replaced by this BRT. perhaps it may also make the road safer for bikers. my opinion lang po! cheers. Very well said sir
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Post by Bikester on Jul 5, 2006 12:18:28 GMT 8
MRt and Lrt are still the best for mass transport,I hope they add more route for this trains,As for the Bus....well if the drivers are undiscipline, it will create the same effect as what the jeepneys are doing right now.
my opinion lang
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Post by boyet on Jul 25, 2006 20:44:18 GMT 8
jeepney.....hmm... just a another way around to be proud of but need to be phase out before our own health suffocate of its existing.
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Post by anshwa on Jul 25, 2006 21:29:24 GMT 8
Make take on this. The jeepney is something to be proud of.
Someone said something about this discussion could go from jeepneys to politics, economics, etc., etc. It's true. But let's be specific so as not to go all over the place.
First thing's first. Implementation. If our law enforcers (incl. the LTO - LTO pa nga ba???)could only implement the existing laws pertaining to transportation, the jeepney wouldn't be such a problem. Imagine how much traffic would be eased & how many drivers would be forced to keep their jeeps maintained. For instance, if the enforcers could only stop jeepneys from cutting their trips & actually keep to the route, traffic wouldn't even be half as bad. Now, the argument that the drivers do not have the money to maintain their source of income is BS. To an extent, sure. But we Filipinos always find a way to make things better - why is it different w/ jeepney drivers. Besides, if you could spend hundreds of pesos drinking sa kanto, how could you not spend hundreds of pesos on your livelihood.
Second, yes, there should be alternatives to the jeepney. But the government has to take into consideration improving on the jeepney while "planning" on the alternatives. Speaking of w/c, the government should first figure out how to provide a means to make it easier for drivers to transform "not-so-beat-up" jeepneys to better ones before they could go full blow on the alternatives.
Lastly, like it or not, the jeepney is part of our culture, our image. Think about it. As a person, would you change who you are or would you rather improve on who you are?
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Post by weekendrider on Jul 26, 2006 3:51:23 GMT 8
Jeepney is something in our culture that needs to go. Same thing with tricycles. What we need are mass transportation that accomodate bikes. But will jeepneys going away, no. The problem is jobs for jeepney driver that's going to get affected. Also as someone has stated previously, the vote for politician will also be afffected. Another problem are very narrow street.
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Post by anshwa on Jul 26, 2006 4:31:03 GMT 8
Exactly, man. You massively get rid of jeepneys & where do the drivers go? Not all of them would be able to drive the new mass transportation everyone's talking about such as buses or trains. Who'll give them jobs?
You also mentioned narrow streets. That's another thing. Instead of getting rid of these jeepneys, whatever happened to public infrastructure planning? For instance (& I'm not trying to sound like a pro-western country Indio - pure observation lang), here in the US they don't get rid of vehicles on the streets, they have better planning on public roads & highways. Now, while the Philippines does not have the same land area, the principle behind the way they plan is what's important. And that planning is highly connected to implementation of traffic laws & standards. You think New York City does not have the same traffic problems as the Manila? It does, but taxi drivers follow traffic rules & keep to the maintenance standards for their vehicles.
I would, however, agree to start limiting the number of jeepeneys registered in a year to slowly control the number w/c coincides w/ the introduction of new mass transportation. But getting rid of it? I don't think that's very realistic. Improve on it - that's realistic & a tad idealistic.
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Post by nell7806 on May 17, 2007 15:56:51 GMT 8
Bottom line...
DISCIPLINE... Law Enforcement...
start with this 2...
I must be dreaming again... need to go back to my bed... wrong place to wake up...
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Post by ussprinceton2004 on Aug 17, 2007 0:04:40 GMT 8
send all the Jeepneys to Qatar, including the drivers
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Post by enzo on Aug 19, 2007 17:48:39 GMT 8
send all the Jeepneys to Qatar, including the drivers Qatar wont take them.
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Post by glockbiker on Aug 24, 2007 17:31:43 GMT 8
I think the jeepney should go- at least in big cities like Metro Manila, Cebu, Davao, etc.
In developed countries, 90% of city commuters rely on trains everyday. On the street, there are only buses and taxis.
Jeepneys are simply not efficient for mass transport in a dense urban setting. They would be more useful for small municipalities in the provinces.
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Post by donfacundo on Aug 24, 2007 18:02:50 GMT 8
what does drivers in subic and clark differ from the metro... they have disciplines because of cthe strict implementation of the laws and no one accepts bribes from the law enforcers... all systems go...
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Post by oceanrider88 on Sept 23, 2007 21:39:49 GMT 8
would prefer to see updated versions of jeepneys - like airconditioned ones or even have them built the size of buses fitted with TVs. We cant do without the jeepney - that is part of the tourist attraction - we just have to improve them - and discipline the drivers.
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Post by wcoastbo on Oct 5, 2007 4:11:12 GMT 8
I never paid much attention to this thread when it first started . Now that it's 3 pages long it caught my attention.
Max, in his cunning humor and infinite wisdom, purposefully made his opening post rife for the larger discussion of society, culture, politics, economics, transportation, etc, even as he asked a specific question (even though I contradict you anshwa, i greatly respect your opinions).
I quickly read through the 3 pages and believe everyone is correct, there are no wrong statements. How can everyone be right, even though many contradict each other? Because, the Jeepney seems to be a contradiction in itself. yes, the design is old and outdated, yet this decades old contraption is still useful and thus keeps resurrecting itself from technological death. Everyone hates it, yet society needs it. In a modernizing city, it's a symbol of the past and how the city and country overcame great hardship. How do you get rid of such a divisive, yet symbolic icon?
Instead you sell toy replicas on the street corner and make a buck on unsuspecting tourists who have never been inside one ;D ;D
Sorry, I have no real answers, only contradictions. I do believe we can be proud of its origins. The jeepney is a part of our history (as arci points out, positive and negative aspects)... for all it has done for the people in the past and how much it's now holding us back from moving into the future.
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Post by rednose on Dec 1, 2007 19:06:59 GMT 8
what can you say about these? ;D ;D ;D toyota hilux?dmax?
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Post by Patrick on Dec 1, 2007 21:13:17 GMT 8
That Hilux is in front of the Iloilo Provincial Capitol? ...and that DMax is in Molo? Hehe Jaro Liko jeeps have come a long way...used to be that route is for jeepney-jalopy.
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Post by trance03 on Dec 1, 2007 22:48:05 GMT 8
the jeepney at this point in time may have lost its value as the embodiment of filipino creativity.It looks more like the epitome of our cultural stagnation and complacency....maybe one of the clear manifestations of the government's uncaring true intentions on the plight of the country.... our auto making industry HAS NOT MOVED designwise and technologywise because it doesnt get enough support from the gov't. we were once called indios by the spanish sardines as they exploited us.....i beleive we still get exploited but now with its our kapwa pinoys doing it. puchaks. 'talk about us going to the khangkhungkernitz.... If we scrap the jeepneys,,,,at least in the traffic congested places in the country....we'll be better off and the cost of diesel may go down.fuel consumption efficiency will be a lot better too. and most of all.... ha?its my turn on the mike now?...wait.... paorder pa ng mani at berr....hehehe hik.
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Post by rednose on Dec 2, 2007 19:35:07 GMT 8
That Hilux is in front of the Iloilo Provincial Capitol? ...and that DMax is in Molo? Hehe Jaro Liko jeeps have come a long way...used to be that route is for jeepney-jalopy. u got the 1st one right but the 2nd pic is in jaro, in front of shell gas station near the "lunok"...sir patrick, u from around here? there is even a jeep going the "oton" route that looks like a ferrari formula 1 car! complete with decals and all..i'll go to stalker mode to have a pic of that jeep..
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Post by Patrick on Dec 2, 2007 20:19:44 GMT 8
We have a house there but I seldom come to Iloilo hehe
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Post by anthrax76 on Dec 3, 2007 13:11:23 GMT 8
hmm...i missed these when i went to iloilo....
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Post by glockbiker on Dec 5, 2007 11:49:28 GMT 8
cheenkyOur officials seem to have very, very short memories. Before the EDSA MRT came into being, it was a BRT system that was being touted as the feasible alternative to it. Columnist Neil Cruz even spent a good deal of Phil. Inquirer ink and paper pushing for the Volvo BRT and maligning the MRT. Boy, did he eat his own words! BRTs are not vastly superior to trains here in Metro Manila because to be efficient, they also need a dedicated RIGHT OF WAY. That translates to taking away a lane (next to the islands )on each side. They can't use the outermost lanes because that would mean boxing out regular buses and cars. How many major thoroughfares in MManila can spare a lane on each side? Commonwelth Ave. probably. But even there, only a train is deemed suitable- for the long term. But putting BRTs at street level means they would have to deal with floods- the bane of MManila's streets (not to mention other road hazards like stupid drunk truck drivers). The only way to avoid floods is for it to have its own elevated road system. This, plus the under/aboveground stations will push the infrastructure cost up. Well, if you had to build that, might as well make one for a train system. The trains may be more expensive than BRT buses but they are arguably more durable and carry more passengers per trip, per day. Also, a three-car train with a crush capacity of say, 1,000 passengers needs only one driver/engineer. How many bus drivers do you need to move the same number of passengers? Just my two centavos.
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Post by sdny on Dec 5, 2007 16:08:41 GMT 8
i just rode those jeepney's in bacolod the one with the hilux/d-max type of jeepney, the problem with those transpo, mababa ang roof. so medyo unconfortable and seating position ng mga passengers, the designed is aero dynamic not like the sarao is a box type jeep.....so when i had my vacation in bacolod or iloilo i'd prefer the sarao type of jeep for atleast the roof is not near your head tip.....
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Post by Patrick on Dec 5, 2007 18:17:57 GMT 8
but you gotta love the way they wait for the passenger to sit down before going.
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