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Post by BrusKO on May 4, 2006 10:03:44 GMT 8
Brusko, I'll take that 20yr. old car if you don't mind. ;D Not meaning to be harsh, but the problem is darn pollution and traffic. We are just SO used to this system that it is very hard to adjust to anything else. pedicabs and tricycles are just band aids to the jeepneys unwanted route. Mass transit is the main key, how about the provinces you say? that's another issue when you got other important cities that are not connected to Manila. heck, let's start off with Manila first. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....... after 10minutes of thinking, besides the jeepney issue, we should start off with the population one instead. ok, i'll shut my trap now. Nice starlet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Exactly. We can go on and on about this and I bet this would boil down to something far from our topic. Population, education, government system... this would be best discussed over bottles of beer! Starlet? Asan yun Starlet? Diba ikaw may starlet?
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Post by roxio on May 4, 2006 11:02:15 GMT 8
jeepney we can be proud of but the jeepney drivers not very much...
also, they don't put many displays like horses in our jeepneys like they do in the postcards....
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Post by woofers on May 4, 2006 11:59:21 GMT 8
my opinon: if only drivers are disciplined, if only passengers are responsible enough, if only operators maintain enough, if only traffic enforcers enforce enough... i don't think there would be any health/physical hazards. So a jeepney, with its big, open windows, doorless rear, sardine seating, and tin-can construction is safe? How about the driver, who has limited visibility AND has to double as conductor -- constantly reaching back for passenger's fare, doling out change, counting heads to make sure he's got the max number of passengers? Please. Car manufacturers spend millions of dollars designing and crash-testing their passenger cars before selling them to the public. Their design engineers are concerned with safety, jeepney manufacturers are not. In the UK, taxi cabs must pass stringent safety and quality standards -- including having a maximum turning circle, maximum step height, and wheelchair accessibility. We've got jeepneys that are so long they need to take up 2 lanes to make a turn. Jeepneys should be phased out. Unfortunately nobody has the political will to do what is necessary.
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Post by quiesledaddy on May 4, 2006 12:07:32 GMT 8
Is there a prominent politician out there that rides and checks out PinoyMTBiker? Problems of the country can be solved just by reading through PinoyMTBiker !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by warlock^_^ on May 4, 2006 12:29:56 GMT 8
we have long way to go for this.... but seems we're struggling on. Mass transit is gradually being improved and expand its coverage (trains). Traffic inforcement like done by MMDA is getting everyones nerves meaning they're that effective. Most of the countries went thru the same path, japan was really polluted, it wouldnt be easy. But we will reach that. Lets get our hopes up brus, nice eng-eng you got there.
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Post by quiesledaddy on May 4, 2006 12:35:49 GMT 8
wow, imagine the Philippines by then, foreigners fighting just to buy a piece of land !!! HOPE
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Post by rob on May 4, 2006 12:40:02 GMT 8
ei Brusko, i would gladly take car of your trash for you... hehe
it's not really the "pwede na yan" mentality" it's more of economics. Jeepney drivers can't really maintain their vehicles let alone improve/ modify the contraption.
@ jovel, you seem to like "Jeepney art" (as my art theory proff. would call this type of design study) ! hehe
I still vote for the relic to be brought to a museum pa rin.
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Post by bikeman on May 4, 2006 13:08:32 GMT 8
ok i was wrong about the indian brands. we're way behind them in the automotive industry. i also remember we're importing cng buses from india. but i swear the documentary was from india, maybe from the remote countryside few years ago there was this media hype about the discovery of natural gas in malampaya, i remember they were saying this would dramatically decrease our dependence in imported fuel. i dont see it up to now. what are they doing to maximize the use of it? maybe, they dont tell us.
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Post by maxbuwaya on May 4, 2006 14:18:20 GMT 8
wow, imagine the Philippines by then, foreigners fighting just to buy a piece of land !!! HOPE HOPE "The largest selling luxury cigarettes"
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Post by warlock^_^ on May 4, 2006 14:32:36 GMT 8
Cheenky posted on some threads related to this, my company as well presented the studies to the government in the use of CNG or compressed natural gas, and been pursuing it ever since. Dunno the feedback but seems we received a lukewarm interest for this. Guess they have someone else in mind to give the project to. If I remember right there's a bus or taxi fleet who's operating using this kind of fuel. Well Oil companies wont really be jumping to this project if they think they can make the most of the crude oil price fluctuation. Check the Inqmoney section...the big 3 presented significant profit this year. CNG Bus from ChinaNatural Gas Vehicle Development in the PhilippinesDOE SIGNS DEAL WITH SYNERGY FOR CNG INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENTNatural Gas Utilization in Transportaccording to the study, NGV conversion kit cost around 25,000~30,000 pesos.
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Post by maxbuwaya on May 4, 2006 15:03:47 GMT 8
Cheenky posted on some threads related to this, my company as well presented the studies to the government in the use of CNG or compressed natural gas, and been pursuing it ever since. Dunno the feedback but seems we received a lukewarm interest for this. Guess they have someone else in mind to give the project to. If I remember right there's a bus or taxi fleet who's operating using this kind of fuel. Well Oil companies wont really be jumping to this project if they think they can make the most of the crude oil price fluctuation. Check the Inqmoney section...the big 3 presented significant profit this year. CNG Bus from ChinaNatural Gas Vehicle Development in the PhilippinesDOE SIGNS DEAL WITH SYNERGY FOR CNG INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENTNatural Gas Utilization in Transportaccording to the study, NGV conversion kit cost around 25,000~30,000 pesos. Maybe its royalty, big loss for US company like Shell caltex if we were use that thing you are saying. Plus politicians might have a big share in the oil business .
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Post by warlock^_^ on May 8, 2006 20:43:14 GMT 8
continuing....
DoE lists 3 more Chinese companies likely to invest in CNG facilities here
By MYRNA M. VELASCO
At least two to three more Chinese firms are being eyed by the Department of Energy (DoE) to invest in compressed natural gas facilities in the country.
But DoE director Mario C. Marasigan noted that the project proposals are still being evaluated, "we need more documentation from them."
Since these are not formally considered as parties yet, the energy official stressed that he is constrained from divulging their identities at this point.
If ever, these expected investments will add up to earlier proposals by another Chinese consortium Synergy; US-based firm Callandra and the plan of Korean firm Samsung Heavy Industries Co. to tie up with Philippine National Oil Company for a CNG mother-daughter facility.
Synergy for one has committed 0-million investment; but implementation has yet to take off.
"Synergy already has a business plan," Marasigan said. Its feasibility study was due March 1 this year. Covered in its proposed project blueprint are CNG refueling system that includes mother-daughter refilling stations, mobile refueling facility and other facilities as deemed necessary.
With the astronomical rise in global oil prices, the government is pushing ahead the implementation of its self-devised natural gas fuel shift for public transport.
The pilot CNG mother-daughter stations with integrated refilling facilities have already been facing delays in commercial operation schedule.
To position natural gas for long-term use of the transport sector, it was noted that more advanced infrastructure should also be set in place, such as pipelines, to support the program.
The promotion and increased utilization of alternative transport fuels such as natural gas is all in keeping with the government’s goal to lessen the country’s dependence on imported fuel; especially at the regime of surging global oil prices.
The energy department takes in the responsibility of providing assistance in the preparation of relevant study on the viability of investments in the Natural GasVehicle Program for Public Transport (NGVPPT). Department Circular No. 2004-04-004 provides tha( participants in the government-devised NGVPPT are required to file an application for certificate of accreditation (CA) fromthe DoE.
Qualified applicants can be categorized as either engaged in the manufacturing or assembly,operation, retrofit or conversion and CNG refueling station operation for natural gas-fired vehicles.
The DoE also previously issued Department Circular No. 2005-07-006 setting open access to the naturalgas sourced or produced from future or existing petroleum service contracts such as the Malampaya andthe San Antonio, Isabela gas fields.
Upon commissioning of theanticipated motherdaughter CNG refueling station by Shell Philippines, at least 200 buses fueled by natural gas are expected to ply the ManilaBatangas and Manila-Laguna route. (MMV)
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Post by gilbs72 on May 9, 2006 18:02:21 GMT 8
It's time the Jeepney is "re-invented" if we really believe they are to stay. They have to conform to various safety standards in design and operation. All vehicles were at one point in their existence considered "revolutionary" but later on needed updating or phasing out ("up or out"). All cars needed phasing out... even the Beetle which was relatively well engineered had to be phased out after many years. Let's face it, the jeepney never moved forward significantly enough to keep with the times. Maybe we need a NEW JEEPNEY design. One that hopefully has proper head- and tail-lights, seatbelts, airbags, comfortable and safe seats, emergency exits, ABS, crumple zones, large lami-safe windshields and windows where the passengers can actually see where to get off and vendo-type coin and bill machines. Cupholders? But then again, the current AUVs already have these features covered.
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Post by jedi on May 15, 2006 9:45:38 GMT 8
here in tacloban it's our way of public transportation. we also have tricycles and multicabs. if this jeeps are well maintained and drivers ae not reckless i guess it's something that we should be proud of. and for people who don't have their own vehicles, they enjoy or hate it. they don't have a choice but it's part of their lives already.
mabuhay ang jeepney?
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Post by warlock^_^ on May 15, 2006 10:11:52 GMT 8
Well...it still is generally used... Davao, Cebu or M.M. it's still the major mode of transport for everyone, not only to those who dont have cars but to those avoiding the traffic as well. It's I guess the enforcement of our laws thats lacking, IF traffics laws are enforced, IF vehicle safety laws are enforced, IF vehicle emission control are enforced and other related directives for this. Guess if those were enforced, this jeepneys/drivers might might have evolved to something we really desire. Best thing so far is to enforce this among ourselves, gradually this might rub off to someone.... it maybe slow but we're going there. Tapos... migrate pala target ;D ;D ;D here in tacloban it's our way of public transportation. we also have tricycles and multicabs. if this jeeps are well maintained and drivers ae not reckless i guess it's something that we should be proud of. and for people who don't have their own vehicles, they enjoy or hate it. they don't have a choice but it's part of their lives already. mabuhay ang jeepney?
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Post by jedi on May 15, 2006 11:01:23 GMT 8
hehe ya i hope this laws are well implemented..... mabuhay ang jeepney!
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Post by maxbuwaya on May 27, 2006 13:59:53 GMT 8
all am saying is jeepney still something to be sold at souvenir shop for foreigners? do we really have to sell tehm as a tourist attraction?
Banning the jeep is a bad idea.
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Post by janix on May 27, 2006 14:28:35 GMT 8
all am saying is jeepney still something to be sold at souvenir shop for foreigners? do we really have to sell tehm as a tourist attraction? as i said, we are famous for it. back in Qatar, you'd see advertisments of Qatar Airways having the jeep, and Filipinos there are proud of it. Qatar Airways even brought a jeepney they specially made by Sarao in promotion of their direct flight to Cebu, and all the people their, Qataris and others are so amazed of that contraption. We filiipinos there are proud of showing them the jeep, but we were not proud of the work of Sarao, it was nice on the outside, but on the inside it looked like ordinary.
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Post by maxbuwaya on May 31, 2006 16:38:10 GMT 8
and Qatar doesnt know what they are doing hehehe until they live and see here
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Post by xfire on Jun 2, 2006 14:03:09 GMT 8
first off, great startlet secondly, is the jeepney something to be proud off? sure it is.....if its the last thing on earth and inside a museum. the jeepney per se is not at fault, but everything else around it, is. there is no economics for the jeepney, ie. there is no depreciation, you can't put proper acounting principles into it. as a means of transportation....well....it gets you there but...you get exposed to health hazzards, pollution and all that. the jeepney drivers, contribute the an undisciplined bunch, they don't use headlights, if they do, its only one light!!! and don't forget the corruption with the cops. the manufacturers definitely didn't improve on it since ww2, except for increasing the seating capacity. jeepneys contribute to traffic...need i elaborate?
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Post by puregutz on Jun 2, 2006 14:28:13 GMT 8
Are jeepneys something to be proud of? YES OFCOURSE! Regardless of whether they were created from junk left by the americans, its still unique to the Philippines.
Crude and inefficient it may be, i think the present design should be preserved. Like historic artifacts, it our link to the past. 20-30 years from now, new automobile techs will be developed, I would hate to see the jeepneys phased out.
Maybe it should be limited to some roads or specific uses only but not totally phased out. Probably used as some sort of tourist transport to and from tourist spot in the Philippines.
Love your own... Pinoys the best!
Although I coudn't say the same thing for jeepney drivers.
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Post by kulot_salot on Jun 14, 2006 13:22:09 GMT 8
Ok, here's the thing, have anyone of you here looked closely at the route franchise/permit of jeepneys? You can very well see that the franchise is in 'black & white' stated as temporary... as in, the government doesn’t know what to do with the public transportation in the Philippines... this 'temporary' thing for the jeepney franchise have run for more than many years, not 5, not 10, but since the jeepney was born... that was after ww2! so, to conclude, if ever the government plans a better public transport, jeepney routes will be phased-out entirely... the problem is... our government doesn’t know what to replace the jeepney with...
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Post by mountguitars on Jun 14, 2006 16:51:44 GMT 8
in my opinion, we can be proud of jeepneys if they are brandnew. after a couple of years (if not months), they start to cough up black exhaust, hehe.
the drivers are even worse. they cause traffic jams and accidents. super bagal pa (with some exceptions). and they even stop at their own will unlike in other countries where public transport systems are structured, ours is lightyears away.
of course we can still be proud of jeepneys to some degree. but if the foreigners stay here that long, i think they'd stop to appreciate the beauty in jeepneys.
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Post by polpan on Jun 15, 2006 13:30:55 GMT 8
Phase out those jeepneys? well, replace those jeepneys with much effective way of transportation and much cheaper in terms of fares.... for us who rely on this transportation too will have a very big effect on us... it's the driver to be replaced not the jeeps..... and always think your vehicles and those jeepneys are both pollutants too...
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Post by cheenky on Jun 15, 2006 13:50:24 GMT 8
very interesting. this is the first time i've actually surfed through the threads in PinoyMTBiker and it's fascinating to see how people feel strongly about topics of this sort pala. let me introduce you to a new concept that we are proposing to improve transport system in Metro Manila (and maybe eventually phasing out jeepneys). it's called the Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) system. This was first introduced by the Mayor of Bogota, Colombia who happened to face the same dilemma in his city. Three (or two?) years ago, he was here in a forum in ADB talking about how he felt transport planning in his city made a great impact on the quality of life of his people
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