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Post by sabretooth on Sept 1, 2005 17:48:17 GMT 8
sorry for the title...but this just in...
Supreme Court upholds the legality of EVAT LAW!!!
all the more reason for the MMDA to push thru with that bike lanes thingie!
grrrrrr!!! now that Gloria seemed to have gotten out of the political turmoil alive...the impeachment shot down, garci is now abroad... and world oil prices are rocketing sky high because of the aftermath of the storm in the gulf of mexico, they give us this evat. how very very cute mrs president.
sorry for the outburst. im just so sad. disappointed.
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Post by Eikichi on Sept 1, 2005 21:50:21 GMT 8
Ey dont feel bad dude, its inevitable, were heading that way either. arent you glad you still have your bike. whew were in the eve of the doomsday. whew goodluck guys
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Post by anthrax76 on Sept 2, 2005 8:47:53 GMT 8
frankly, i don't know what to expect from the government anymore, they keep thinking of easy inflow of cash, which is e-vat. i still remember that there was this news that you'd have to register your car for 3 years in one go. i mean, what if the car is wrecked the following day after registration, poor dude/dudette, 3 years worth of registration down the drain. i don't know if the goverment supports exporters. i know that we are heavy importers, just look at the grocery store.....we're relying mostly on OFW $$$ to bring the money in. i don't know much on of short-middle-long term of financing the government but hey. one thing i noticed, whoever is the president is, they have a veeeery looooong convoy with a lot of gas guzzling vehicles. i don't know if that much security is required though
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duldog
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Post by duldog on Sept 2, 2005 9:14:51 GMT 8
life's like that! we at the lower end of the society will surely carry the brunt of these things and there is no salary increase. the rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer
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Post by otep on Sept 2, 2005 9:24:33 GMT 8
expect the price per barrel to increase because of the recent catastrophe in u.s.
what else to expect... after EVAT LAW.... incerease...incerease...incerease............. in all petroleum products.... d@mn
di lang pala petroleum products.... LAHAT pala tataas except my salary
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Post by anthrax76 on Sept 2, 2005 9:41:48 GMT 8
where is it that i read about is 80-20 theory or something
80% of a country's wealth belongs to the upper 20% of the population.
one problem with our country is we can't stop relying on oil. we could use the sun, the earth's heat, the waves in the ocean to generate electricity. for automobiles, well if we had a really good public transport, hey if schedules are made for the MRT, LRT and buses, i think we can go a long way just saving something instead of relying on the EVAT.
come to think of it, can we deduct the amount of EVAT we pay in our income tax return?
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 2, 2005 9:51:35 GMT 8
as the old cliche goes.."there are only two things certain in life...death and taxes"....why don't we just make it three...lets add "and price increase" ...hehe! :-)
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Post by otep on Sept 2, 2005 9:54:01 GMT 8
i saw in tv that an insect such as roach and rodents ata etc. can be a source of electricity if mixed with..... i forgot... sorry ;D ;D
pero this is true i forgot lang the details...
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 2, 2005 10:10:13 GMT 8
i saw in tv that an insect such as roach and rodents ata etc. can be a source of electricity if mixed with..... i forgot... sorry ;D ;D pero this is true i forgot lang the details... the idea of a matrix was good after all...let the machines harness our energy and lets all live in a virtual world where everything is perfect..we cud pedal all day without getting tired and jump FR bikes from one building rooftop to another ;D hmm..look what frustration did to me
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Post by marcs on Sept 2, 2005 10:22:42 GMT 8
Or how about this . . . we put all the unemployed able-bodied people in this country, and put 'em all in a threadmill or stationary bike to run our power generators. yan ang renewable energy source! instead of wasting dollars importing crude oil, bayaran na lang natin human generators!
Just think, you solve several problems all at once: 1.) zero unemployement 2.) zero pollution from power generation 3.) improved health as a bonus, sa olympics guaranteed dami tayo ma-field sa marathon, kahit tour de france kaya natin! hehehehe
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Post by anthrax76 on Sept 2, 2005 10:35:48 GMT 8
ha ha ha go sir marcs!!!! i like that, at least they won't be idle. i don't think we'll run out of manpower for the next 50 years, he he he.
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Post by Eikichi on Sept 2, 2005 22:03:34 GMT 8
Or how about this . . . we put all the unemployed able-bodied people in this country, and put 'em all in a threadmill or stationary bike to run our power generators. yan ang renewable energy source! instead of wasting dollars importing crude oil, bayaran na lang natin human generators! Just think, you solve several problems all at once: 1.) zero unemployement 2.) zero pollution from power generation 3.) improved health as a bonus, sa olympics guaranteed dami tayo ma-field sa marathon, kahit tour de france kaya natin! hehehehe Ey I think in japan its already implemented theres one docu in NHK a boy in a bicycle and a TV beside it, electricity comes from the bike whew
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Post by lucban on Sept 4, 2005 20:09:13 GMT 8
E-Vat"its bad if you do and worst if you don't" We need to implement this law ASAP to get needed assistance "loan" from the World bank and to legitimize that we are part of the world economy.It hurts but we need to do it.
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 6, 2005 11:32:22 GMT 8
E-Vat"its bad if you do and worst if you don't" We need to implement this law ASAP to get needed assistance "loan" from the World bank and to legitimize that we are part of the world economy.It hurts but we need to do it. agreed, taxes in other countries are even higher...in england for example vat is more than 10%...as an accountant i just hope that we should simplify our tax system..different rates for different types of transactions...too complicated...kung simple lang yan it will be easier for BIR conduct audit...tax fraud by businessmen will be lessen.
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Post by marcs on Sept 6, 2005 12:56:13 GMT 8
Tanong ko lang, regarding personal income taxes, isn't Philippine system oversimplified? I mean, for us 8-5 workers, instand deducted kaagad ang tax by our employers. Walang bang way to claim for deductibles e.g. tuition fees, housing loan interest? E-Vat"its bad if you do and worst if you don't" We need to implement this law ASAP to get needed assistance "loan" from the World bank and to legitimize that we are part of the world economy.It hurts but we need to do it. agreed, taxes in other countries are even higher...in england for example vat is more than 10%...as an accountant i just hope that we should simplify our tax system..different rates for different types of transactions...too complicated...kung simple lang yan it will be easier for BIR conduct audit...tax fraud by businessmen will be lessen.
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Post by sabretooth on Sept 6, 2005 13:03:29 GMT 8
E-Vat"its bad if you do and worst if you don't" We need to implement this law ASAP to get needed assistance "loan" from the World bank and to legitimize that we are part of the world economy.It hurts but we need to do it. it really is not a problem if govt increases our tax...only if we see the results. it is true that in other countries like the US, they do pay bigger taxes but they get something out of it--efficient roads, comprehensive healthcare systems, etc. here, we are expected to pay bigger taxes while politicians and their families spend these for their own benefit. Much of the taxes coming from the people goes to kickbacks, payoffs, plane tickets to some exotic paradise island, luncheon meetings. Taxation is a social contract...we pay taxes, govt gives it back to us in another form--social security, protection, etc. It should not be a one way street. It's sad to think that I'm an honest tax payer, but when I need hospital care, the govt won't bat an eye at me while I wait in the emergency room of PGH.
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 6, 2005 13:39:35 GMT 8
Tanong ko lang, regarding personal income taxes, isn't Philippine system oversimplified? I mean, for us 8-5 workers, instand deducted kaagad ang tax by our employers. Walang bang way to claim for deductibles e.g. tuition fees, housing loan interest? for people earning pure compensation (employed) those expenses are not allowed as deduction..only personal and additional (on dependents) exemptions and certain amount of healthcare expense..kung isasama kasi yan might as well include all expenses which i think is also improper...wala ng matitira for taxation ;D even if you have a business those expenses are also not allowed...only business related ones. ok na yung personal income tax parin sa akin...i was refering to others taxes like capital gains, estate, w/taxes on income payments etc. iba iba ang rates...sobrang dami..if simplified the government can easily estimate what they should be collecting based on industry activity data..then madaling malaman kung nadadaya..i wouldnt mind paying all taxes due from me if lahat magbabayad...kadalasan kasi yung mga swelduhan tama ang bayad yung nagpapasweldo dehins at sana wag nilang nakawin yung nabayad natin.
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Post by marcs on Sept 6, 2005 14:57:31 GMT 8
[quote I'm an honest tax payer, but when I need hospital care, the govt won't bat an eye at me while I wait in the emergency room of PGH. speaking of institutions like PGH, what do you think about people who study in these institutions and then leave for the US immediately after graduation? It's not that I'm against looking for greener pastures anywhere, but institutions like the PGH are funded by our taxes. So I think those who graduate from there should be bound to serve for several years in the country first to give back what they got, or else pay back what the gov't spent for them (ala bond system ng Accenture, if you resign within 2 years of employment you have to pay them 100,000 pesos).
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Post by sworksmike on Sept 6, 2005 22:07:38 GMT 8
Nabasa ko sa rich dad poor dad, sabi ng author medyo may mali sa pagimplement ng taxes ng government. You put tax sa mga taong nagtatrabaho at nagsisipag para ibigay in return sa mga tambay at nagtatamadtamaran lang. Sabi nya nga na parang pinopromote pa ng government ang pagiging tamad while pinaparsahan ang taong masipag which I think somehow is true if you analyze it.
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Post by warlock^_^ on Sept 7, 2005 8:08:43 GMT 8
Nabasa ko sa rich dad poor dad, sabi ng author medyo may mali sa pagimplement ng taxes ng government. You put tax sa mga taong nagtatrabaho at nagsisipag para ibigay in return sa mga tambay at nagtatamadtamaran lang. Sabi nya nga na parang pinopromote pa ng government ang pagiging tamad while pinaparsahan ang taong masipag which I think somehow is true if you analyze it. cant agree more... oh! was exempted pala for 1.5 yrs ;D
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Post by marcs on Sept 7, 2005 8:19:26 GMT 8
And this is why local government can't touch squatters coz votes yan para kay mayor.
OT na pero one more thing I cannot comprehend is why the poor ay anak lang ng anak. I mean, don't they realize how difficult it is financially to raise kids? para bang they complain that they don't have food to feed their kids, eh ilang anak nila, 10! you'd think after the 3rd or 4th kid they'd think, 'oy, malaki na gastos natin, tama na' . . .
Sad thing is, these kids do not get good education, good nutrition, good values formation, and not able to get a good job also. minsan pinapatrabaho na kaagad, or worse papalimos sa daan
it just seems to defy commen sense. some say it's coz they have nothing better to do . . .? they think more kids would mean more chance someone will be successful and lift them out of poverty (the more entries you send the more chances of winning?)
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Post by anthrax76 on Sept 7, 2005 9:32:43 GMT 8
actually me and my wife has this theory why pinoys are losing logic and common sense. might go off topic with this one, sorry 1) instant noodles 2) freon if you notice, instant noodles is the staple food our countrymen below the poverty level. cheap, readily available, low nutrition. low nutrition = less brain power. sooo maybe they get driven by instincts on their day to day lives. with carnal pleasures they can get away with life, so just a meal to satisfy their stomach and...well night life, ergo kids galore, he he he. for freon, well i just thought of it one time when me and wifey were attending mass at greenbelt. the guard and maintenance guy told them not to use the garden as a way to the pavement, well a lot of people still used the garden to get out of church and go to the pavement. this got me thinking that if you are in an airconditioned office all day, and maybe air conditioned vehicle on the commute, then airconditioned house. you might not get a dose of reality anymore. so....freon guy thinks that all freon guys are working hard, they have enough earnings to pay for taxes, there goes evat. but he also thinks that instant noodles guy put him in office, sooo no taxes for them, he he he
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Post by lucban on Sept 7, 2005 10:42:36 GMT 8
E-Vat"its bad if you do and worst if you don't" We need to implement this law ASAP to get needed assistance "loan" from the World bank and to legitimize that we are part of the world economy.It hurts but we need to do it. it really is not a problem if govt increases our tax...only if we see the results. it is true that in other countries like the US, they do pay bigger taxes but they get something out of it--efficient roads, comprehensive healthcare systems, etc. here, we are expected to pay bigger taxes while politicians and their families spend these for their own benefit. Much of the taxes coming from the people goes to kickbacks, payoffs, plane tickets to some exotic paradise island, luncheon meetings. Taxation is a social contract...we pay taxes, govt gives it back to us in another form--social security, protection, etc. It should not be a one way street. It's sad to think that I'm an honest tax payer, but when I need hospital care, the govt won't bat an eye at me while I wait in the emergency room of PGH. brad. the problem is we're in a deep s---t!(sorry for the French).Our Govervent is running on red.Forget taxes that will give us social welfare/security,health care,protection etc...Taxes that will be collected in E vat is not enough to run our Govt. and will just end in Politicians pocket. E-Vat is a requirement to get the loan and investment we need to run our corrupt government and without this loan, our Govt. will colapse.Weather we like it or not, this is how things are in a third world country like us.
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Post by hellspawn on Sept 7, 2005 12:06:47 GMT 8
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Post by Bikester on Sept 7, 2005 19:40:34 GMT 8
For me i'm against e-vat,What the govt should do is find a better way of collecting tax from the evaders.and of course bawasan ang corruption.Eventually its the masa or end user who will shoulder the additional tax.
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Post by lsdbaby on Sept 7, 2005 20:22:02 GMT 8
another thing i'd like to offer for consideration is the role corruption plays.
assuming that there is no corruption, then there may be enough to actually maintain and grow our economy. however, corruption exists and continues to exist in various levels. even something as basic as getting clearances has some level of corruption. those streetlights on the islands have some form of corruption as well, given that the contracts are passed not necessarily to the lowest bidder.
everyone knows that the corruption is there - what should be considered is why corruption is still there, no matter what.
one theory (that i believe in) states that corruption exists because its functional - in short, it serves a purpose. in a country like ours, corruption serves the purpose of spreading wealth - some people are simply willing to pay for comfort (not having to line up or facilitation of their requirements), some are compensated under the table for granting contracts etc. in short, the money is there, it just goes around into different pockets and not necessarily into fixed roads or health care.
i lived in new york for a few years, and i paid taxes on EVERYTHING. i paid way more taxes than i ever did working here in manila.
but i never really minded - at least there, i could see my tax dollars at work. i could see the money being put into maintaining the streets, the public transportation. the security provided by cops walking around. it doesn't hurt so much when you see that its money well-spent.
here, however, i see my tax money being put to uses other than those intended. i see it everytime i see a vehicle with a number 8 or 10 on it. i can't even afford a vehicle. very painful to see that the money is being allocated towards things that aren't necessary.
with regard to "rich dad, poor dad" the author had very valid points re: rewarding the ones who are less industrious. i'll add though, that one other thing to consider is that the author lives in the united states, which has a welfare system and way better health care than we have. imagine getting fired and getting paid a percentage of your salary every month anyway. what a life.
i'm not trying to say that its bad here and its good there. not at all. i don't have to say it. what i want to remind everyone is, probably since birth, the economic situation has gotten progressively worse. but we're still here. and as long as each person does their part, we have hope.
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Post by allegra on Sept 7, 2005 20:59:00 GMT 8
ah, patronage politics kasi tayo The people will vote for the guy na mapapakinabangan nila Short sighted pero sawa na kasi sa promises ang mga tao So kung sino magbibigay ng pera, basketball court, team uniforms, trophys, pambili ng gamot , pang tuition etc. siya ang iboboto ng tao So now, the govt official has to make kurakot din to pay for all this ( as well as the mistresses allowance ) Kaya pag natalo ang politico sa election, usually wala na rin siya pera ( except yung talagang magagaling or yung kinatatakutan ) That's how people are elected in our country
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Post by yoyeebird on Sept 8, 2005 8:47:31 GMT 8
To lessen the burden of tax on our pockets, we have to "consume" less - meaning lessen the purchases of items which are taxable (or heavily taxable). Luxuries aside, 1 major taxable thing we advertently or inadvertently use everyday is FUEL (not TREK FUEL, mind you)....so lessen cars, promote bikes all over!!! LOL
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Post by Eikichi on Sept 8, 2005 10:27:37 GMT 8
actually me and my wife has this theory why pinoys are losing logic and common sense. might go off topic with this one, sorry for freon, well i just thought of it one time when me and wifey were attending mass at greenbelt. the guard and maintenance guy told them not to use the garden as a way to the pavement, well a lot of people still used the garden to get out of church and go to the pavement. this got me thinking that if you are in an airconditioned office all day, and maybe air conditioned vehicle on the commute, then airconditioned house. you might not get a dose of reality anymore. so....freon guy thinks that all freon guys are working hard, they have enough earnings to pay for taxes, there goes evat. but he also thinks that instant noodles guy put him in office, sooo no taxes for them, he he he I agree with this some people cant drive long way without air con, when I was actively driving, my friends always yelled at me na "OY PARE PAANO MO NATITIIS NA MAGMANEHO NA WALANG AIR CON??" (how can you drive without turning on your air con) I told them "PARE PARA MAS TIPID SA GASOLINA" besides everytime you turned off the aircon you can bring out the car's full potential. SOme of my classmates pag nabilad lang nang 3 minutes sa sikat nang araw, they always complained about it, maybe sanay sila sa mga rooms fully airconditioned. Theres 1 time when my friend hitched with me, I didnt turn on the aircon after 30 minutes I notice that hes feeling dizzy. Whew me and my brad everytime we go to the province even if its early afternoon where the heat of the sun is intense we never turn on the air con. It only tells us that we are living in a tropical country. well its just me though
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