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Post by mountguitars on Jan 27, 2006 2:14:56 GMT 8
guys, what's the regular single speed setup? sa drivetrain lang naman nagkatalo di ba? so wha't the difference? dumb questions from a dumb person. just asking becoz my last rig will be a single speeder and i have no idea kung ano ba dapat. alam ko lang na single speed eh bmx at yung kiddie bikes, hehe. thanks po sa lahat ng magrereply.
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Post by jr on Jan 27, 2006 2:54:17 GMT 8
Mountguitar..Look Wcoastbo topic.
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Post by nine-inch-neils on Jan 27, 2006 3:19:33 GMT 8
jon,
i have been riding one the past couple of months but not yet in trails. not much difference with 24 or 27 geared bikes..... except the fact that climbing becomes "really" a burden.
Easy to set-up; clean-looking with out the other cables... In your case, i'd like to emphasize that it is "lighter" in weight.
You may opt to use existing parts or spend a little, up to you...
set-up
da-bomb converter da-bomb (daw) tensioner Deore middle chainring (cant take out the biggest chainring coz i cant find shorter bolts.) old red hardtail frame oink wheelset/deore hubs conti tires amoeba bar, stem, seat post generic saddle deore levers
I guess what really changes is one's attitude or mindset when you ride single speed.
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Post by mountguitars on Jan 27, 2006 4:38:27 GMT 8
jon, i have been riding one the past couple of months but not yet in trails. not much difference with 24 or 27 geared bikes..... except the fact that climbing becomes "really" a burden. Easy to set-up; clean-looking with out the other cables... In your case, i'd like to emphasize that it is "lighter" in weight. You may opt to use existing parts or spend a little, up to you... I guess what really changes is one's attitude or mindset when you ride single speed. main reason for me to go single speed is to improve my handling skills. i heard you can maximize every ounce of brakespeed and cornering if you use one of these. also, since it has lesser parts means its light. ang saya saya, hehehe. so most likely for me to better understand this kind of setup, i have to see one for myself and then start shooting questions. i know i've seen one in pictures and ithe actual bike but i take it for granted. now that i myself is setting up my own single speeder, the information becomes critical. i remember woofer's single speeder. that's my dream setup. bike porn, sobrang ganda.
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Post by 32by18 on Jan 27, 2006 11:59:26 GMT 8
funnily enough, SS setups can be as individualistic as regular geared bikes For starters, you'd need to find the best gearing for your type of riding, your fitness level, and the trails you frequent. Being a single gear, it is of course a compromise. An easier gear would mean you'd spin out easily on the flats and the downhills, but you'd manage most climbs. Most people would say a 2:1 ratio is the best starting point, but I personally beg to differ (based on experience). A 32T chainring in front, and an 18T cog, or 20T even, in the rear is alright, especially when you are new to SSing. Later on, as you become stronger, you can experiment with your gearing. I ride a rigid fork, and compensate for the lack of suspension by running bigger tires at a lower pressure. Sure, you get more beat up in the rough stuff, but SSing is about picking lines and anticipating changes in terrain. Comfy grips help. Wide handlebars and/or bar-ends will also give you more leverage in muscling the bike up climbs. Standing up while climbing is a given 32x18 is not a hard and fast rule (you may be stronger than me), so on your next trail ride on your regular bike, try to shift around to a mid-range gear you think you are comfortable with, and NOT SHIFT hehehe. Feel free to ask any questions
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Post by duldog on Jan 27, 2006 14:22:52 GMT 8
how can much do i have to pay for a chain tensioner? is it possible to use an old RD?
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Post by 32by18 on Jan 27, 2006 14:28:24 GMT 8
yep, old rear derailleurs should work in a pinch.Just have to set the limiting screws for proper chainline. tensioners are around P1K and up
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Post by alien_scream on Jan 27, 2006 15:13:15 GMT 8
i got my tensioner for php600!!!!!
try getting a frame with horizontal dropout so you would not use any more those tensioners!!!!!
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Post by coolangot ☺ on Jan 27, 2006 20:14:40 GMT 8
if I have those Japanese city bikes ( or Chinese or whatever you call them ;D ), with those carriers and all, no gears.. can this be called single speed?
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Post by Patrick on Jan 27, 2006 21:33:12 GMT 8
@cool I want one of those, a pink one with a white basket .... and E.T. in the basket? nyek
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Post by extraFunky on Jan 27, 2006 23:24:38 GMT 8
guys, what's the regular single speed setup? sa drivetrain lang naman nagkatalo di ba? so wha't the difference? dumb questions from a dumb person. just asking becoz my last rig will be a single speeder and i have no idea kung ano ba dapat. alam ko lang na single speed eh bmx at yung kiddie bikes, hehe. thanks po sa lahat ng magrereply. If you're building from scratch, try to look for singlespeed-specific frames. Most common are those with track fork ends (aka horizontal dropouts, but not really! think bmx) A lot of manufacturers now have sliding dropouts and eccentric bottom brackets. Problem with track fork ends is when you're running discs and you had flat. It's a pain to remove the rear wheel. If you're using an existing frame with vertical dropouts, your best bet is to use a chain tensioner but you also have other options like using a half link or using an eccentric hub. Again, if you're building from scratch, also try to look for singlespeed specific rear hubs. There are plenty out there. Most common are those screw ons (like bmx but wider 135mm) for threaded freewheels or fixed if you're feeling hardcore. You also have flip flop hubs and cassette systems (Chris King, American Classic, Novatec, etc). www.singlespeed.nl/bits/naven/main.html
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Post by coolangot ☺ on Jan 27, 2006 23:33:48 GMT 8
@cool I want one of those, a pink one with a white basket .... and E.T. in the basket? nyek ;D ;D ;D
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Post by mountguitars on Jan 28, 2006 0:44:26 GMT 8
good tip on the frame. most likely i'll stick to vertical drop outs and just use a tensioner. i do have set of MTB wheelsets so i'll stick with that as well. so mostlikely my setup is just like/similar to the pic i've posted above. thanks for the inputs, keep'em coming.
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Post by nine-inch-neils on Jan 28, 2006 2:19:52 GMT 8
if I have those Japanese city bikes ( or Chinese or whatever you call them ;D ), with those carriers and all, no gears.. can this be called single speed? Yes. =)
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Post by mountguitars on Jan 28, 2006 3:15:58 GMT 8
guys, i have a deore '03 crank by the way. is it possible to convert it to SS? most likely this is the only part or problem that i need to address. any suggestions, tips?
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Post by nine-inch-neils on Jan 28, 2006 4:40:24 GMT 8
guys, i have a deore '03 crank by the way. is it possible to convert it to SS? most likely this is the only part or problem that i need to address. any suggestions, tips? Jon, i think we have the same problem... cant take out the big chainring coz the bolts are long. If this is the concern, i found some answers but have not tried because of time constraints. 1. someone suggested to try reversing how the nuts and bolts are inserted (don’t know if this works.) screw goes backside of plate and the lock goes front side 2. lock washers 3. i think mcvark or gavinchie recommended as last result to grind the bolts. =) check out maxbuwaya's ss: www.pbase.com/maxbuwayakhs/single_speed_xcountryIf there are other recommendations, please post as well. Thanks.
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Post by ungas on Jan 28, 2006 5:35:34 GMT 8
have you tried using the bolts of the granny? its shorter than those on the big ring. and theres no need to reverse the bolts and locks. i think its like the real bolts and nuts. i tried this using FSA chainring bolts.
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Post by extraFunky on Jan 28, 2006 5:36:33 GMT 8
try using a bashguard if you can't find shorter chain ring bolts.
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Post by nine-inch-neils on Jan 28, 2006 6:49:24 GMT 8
will try the least expensive recommendation... bolts first, then a bashguard. thanks.
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Post by mountguitars on Jan 28, 2006 20:06:45 GMT 8
question: is there a way to remove the shifter in a deore '03 brake shifter pod combo? i figured i dont need the shifters any more becoz i don't have any gears to shift, hehe. or do i really need to buy the break levers separately?
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Post by king on Jan 28, 2006 20:13:04 GMT 8
have you tried using the bolts of the granny? its shorter than those on the big ring. and theres no need to reverse the bolts and locks. i think its like the real bolts and nuts. i tried this using FSA chainring bolts. i just took a look at using the granny bolts today. they're the same length. you can get spacers though. afriend of mine just gave me a bunch of them. worked fine.
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Post by mountguitars on Jan 28, 2006 20:40:03 GMT 8
have you tried using the bolts of the granny? its shorter than those on the big ring. and theres no need to reverse the bolts and locks. i think its like the real bolts and nuts. i tried this using FSA chainring bolts. i just took a look at using the granny bolts today. they're the same length. you can get spacers though. afriend of mine just gave me a bunch of them. worked fine. sir king, penge naman ng spacers, hehe ;D. will it fit a deore '03 crank? where could we possibly get spacers for the crank?
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Post by 32by18 on Jan 29, 2006 2:00:50 GMT 8
more tips:
chainring/bolts: make sure the bolts are tightened as evenly as possible, that way the chainring and your chainline is straight. periodically check the bolts as well.
chain: don't run your chain TOO TIGHT. this will wear down your drivetrain faster.
cogs/chainrings: if you are using ramped chainrings and cogs (salaved from cassettes and cranksets), your chain will have a "loose spot" and a "tight spot". try not to over-compensate for this running a too tight chain (see above)
keep those questions coming (eventually we can sticky an FAQ)
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Post by Lance_R_evo on Jan 29, 2006 2:30:18 GMT 8
I used common hardware washers when I converted my cranks for ss, you just have to look for the narrow washers, the one's that fit exactly underneath the bolt's head.
they only cost 50 cents each...your local Hardware store should have em...
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Post by king on Jan 29, 2006 16:46:55 GMT 8
i friend of mine got them at Ace. just make sure that they're not so wide that they'll hit the spider. one of the spacers i got actually didnt fit so we had to cut part of it. i'll post a picture of the conversion when i pick up the bike tomorrow.
there are also some in All Terra by the way! ask Ef. may naka tago sila diyan. only 4 left! naku unahan na kayo diyan.
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Post by barracuda on Jan 30, 2006 8:58:57 GMT 8
funnily enough, SS setups can be as individualistic as regular geared bikes Feel free to ask any questions Hi 32X18, Can you post a pic of your bike pls. Question to follow na lang. Am thinking of building a budget rigid SS but not on SS frame. thanks, Alain ;D ;D ;D
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Post by alien_scream on Jan 30, 2006 13:48:18 GMT 8
my suggestion!!!! instead of using the whole cogs of your cassette... try to use just one of the cogs and then get a PVC pipe and cut it to fit the spaces!!!! instead of buying those 9-1 converter!!!!!!
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Post by king on Jan 30, 2006 20:56:26 GMT 8
you can actually do that. i read that recently in Dirt Rag. 1 1/4" pvc pipe. the cuts have to absolutely straight though, otherwise the cog will move. you also need to place a metal spacer against the lockring. also, unless you're using something like an XT cassette, you wont have a lot of spacers, and the biggest loose cog you can use is i think 16. at least it's 16 on my 8 speed 11-28. there are probably bigger cogs on an 11-32 or 34. the other thing is, sayang naman yung cassette. the whole converter kit is only around P650. an XT level cassette is around P2500.
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Post by barracuda on Jan 31, 2006 8:36:54 GMT 8
you can actually do that. i read that recently in Dirt Rag. 1 1/4" pvc pipe. the cuts have to absolutely straight though, otherwise the cog will move. you also need to place a metal spacer against the lockring. also, unless you're using something like an XT cassette, you wont have a lot of spacers, and the biggest loose cog you can use is i think 16. at least it's 16 on my 8 speed 11-28. there are probably bigger cogs on an 11-32 or 34. the other thing is, sayang naman yung cassette. the whole converter kit is only around P650. an XT level cassette is around P2500. I think I found my frame with a rigid fork. All it needs is an SS drivetrain to qualify as an SS bike. My target is a 34X20 combination. to King, Does the converter kit include a cog of your choice already? And where did you get them? thanks in advance, Alain
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Post by barracuda on Jan 31, 2006 8:41:24 GMT 8
i got my tensioner for php600!!!!! try getting a frame with horizontal dropout so you would not use any more those tensioners!!!!! Joey, Where did you buy your php600 tensioner? thanks, Alain ;D ;D ;D
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