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Post by jibber on Sept 21, 2004 19:51:42 GMT 8
The manual is an advanced move that takes so much dedication and time to learn...and they say a pre-requisite to learning the manual is you first have to learn "the wheelie". I tend to agree because it is in "the wheelie" where a newbie can learn how to pop-up the front of the bike, discover the balance point, etc..etc.. I am not an expert on mtb wheelies, btw, but two decades ago I can easily do a hundred feet wheelie on my bmx...as most of the teenagers then & now...I threw caution to the wind and just pumped-it-up ;D Anyway, I hope we can share tips and experiences on this thread so we can learn this wheelie and manual thingy on our mtb's Let's have a goal...all of us should at least be able to do a 10 meter distance wheelie/ manual at the end of the year!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by jibber on Sept 21, 2004 20:29:07 GMT 8
A few months back I never intended to re-learn "the wheelie" 'coz I always thought that at my present age it would be a waste of time...and parang nakakahiya na sa mga kapit-bahay...yung mga ka-age ko dito kung tatlong klaseng bagay lang ang hawak sa mga kamay...game cards, beer, or manok na pang-sabong ;D But 3 days ago my interest was re-kindled 'coz I can't do xc and downhill rides right now...1 month na halos ako di naka-pagride...pinagbawal ng ortho doc ko 'coz my right shoulder has this myofascial pain ek..ek.. So I thought might as well just learn less strenuous mtb activities like trackstands and guess what...wheelies First...I checked my present setup...'coz I can't seem to get the front up continuously on my mtb...I thought dahil mas malaki ang mtb sa bmx and I'm small...just 5'4" so pinag-aralan ko ang setup ng rig ko. Here's what I found: 1. It is easier for me to get the front up and wheelie for about 5 meters by having this gear ratio...chainring set at 1st gear and rear set at 3rd or fourth biggest cog (I have an 8 cog set). I used to do this with the chainring set at the 2nd gear but I found that it is hard to maintain your front up with this setup. 2. Wheelies can better be executed with the saddle lowered if you're in the learning stage. 3. Before attempting to do continuous pedalling...learn to bail first. Pop-up your front, lay back, and pull the handlebar all the way...and prepare to land your feet when you feel na tutumba ka na sa likod. This is essential para ma-train mo sarili mo how to bail when you reach the position na sobra na. Else your butt will be telling you that you suck in wheeliieng practice..he..he.. ;D
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Post by jibber on Sept 21, 2004 20:52:27 GMT 8
So...how to do the wheelie??? Please note that I am currently learning, studying how to do this on an mtb so don't expect that his comes from an expert's point of view 1. Got my helmet on...and got my neighbor's kids sit a few meters from me...else I bang my front wheel on one of their heads ;D 2. Set my chainring and cog to the gears I mentioned above. 3. Warmed-up (and praying that I'd be safe ) by doing some endo and backhoppings. By this time duma-dami na mga useserong bata...I'm beginning to become a celebrity..he..he.. ;D 4. My choco foot is my right foot so I got this positioned forward. 5. At a slow pace...I leaned forward to my handlebar for pre-load and then lean back and at the same time pulled on the bars and at the same tim...ulit...power pedaled my choco foot. This takes only a second to do. 6. Now my front wheel is up so I do some continuous pedalling at a rate of about two pedal motion per second. 7. While pedalling I maintain leaning back...as if to lie down and feathering my rear brake when I feel I'm gonna fall on my back. Feathering is the key word...I have this problem of engaging the rear brake too tight so that the front wheel slams hard. Be careful of this 'coz this tneds to bang your crotch/ balls to your frames toptube..and this reaaalllly hurts..I'm telling you ;D ;D ;D 8. I also have my knees positioned wide apart and counter-balance falling on the left or right by pointing my knees to left if I fall to the right and vice-versa. ...at this time palakpakan na ang mga useserong bata..he..he..ako naman feel ko parang matandang "ugag" ako na walang magawang matino ;D ;D ;D To my surprise I was able to do some 5 meter length wheelies with the setup I mentioned above. Hope to improve this to 10 meters next week. Please post your experiences too so we can share tips and learn faster
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Post by jibber on Sept 21, 2004 21:01:48 GMT 8
By the way...I forgot one veeeerrry important rule for wheelies...it is a mortal sin to do this using clipless pedals. Do this using platforms. "Use clipless at your own risk" ;D
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Post by konablack on Sept 22, 2004 7:40:59 GMT 8
brad, I'll pledge my oath to learn how to wheelie at the end of the year. Malapit na sembreak at makakapag-focus na ako nang mabuti.
Oo nga pala, try doing it on a grass field so it would minimize the danger of having a sore @$$ ;D
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Post by MR. SUAVE on Sept 22, 2004 15:38:26 GMT 8
yung mga ka-age ko dito kung tatlong klaseng bagay lang ang hawak sa mga kamay...game cards, beer, or manok na pang-sabong brad di ka nagiisa! but the good thing about this is that I feel young..kasi reminiscing my good ol BMX days...lahat nang ka-batch ko mag ride may hawak nang anak..ako bike padin..hehe so far no success in my wheelies.....para nga akong ogag sa PICC pag nakikita ako mag practice...hehe
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Post by konablack on Sept 23, 2004 6:00:50 GMT 8
Tried to wheelie yesterday (following gt's advices) and I was able to feel how high the front wheel moved, almost fell back, still have to adjust some minor details like the brakes and other stuff.
Does practicing on an incline or a hill helps?
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Post by jibber on Sept 23, 2004 7:12:53 GMT 8
Does practicing on an incline or a hill helps? Yes...practicing wheelies on a slight uphill going up helps much...it makes popping-up the front easier. But wheelieng going downhill makes it more difficult...fyi Usually pag going down a slope..."manual" ang ginagamit
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Post by konablack on Sept 26, 2004 6:30:59 GMT 8
Is it easier to do a wheelie on a bmx than a mtb? Should I fall first in order to know where the center of gravity is on my mtb?
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Post by jibber on Sept 27, 2004 7:13:16 GMT 8
Kona 'pre...i don't think it would help to practice using a bmx now that your riding an mtb. The geometry is soooo different...yung bmx ko nga pag-sinasakyan ko ngayon feeling ko ang sobrang liit at parang bike ng pambata ;D You don't need to actually fall on your butt, you just need to overdo the wheelie first and land your feet on the ground so you'll know the feel. And learn to do the wheelie at a slow pace...yan ang pagkakamali ko noon, I tried to do it na para bang may humahabol sa akin na aso ;D Learn to make it smooth, although you are to do two pedal strokes a second...you are in a very low gear so you shouldn't be going too fast
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Post by hingal aso on Sept 27, 2004 10:30:29 GMT 8
I am not an expert on mtb wheelies, btw, but two decades ago I can easily do a hundred feet wheelie on my bmx...as most of the teenagers then & now......... Pareng Jeever lumalabas ang tunay na edad mo. Let's see. Two decades ago noong teenager ka pa .....19 years old + 20 years (2 decades).......hala 39 ka na pala..... ;D ;D ;D ;D Joke lang. Yung sinadabing myofascial tear sa shoulder mo....doctor's term form a tear in the ligament (cartilage support) for your shoulder's ball and socket connection. Pag pa describe mo sa doctor ang myofascial tear at torn ACL ng tuhod ko, para lang kagat ng langgam yang tear mo. Ang injury ng tuhod ko pang professional basketball player. Best solution daw according to my Physical Therapist friend (is working for a PBA team and has worked with Dr. Rivera and Dr. Canlas two of the country's best orthopedic surgeons) ay to strenghten the muscles around it. Para yung muscles and not the ligaments ang magabsorb ng mga impact minimize any unwanted movements sa joints. Pag bini-baby mo yang injury daw, may tendency na mag weaken yung muscle and can lead to negative recovery. Bottom line, I think puede ka mag ride. Kung Santa Rosa lang, huwag lang hataw sa downhill part dahil doon sa palagay may malaking effect sa shoulders ng riders dahil masyado ma-alog. Easy-easy lang. Pasensya na kung dito ako nagadvice kay Jeever, lumabas tuloy off-topic. Ayaw ko lang matigil si Trailmaster at newly promoted MODERATOR Jeever (CONGRATS!!!!) na pag trail riding.
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Post by jibber on Sept 27, 2004 17:15:17 GMT 8
Pareng Jeever lumalabas ang tunay na edad mo. Let's see. Two decades ago noong teenager ka pa .....19 years old + 20 years (2 decades).......hala 39 ka na pala..... ;D ;D ;D ;D Bottom line, I think puede ka mag ride. Kung Santa Rosa lang, huwag lang hataw sa downhill part dahil doon sa palagay may malaking effect sa shoulders ng riders dahil masyado ma-alog. Easy-easy lang. Pasensya na kung dito ako nagadvice kay Jeever, lumabas tuloy off-topic. Ayaw ko lang matigil si Trailmaster at newly promoted MODERATOR Jeever (CONGRATS!!!!) na pag trail riding. Hey Boss...33 lang ako actually...when I said two decades ago i was kind of nostalgic kasi I was 13 years old when I first learned to do this wheelie thing..he..he.. ;D Ang batalya ko pa noon ay yung super bigat at napaka-kapal na P.K. Ripper with Araya rims and Tange headset..ha..ha..haaahh ;D ;D ;D I believe you're right about the advice to ride more...I even decided to ride sta. rosa last sunday but my sore tonsils prevented me I'll definitely ride this weekend...but I'm thinking of makiling...my first love
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Post by hingal aso on Sept 28, 2004 16:38:17 GMT 8
Ooooops!
Sorry I have confused myofascial injuries with miniscal tear. Sa sobrang maraming injuries ng tuhod ko, napagba-baliktad ko na yung mga pangalan ng injuries ko. Yung diniscribe kong tear sa joint ligaments ay miniscal injuries pala.
Myofascial injuries are those relating to the muscle covering (yung parang white slimy thing na tinatangal sa pag-prepare ng chicken). Pero same banana daw, slight rest ang kailangan pero kailangan mapalakas yung muscle to handle the strain.
In other words....moderation sa lahat.
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Post by jibber on Sept 28, 2004 23:28:40 GMT 8
Medyo konti na lang ang sakit Boss...kaya ko na siguro ito iakyat sa sta rosa or makiling this weekend
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Post by konablack on Sept 29, 2004 7:18:33 GMT 8
Medyo konti na lang ang sakit Boss...kaya ko na siguro ito iakyat sa sta rosa or makiling this weekend Gt pag-nasa downhill portion ka na ng ride eh mag-manual ka ;D ;D ;D Could the stem contribute to the execution of wheelies? Meaning pag mas maikli mas madali? I'm planning to change mine( changing also the geometry of my bike right?)
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Post by jibber on Sept 29, 2004 14:27:37 GMT 8
Kona...pre...it is easier to lift the front for wheelies with a short stem than a longer one...specially if you're short in height like me But a longer stem would make you stable on other trials moves like the pivots and backhops What is your frame's top tube length?
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Post by konablack on Oct 1, 2004 21:25:07 GMT 8
Gt- top tube length is 11"
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Post by jibber on Oct 4, 2004 14:41:37 GMT 8
Kona...pre...sorry for this late reply...my laptop's modem is having some problems right now so I have to go to our office and access the 'net thru dsl/ usb. Anyway, 11" for an mtb top tube is too short...and I don't think na meron nga frame na ganito ka-igsi Estimate ko lang yung frame mo mga 18" to 20" top tube length yan
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Post by konablack on Oct 18, 2004 6:53:38 GMT 8
Hey gt long time no post na ako dito ;D ;D
Siguro nga mas mahaba pa yung top tube ko kasi di ko pa sinama yung sa bottom bracket at yung sa may seatpost collar.
Still practicing how to do a manual and a wheelie, I thinking of upgrading my stem to a shorter one.
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Post by jibber on Oct 18, 2004 7:28:05 GMT 8
ako din long time no post...i have not been practicin' trials on my bike lately...wala na kasi pwesto dito sa 'min...dami na tricycle nakaparada sa kalsada go for the cnc-machined stems...hwag yung mga welded, they have the tendency to crack at joints
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Post by konablack on Oct 19, 2004 6:56:48 GMT 8
go for the cnc-machined stems...hwag yung mga welded, they have the tendency to crack at joints Salamat sa tip mo gt, buti na lang at sinabi mo ito thanks
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Post by jibber on Oct 19, 2004 8:28:43 GMT 8
....and get the four bolted clamp pala...not the two bolts clamp lang...yung two bolts type palagi din nag-crack...dangerous...
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Post by konablack on Oct 20, 2004 6:39:31 GMT 8
Gt - how about da bomb, may nakita kasi ako parang pang-downhil sya.l
Anyway I'll still look for others
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Post by jibber on Oct 22, 2004 8:40:29 GMT 8
hey kona...pre i'm not familiar with da bomb but i've seen one and it's quite ok...i was talking with atomik yesterday and he told me 'bout his biking buddy who's good in trials riding...hope he joins our forum soon and we'll "da bomb" him with questions ;D
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Post by maxbuwaya on Oct 24, 2004 0:07:20 GMT 8
kona may cheapstem at paulinas CNC na din mga P650 siguro, yung mga da bomb usually forged ang nakikita ko. Yung turbolite ko oks pang XC at konting trials mga P1400
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Post by konablack on Oct 24, 2004 18:30:56 GMT 8
kona may cheapstem at paulinas CNC na din mga P650 siguro, yung mga da bomb usually forged ang nakikita ko. Yung turbolite ko oks pang XC at konting trials mga P1400 max dude mas mura yung suggestion mo kaysa sa da bomb fix (750). Saan nga pala yung paulina's, sa quiapo din?
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Post by styxmaster69 on Dec 3, 2004 15:06:36 GMT 8
as of now eto din ang una kong pinagaaralan ngayon..... good thing natutunan ko na din magbail out in case na over ang pull ko sa front wheel... i have change my stem to the shortest one so i find it easier to pull my front wheel.... so far medyo di pa ganun kalayo ang napapadyak ko doing a wheelie...... still learning it...
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Post by jibber on Dec 3, 2004 19:38:26 GMT 8
haaaayyy...i thought dehins na ako makakabalik sa forum na 'to...it's been two weeks i believe since my last browse here...re-formatted my laptop and have had a hard time finding the site...thanks maxb and yong for texting the address sori for the OT...anyway, i have a longer stem that i'd want to try next week...it's hard to lift the front with a longer stem but it reduces the twitchiness of the bars and is more stable
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Post by konablack on Dec 4, 2004 5:03:24 GMT 8
haaaayyy...i thought dehins na ako makakabalik sa forum na 'to...it's been two weeks i believe since my last browse here...re-formatted my laptop and have had a hard time finding the site...thanks maxb and yong for texting the address sori for the OT...anyway, i have a longer stem that i'd want to try next week...it's hard to lift the front with a longer stem but it reduces the twitchiness of the bars and is more stable Oi GT pre kamusta na akala ko nawala ka na ah...welcome back dude
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Post by jibber on Dec 5, 2004 8:07:50 GMT 8
have been hibernating due to the recent rains pre ;D kamusta practice natin sa wheelies and manuals? Mukhang babalik ako sa gtavalanche frame ko...though I like the Kona for its shorter seat tube height...may malaking problema...I've already ripped two of my shorts...palagi kasi sumasabit dun sa seat post clamp
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