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Post by <eVs10nacious< on Sept 4, 2007 16:06:00 GMT 8
which is which! debate will be debate! but some dh riders are still in discovery channel flats pedal user turns to cleats pedals then cleats pedals user turns to flats pedals advantages of using flats pedals vs cleats pedals: i dont know! im confused daw now im switching from cleats to flats pedals why? something to discover, episode "theory buster by rocketman" primetime channel @ ur local suking push push store ;D ;D ;D live updates
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Post by >rocketman> on Sept 4, 2007 16:26:02 GMT 8
I say, one should know How to use, Flat and cleat pedals
Scencario 1: you are a cleat pedal downhiller,
Dark cloud is on the sky and it's now your race run, you're in the line and you calculated it will rain on your final run.
take out from your bag your umbrella and rain coat joke heheheh
take out your KINSE yabe and change to flat pedals, and remove cleats under your shoes
or bring flat shoe if you have very big bag. hehehe
example: lolo NICO V. nd some pro who races world cup.
scenario 2:
you are a cleat pedal dhiller,
You injured ala tapilok your right or left foot, because you are hard headed you still join dh race,
what you gonna use? One flat and one cleat pedal.
example: Mike BORJA ( this is a true story).
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Post by mrkamot on Sept 4, 2007 17:12:00 GMT 8
i've been meaning to ask this question for the longest time, thanks for opening it up wise men of DH. i know Bans Mendoza of Dirt Dawg does his dh runs clipped in. maybe it is not wise for beginner dh enthusiasts to be clipped in as they make "tukod" (get off the pedal) more often as they learn about how to take certain lines but for pros like Bans i think clipped in would be better, one less thing to think about (feet slip from flat pedals) when you're bombing downhill
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Post by <eVs10nacious< on Sept 4, 2007 17:46:24 GMT 8
combo meal pls ;D what abt drinks can i upgrade regular to super jumbo mostly used flat & cleat pedal @ UCI WC & Worlds flat pedal: easton cully easton flatboy [flatform much bigger to cully, nice grip] crankbros 5050 [lots of studs to grip ur shoe, not too big] shimano dx [very little studs] sun ringle azonic cleat pedal: crankbros mallet m [lighter than c] crankbros mallet c [better performance than m] shimano dx [light pedal but its a transformer = pedal away] time z
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Post by >rocketman> on Sept 4, 2007 18:47:55 GMT 8
wala yan sa bata natin JOEY BArBA phil team rides dh asian championship on pedal spindle
technically not a pedal, as in....... pedal away!
for sale shimano DX cleat pedal transformers to spindle in seconds
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Post by quiesledaddy on Sept 5, 2007 3:09:45 GMT 8
i prefer flats
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Post by coilerblue on Sept 5, 2007 7:22:16 GMT 8
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Post by >rocketman> on Sept 5, 2007 7:34:03 GMT 8
Austallia Cycling Fedaration requires flat pedals for dh hehhehee joke,
with matchine 510 grip shoes and DC shoe for kovarik.
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Post by >rocketman> on Sept 5, 2007 7:34:51 GMT 8
Austallia Cycling Fedaration requires flat pedals for dh hehhehee joke,
with matching "510" sticky flat shoes for you know who and
DC shoes for kovarik.
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Post by ony on Sept 5, 2007 8:06:35 GMT 8
hely hansen shoes for flats
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Post by CARLOfornicator(censored) on Sept 5, 2007 9:16:57 GMT 8
flats plus good skate shoes for me will do....
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Post by REDNEB on Sept 5, 2007 9:31:33 GMT 8
what flat? NO i dnt like i want condo or townhouse! i dnt like flat! aheheh
1 fact ... both pedals have their own advantages and disadvantages.....
when i returned to freeriding july last yr.... i opted to use da bomb platform pedals.... after 3 races i switched to clipless 545s.... used it for a while ... kinda cured my ejector-seat habit and my panic-foot syndrome....lol (you get that from being hospitalized too many times in ur life! lol)....... after 3 months i switched back to flats... cuz im comfy already ahehehehe.... now my flats are locked in ma' shoe forever.....
fact 2
when the teeth of ur flat pedals make contact with unprotected areas of ur anatomy e.g. armpit, calves,ankle,neck im pretty sure its gonna leave a mark....ya'll better keep a first aid kit handy....lol/........... compared to ........
when clipless pedals are introduced to to ur body by abrupt force well... imagine a size 24 socket wrench comin at u with teeth-rattling speeds.... hehehehehe..... just drink a lot of calcium and you'll be fine....
@rocketman hey is that limited edition with high-lead content from china.... ahehehehe ....... auction it at ebay.. just connect spindle to motor u can use it to mix ZAGU...... waheheheheehehehehehe
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Post by >rocketman> on Sept 5, 2007 10:30:48 GMT 8
mai design flaw yung shimano DX cleat pedal 636 ba yun?, if you back pedal you can unscrew the pedal body maybe defective?
Love my S and M flat pedal can be use as bottle cap "tan-chan" opener,
after bike, a bottle of beer, or sofdrinks like rc cola , nice
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Post by extendead on Sept 5, 2007 21:02:36 GMT 8
TO CLIP OR NOT TO CLIP.... clipless is nice to use and transform pedalling effeciency better than flats.. since 1999 ive been using flat pedals ( S and M )for DH, then at 2004 till 2007 ive used clipless pedals ( shimano dx ) on DH. i still used flat pedals on my toy hardtail to ride city streets.. ryt now since my bike DH BIKE IS EXTENDEAD! i used my hardtail for DH runs in tagaytay n patiis and i used flat pedals.. for extendead is locked together with jurassic.. hehehe its quite sh#$%^T and fun to use flat pedals and seem to like it again.. and if i got my DH bike again ill be racing on flats.. dali bail out!!! lessons learned.... 1. clips or clik clik ( kasi it produces clik clik sound when clipping in ) are good and sweet when the trail is dry and hard pack.. even on hard technical terrain... ur foot wont dance on the pedals even the roughness of patiis and majayjay trails.. bottom line is its pedaling effeciency.. its easy to pedal on circles... 2. shite happens when it start to rain.. mud stuck on the cleats so as the pedals.. unless u have the skills of the pros.. who doesnt dub so much then its a no problem for u.. 3. when using clik clik, always bring a small allen tool ung 2mm or a strong sharp tool.. stick will also do the trick.. why? when walking up the starting line or just walking around.. mud and stuff stuck on ur cleats... of course the 2mm allen becomes handy to pick out the debris of the cleats.. this is one reasons why DH racer at pinas is always looking for sticks at the starting line.. 4. oil those clik clik once in a while.. for it has to many moving parts and things gets worst when it smash out the rocks while goin down.. 5. flats are simplier to use, no oil maintenance and easy to master it.. no engage and dis engage scenario.. no tools require its wat i call plug n play.. 6. it can easily destroy ur nice pair of shoes so as ur shins.... if wearing those safety gears then that will be no problem... 7. on flats, foot tend to move in a mind boggling way.. especially when the trails turn to be mini rice terraces... i can say both are good to use.. it depends on ur instinct if u will go flats or clik clik for the day... but ryt now i love using flats.. nathan rennie dating! hehehe oakleys are good on flats even on the muddy days..
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Post by <eVs10nacious< on Sept 5, 2007 21:54:33 GMT 8
how come no one bother to mention when it comes in using flats or cleats theres a foot positioning difference........hmmmmm i wonder thats my observation can we integrate it then square it with a cube root of zigma ;D
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Post by extendead on Sept 5, 2007 22:19:29 GMT 8
i think the foot positioning are just the same... i based my cleat position on how i ride the flats, just a little low on the ball of the foot??
the correct position is
where:
L = length of foot CP = cleat position
the formula is...
CP= (L/4) / (L/2) [ L - ( rider height )]
dnt round of the answer, it must be accurate at 4 decimal places
if ala calculator.. tantya will do hehehehe ;D
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Post by puregutz on Sept 6, 2007 7:30:47 GMT 8
Jong why dont you just get a flat pedal with the same size and carved after your foot! lol
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Post by <eVs10nacious< on Sept 6, 2007 10:19:16 GMT 8
talagang u have formula ha.......cge will try to compute then differentiate.......then the answer is infinite ;D ........ oi puregutz........nice idea but i like the customized padel type o flipper nyahahahaha.......HAVE U SWITCHED
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Post by >rocketman> on Sept 6, 2007 10:29:49 GMT 8
SPINDLE na lang ala joey barok
DOnt forget the GRIP PINS on flat pedals replaced when baluktot na (bent) that's the purpose of the grips pins for your shoe to grip,
if ala na foot slide happens. and then pedal on shin contact ouch!
Pengot pa race tayo DH one RULE No pedals! Open category
pagalingan mag ride. best ride tekniks wins.
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Post by <eVs10nacious< on Sept 6, 2007 10:34:24 GMT 8
show us rocketman........
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Post by >rocketman> on Sept 6, 2007 11:50:19 GMT 8
watch kalang "flintstones" cartoon network
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Post by wadesingson on Sept 6, 2007 12:01:47 GMT 8
flat + sticky shoes
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Post by fattire on Sept 6, 2007 15:44:58 GMT 8
ritchie and peng's got S&M pedals?!
take me to your leader!
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Post by >rocketman> on Sept 6, 2007 19:03:02 GMT 8
I got the olive green bottle cap openner S and M pedals rare ba yun? I know S&M it's bmx brand name. Check velocity if still available there. yes they copy the classic old shimano dx flat pedal not the new one, this DX design revolutionize the flat pedal industry almost all bmx companies copied it. READ THIS IF YOU CAN: dirtmag.UK These days, platform pedals are taken for granted and are the bike world standard for flat pedal users. The simple reasons are that they are strong, grip your soles like nothing else and look good to boot. Today there are all types of platform pedals to suit all styles of riding, be it low profile race pedals, burly street and dirt versions or super lightweights. There’s a huge selection of platform pedals to suit your needs and it’s all down to one pedal, the original Shimano DX (not to be confused with the updated version brought out a few of years ago). We owe a lot to the designers over at Shimano who at the time produced the oddest looking footplate ever invented for a bike. Life wasn’t always this shape and for many ‘back in the day’ pedals were a simple caged affair where manufactures cut teeth into a piece of flat metal and curved it around a body like those made by Skyway. This simple design was then taken one step further by adding sharper teeth. It was this design that manufactures played with but on the whole the pedal was too small and rolled easily under your feet if you didn’t have the perfect position. People even customized their own with hacksaws and files to make them grippier but these often ended up as truly dangerous. Then in 1981 at the Long Beach Bicycler Dealer Showcase EXPO (BSD EXPO) the pedal world was about to be revolutionized. Two new styles of pedal were both launched at the show. The first was Triton’s circular shaped pedal with a lethal looking rounded cage dubbed the ‘Bear Trap’, for obvious reasons. The other was Shimano’s as part of their DX groupset. Various prototypes of this had been kicking around for a couple of years. Some were clocked on Bob Encinas’ bike at the Watsonville BMX Spring National fitted on their adjustable length DX cranks but these were only one sided and not as good as the finished product. The released version was double sided but still an odd looking thing which was described as a parallelogram pedal and had just 12 little pins sticking out of the cast aluminium platform for grip. OK it had a slight concave but how the hell were 12 little pins going to work better than a cage of filed razor sharp teeth you could you shave a bears chest with? Like most things at this time in BMX people were willing to ride anything they were told would work, be it plastic chain covers that got tangled up, useless rear number plates or flexi rims that would have you off. It wasn’t like people really needed to market this stuff either. Being kids we all lapped it up. The DX pedal was different though. They weren’t hyped on their own claiming to change the world like all the other stuff out there, they were first advertised in July ’81 in BMX Plus alongside all the products in the DX range, like their superb two finger brake levers of time. Naturally people tried them and those that did found something truly special. Those 12 little pins sat on the funky looking convex box shaped pedal actually gripped better than the lethal teeth of the Bear trap. To be honest the DX pedal was possibly the greatest invention for dirt bikes during the whole of the eighties decade. At forty a quid a pop back then they weren’t cheap but those that spent the cash invested wisely. Not only did they offer great grip, your feet didn’t roll off them so easily and they were much stronger than most. The DX was a huge success. It wasn’t just Shimano who were enjoying the pedal revolution. In the background the Triton pedal, which were later made by Hutch, were gaining popularity, especially among racers despite their hefty price tag. While the DX might not have had the same sex appeal of shiny chromed razor sharp cages there was a certain aesthetic. A special little element that grew on you the more you looked at them. It wasn’t just the look either. The noise they made when they span around on the spindle, especially when attached to an aluminium crank, it was magical. Many manufactures tried to follow suit but nothing came close. Even Shimano tried to make a budget version they called the SX with molded teeth but it was nothing compared to the original. Over time this was the pedal that everyone used. For some reason in the mid to late eighties the big S stopped making the DX. Nobody knew why. Maybe they had a plan to release the next great pedal but nothing came for months and then years. It was just the end of an era. This left the market wide open for bear trap style pedals, which not only tore holes in the soles of your low top 95s but would leave shins shredded and pouring with blood if you were ever unlucky enough to slip them. And slipping them was inevitable. It was just a matter of time and almost a right of passage. The bloody mess and scars were a badge of honour and always a talking point among bikers. Many will still have the scars today and are able to tell you exactly when and where they got them, and what they were trying to do at the time. Talk about anecdote value. Funnily enough shin pads were only just gaining popularity. Meanwhile hardcore riders and early BMX freestylers realised that the DX was a better option for both grip and shin health. People stocked up on supplies but the DX just slowly and sadly faded away. It wasn’t until many years later that the design was resurrected and copied in the Far East. DMR were among the first to bring back this amazing shaped pedal, much to the relief of flat pedal users everywhere. It wasn’t long before everyone was getting similar pedals with their own logo splashed across ‘em. As a result the old DX was left redundant because the riders had a plentiful supply of the pedals they needed. Naturally there was a certain retro chic in owning a pair of originals but that was about as far as it went. Soon the market became flooded with the basic original design, which was OK but with riding getting bigger and gnarlier it was starting to feel the pressure and something stronger and longer lasting was required. First came sealed bearings, then new cages, removable pins and bigger tougher spindles. This led to all sorts of bastardized versions of the originals hitting the shelves. Today we have some of the best flat pedals ever. Easton’s Cully’s have become a classic with their low profile design and burly cages, Atomlab have a similar set up and DMR have a huge range including the super light magnesium body with titanium spindles version. And how could we ever forget about Brooklyn’s version with possibly the scariest looking platform in history, the Shinburger. But what about Shimano in the middle all of this flat pedal revolution? Shimano were without a flat pedal for a very long time and it wasn’t until this century that they relaunched the DX and called it the MX30. To be honest it was too late and lots of other brands had established themselves in the market. That said everybody was itching to see what Shimano would do in case of another revolution. Sadly there was no revolution but a good solid pedal that slotted perfectly into the flat pedal market. It was similar to the old design but slicker and stronger with chromoly axles and sealed bearings to meet modern needs. It has just 10 pins per side and ice cool looks with its silvery grey finish. These days it has replaceable pins and comes with two lengths, which is no bad thing since the short ones barely poke above the cast aluminium body. Like we say it is good but not revolutionary in design but then why should it be? Shimano already started that 24 years ago.
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Post by >rocketman> on Sept 6, 2007 19:10:38 GMT 8
ado de leon will buy this if you have collectors item daw? huh?
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Post by extendead on Sept 6, 2007 20:28:49 GMT 8
ritchie.. rare na ba ung S&M? i just gave those pedals for i have the KORE flat pedals...
chi.. lets have a race with no chain!!! para clik clik or flats, it doesnt matter!!!
its all about the technique and flow? as long as there is no gap jump.. things will be ok.. hehehe
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Post by yetiman on Sept 9, 2007 5:36:11 GMT 8
adrenaline junkies, I've raced, free ride, XCed all my life on clipless pedals. To me it's the greatest technology cycling-road or mt.- has ever innovated. But to present day DH races nowadays, very technical, rocks and roots, drops etc. I prefer flat pedals combo sticky rubber. I've experimented last year til these year , considering the very plush technology of suspension today, flat is faster. In the days of yonder, when suspension is just "marketing hype" with B.S. rebound and damping. Clipless pedals has the advantage because you and your bike "as one" It helps you not to push the eject button! And DH races before are just unpaved highways with small and manageable jumps.That is why roadies can win DH races! Fast forward, You have to be 20% fit, 30% skilled and 50% crazy to be in the poduim on present day DH races! You can feel how wild Dhers party today!A bunch of junkies! ;D If a roadie podium today? Get back on the drawing board coz your race sucks! Flat pedals has the advantage on euro-type courses which is where the direction our courses should be to compete world standards! The only disadvantage is on very "kaldag" sections when your foot/feet disengage on your pedal, but don't mind it, it will still land somewhere on the platform and crank it like crazy!
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Post by <eVs10nacious< on Sept 10, 2007 21:44:34 GMT 8
no more mythology subject....... ;D
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Post by REDNEB on Sept 11, 2007 8:02:39 GMT 8
nyahahhahaha..... good one yeti-master.....
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Post by puregutz on Sept 11, 2007 8:43:40 GMT 8
Alrighty yetiman! Isang Crankbros 50/50 X pedals nga dyan...;D Guys always listen to your elders!
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