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Post by >rocketman> on Jan 12, 2006 20:14:02 GMT 8
:)anyone of you already using a direct mount stem? Saan ka makakabili dito? (boxxer)
Dont you hate it, sa race, after a crash when you pick up your bike, the stem rotated you have to fix it first before you resume you ride, ilang seconds din yun.
will it twist your fork during crash if your stem is directly bolted sa upper crowns?
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Post by Poseur on Jan 13, 2006 1:37:41 GMT 8
your stem will take more beating for sure.
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Post by >rocketman> on Jan 13, 2006 17:02:28 GMT 8
peachy, mag nag fab. na ba ng 1 piece stem and upper crown? for dh bikes?
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Post by CARLOfornicator(censored) on Jan 13, 2006 18:40:13 GMT 8
do you guys think that they have one's for jrt's??
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Post by mythor23 on Jan 13, 2006 23:40:39 GMT 8
i think none...i havent seen one yet...much safer kng hndi mounted ang stem...like if u crash,expect for ur stem to be twisted...protection din yan sa fork pra ndi ma dis-align ng sobra...
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Post by Poseur on Jan 14, 2006 3:24:32 GMT 8
rocketman: not that i know of. i don't think u would want one anyways unless u are VERY sure about the rise and reach of your handlebar. ciguro is you are a super hi-end racer that is that critical about weight and stiffness. what's honda using? i dnt know. i would say mounted would be super super close to stiffness compared to a one piece if u manage to make one. adjustability is always nice. the e13 allows from 35 to 55mm i think... not very sure.
u want the direct mount coz it's always guaranteed to be bang-on and the steering is said to be much stiffer which is obvious. yon nga lang u have some issues if u crash but that's always the sacrifice of having something that doesn't give. like glass.... super stiff/hard but we all know what happens to it when u hit it too hard. something has to give and since the handlebar is the smallest diametre that would probably go first. but i wouldn't worry about that. I would mount one personally... but i'm on a single crown.
Censored: it's easy to tell. look at your upper crown and see if u have some extra holes on top of it. 4 usually. marzocchi makes 'em for their forks. i'm just not sure about YOUR jr-T.
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Post by PT on Jan 14, 2006 11:24:07 GMT 8
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Post by >rocketman> on Jan 15, 2006 14:28:15 GMT 8
some one advised me not to overtighten your stem clamp sterrer tube, so that when you crash, you pick up your bike and if the stem rotated you can easily return it to the correct position,
ipit mo yung front wheel between your knees and correct yor stem,
same din sa mga brake levers and shifters if its not overtighten when you crash it will just rotate on your handle bar, then you can retrun it to previous position, jump on your bike and continue your ride.
scrap na ung idea fabricate ng ng 1 piece stem and uppercrown.
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Post by Poseur on Jan 15, 2006 15:59:36 GMT 8
Oh man! who gave u that advice? that makes no sense. think about it... if u crash and the stem is not tight enough it will rotate for sure (since that's kinda what u want it to do by not tigthening the bolts so u should expect that on every crash)... plus how much confidence do u have on that bar not rotating when u hit a rock off camber... not much i dnt think.
the brake levers and shifters aren't made loose so u could re-adjust them when u crash.... they are made loose so u could have a lever and shifter that still works after ur crash... meaning they would not take all the impact and break to pieces, they would move out of the way. handlebars aren't as fragile as the shifters and brake levers.
sorry man... it just makes no sense. i would highly NOT recommend it.
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Post by >rocketman> on Jan 15, 2006 17:47:14 GMT 8
YES, peachy I agree not Highly recommended, It lessens ones's confidence, especially sa dh run.
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Post by CARLOfornicator(censored) on Jan 15, 2006 18:04:57 GMT 8
Poseur i agree...thats kinda scary..
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Post by vertigo on Jan 15, 2006 21:42:30 GMT 8
@ rocketman : pre there is a direct mount stem specifically for your Boxxer: The Funn RSX direct mount stem Direct Mount stem for Rock Shox Boxxer fork AL6061 forged with post CNC 30 degree rise Adjustable 45mm or 50mm extension 4 bolt front handlebar clamp Center CNC bore for reduced weight 25.4mm or 31.8 bar clamp diameter available Anodized gloss black Laser etched logos i just don't know where it is available, i talked to efren (skarhed) at all terra but they don't have it yet. i plan to get one and hope that it'll fit my manitou, too. @ CENSOREDrepresent : i think this will fit your Jr.T: The Funn MZX2 2bolt direct mount stem Direct Mount stem for Marzocchi 2 bolt triple clamp top crown forks (888) AL6061 forged with post CNC 30 degree rise 45mm extension 4 bolt front handlebar clamp Center CNC bore for reduced weight 25.4mm or 31.8 bar clamp diameter available Anodized gloss black Laser etched logos meron din nito The Funn MZX4 4bolt direct mount stem Direct Mount stem for Marzocchi 4 bolt triple clamp top crown forks AL6061 forged with post CNC 30 degree rise 45mm extension 4 bolt front handlebar clamp Center CNC bore for reduced weight 25.4mm or 31.8 bar clamp diameter available Anodized gloss black Laser etched logos i think they're available for some specific LBS's but per order basis
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Post by Poseur on Jan 15, 2006 23:03:21 GMT 8
this looks like a very good one. compatible w/ oversize and normal handlebars. e13 ALI
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Post by >rocketman> on Jan 14, 2008 4:48:21 GMT 8
To DATE the lightest direct mount for boxxers, is the 3 piece stem, made by SUNLINE
at 150 grams, lighter than the two piece e.13 ALI direct mount stem,
SUNLINE is available locally, at P3,500 petot.
CURRENTLY on going testing is the THOMSON DIRECT MOUNT STEM FOR BOXXERS,
possible it will be released at this years/08 SEA OTTER this april,
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Post by ungas on Jan 14, 2008 5:48:40 GMT 8
To DATE the lightest direct mount for boxxers, is the 3 piece stem, made by SUNLINE at 150 grams, lighter than the two piece e.13 ALI direct mount stem, SUNLINE is available locally, at P3,500 petot. CURRENTLY on going testing is the THOMSON DIRECT MOUNT STEM FOR BOXXERS, possible it will be released at this years/08 SEA OTTER this april, only 6gr lighter than an ali this one is interesting. just dont know if the claimed weight is true. to bad its only for 25.4 bars www.largecomponents.com/bullmoosescrew.htm
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Post by >rocketman> on Jan 14, 2008 6:14:56 GMT 8
Look nice, large componets direct mount stem
For FOX40 people, RISSE is making a fox 40 top crown with bolt hole pattern of boxxer direct mount stem,
meaning you buy the RISSE upper crown, and just use the boxxer specific direct mount stem.
GO-RIDE has thier own version of upper crown and thier own direct mount stem for fox 40.
Can't wait for THOMSON dierect mount for boxxers, expect it to be lighter too.
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Post by ungas on Jan 14, 2008 6:32:11 GMT 8
burgtec has their own version too for the Fox 40 am excited with that thomson. any pix?
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Post by XP on Jan 14, 2008 8:22:12 GMT 8
soo sir ritchie when u upgrade ur direct mount stem sell me nalng ur sunline ...oki pls reserve it to me ...hihihi thanks in advance sir ritchie
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Post by lloyd on Jan 14, 2008 10:58:33 GMT 8
Peeps,
There are available direct mount stems here in Shanghai for Boxxers and Zoke 888.... brand is FUNN.
For the Jr T as questioned above... yap, there's a direct mount stem (zoke original) also... a friend of mine is using one... but I don't know if it is still available today...
Ride Hard and Ride Safe...
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Post by quiesledaddy on Jan 14, 2008 11:42:46 GMT 8
i've seen the bad side of direct mount stem for Dh bikes, the bars will bend if you crash hard, si it's just like having a regular stem. i guess it's hip and world cup'ish right now to be running direct mounts. pick ur poison?
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Post by REDNEB on Jan 14, 2008 12:59:39 GMT 8
old school shorty stem.... direct mounts suck .. you end up ripping out the top crown of your fork and snap handlebars on impact! ....Ever been stabbed by a 1.5" pipe? i wonder how its gonna look like inside the ER while they stitch n plug you together? hahahaha.....
direct mounts are cool if you have sponsors and everything, like everytime you practice n crash theres a guy waiting fer you at the finish line to make your bike shiny and race worthy again? right? eh what if wala? ...... not unless you own a bike shop probably yes......lol (new crown n stem+bars? lol....$$$$ drain the piggybank mode!)
as compared to the regular steerer mount stems.... well they work just fine, i got hit plenty of times already by regular DH stems.... they knock your dentures out, its like getting hit by a tricycle in the tummy(sometimes you get winded you shite ur pants hehe), getting scrapped by the stem in yer ribcage areas....hahahah... relax thats normal.
But I'm practical and just like quiesledaddy, pick ur poison.........
** tell me which hurts more ok! getting stabbed by a pipe or getting your teeth all knocked out in one blow.... ya' hear!
Oh and one more thing if you do go direct mount stem... always buy spare stem, upper crown for fork, and extra handlebar... you may want to buy extra levers too... and go goodridge cables...... hahahaa
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Post by REDNEB on Jan 14, 2008 19:23:29 GMT 8
nyahahahaha...........KILL THE NATIVES!
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Post by <eVs10nacious< on Jan 14, 2008 21:48:00 GMT 8
come on rocketman i know what u have evs
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Post by Alphabolt on Jan 14, 2008 21:53:19 GMT 8
come on rocketman i know what u have evs yeah he s in love ...with his bike ;D my DH bike s 95% built na! see you see you
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Post by >rocketman> on Jan 14, 2008 22:37:00 GMT 8
I am bored too heheheh I go with direct mounts, you?
SUNLINE was from Bans of DIRT DAWG, he will give you discount, im sure.
No pics yet of the THOMSON proto, will EASTON follow?
BAD for your health? then why these companies are making them?
old school na ito, 2000ish pa po ito, > MANITOU DORADO.
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Post by REDNEB on Jan 15, 2008 9:48:14 GMT 8
thats why they relpaced the dorado platform with the Travis -platform and returned it to steerer mount stems..... cuz it kept shredding the upper crown when the pro-riders crash hard ... even with the stiff characteristics of inverted forks.... the crown kept ripping apart after the handlebar snapped.....
WC racers... have the privilege of technical support crews.... they break something it gets replaced immediately or a spare bike is used.....you break one on a race i'd bet you'd be watching from the sidelines all-day........
hehehe basta pick ur poison..........lol
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Post by >rocketman> on Jan 15, 2008 22:17:08 GMT 8
OWS? wurds! don't prove anything. attach pics then,
anu yon incredible Hulk nag DH,
then why there are aftermarkets for direct mounts? stem manufacturers have direct mount stem model in their line up.
why do fork manufacturer have their crown direct mount ready when they know it will just twist their fork?
are they stupid? or they are ready, waiting to be sued?
don't they have engineers in their payroll who do cad, stress analysis finite analysis etc etc.
why there is a need, market, demand for it?
why do they extensively test it to wC riders before release for public/mortal riders consumption?
why I have not heard a fork or a stem company was sued because the direct mount design ripped the crown and almost killed a Downhiller?
aint their laws are strict over there in the U.S.?
if your saying what you said why these are not banned by UCI?
im bored..........
let's ride.
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Post by <eVs10nacious< on Jan 16, 2008 20:17:50 GMT 8
dami of lotsa tanung like questions.......yez, dont know whats the fact & theory anymore ok bord lets do the BORED aboard in our DH bike ;D evs
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Post by micosabeh on Jan 25, 2008 7:36:38 GMT 8
wow nice stem! I hope there is a stem for DNM volcano
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Post by REDNEB on Jan 25, 2008 10:03:06 GMT 8
there is a market... but for those who can change forks every time they crash......
25x smarter than us the people who designed it....
hmmm... it gets tested at the WC first then it goes into mass production...
its old WC set-up nga to go stem mount since early 2000 pa... but the commercial market is still new... so we really cant say what the real review will be regarding: practicality for the product hehehe....
iba ang test rider iba ang WC rider at iba ang ordinary consumer....
nxt week rocket we ride again.... i go anilao this weekend... hehehe....
**evs fanet!
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