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Post by marcs on Sept 14, 2007 19:03:44 GMT 8
Read in Men's Health that honey provides the same effect as more expensive power gels.
Any takes on this? If it's true, then it'd be a lot cheaper to bring this stuff, just need to get a nice container to put it in.
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Post by allegra on Sept 14, 2007 20:26:30 GMT 8
Does honey contain electrolytes? Dont know e Gels also contain electrolyte to replace those lost sa sweat , dont know kung all gels nga lang
This was explained to me lang so it's up to you to experiment If the effort will be less than an hour , no need for fuel , just electrolyte replacements and h2o ( assuming yuo ate befre ) If 1 to 3 hours ,, h20 electrolyte and carbs ( gel o honey ) Kung more than 3 hours , then h20 eletrolyte, gels/honey at powerbar o solid food
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Post by flipnidaho on Sept 14, 2007 21:40:36 GMT 8
i only use gels if I was racing. otherwise, bibingka or catpaos do me good... inexpensive too...
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Post by baboinsky on Sept 15, 2007 1:56:32 GMT 8
I use cloud 9 or snickers if I got budget for it (to the shock of my bike mates). I don't watch my figure eh. Plus, Powerbar tastes like dirt ;D
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Post by jr on Sept 15, 2007 2:29:04 GMT 8
Read in Men's Health that honey provides the same effect as more expensive power gels. Any takes on this? If it's true, then it'd be a lot cheaper to bring this stuff, just need to get a nice container to put it in. That could be true.. the gel is more expensive because your paying the packaging . OT I've been using powerbar/gel for long time but just discover the accelarade is better. I bought the powder mix. Mix with my 2 water bottles and froze it overnight for the next day ride. I feel the difference. I just carry extra fruit nuts, sandwich with peanut butter or chew able food for long ride. Probably is cheaper than buying a gel. Again it depends on the effect to each rider.
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Post by Dragunov on Sept 15, 2007 5:22:56 GMT 8
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 15, 2007 10:47:19 GMT 8
those of you who tried honey, how do you eat it...straight? i tried just this morning and i find it too sweet without pandesal hehe! nangilo yata ngipin ko...there must be a way to dilute it..gaano karami?
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Post by king on Sept 15, 2007 11:49:02 GMT 8
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 15, 2007 18:38:52 GMT 8
this is what is sez from dirtragmag.com per king's post
I’m a regular guy who likes to ride, race, and tinker with mountain bikes. I have also had the urge (since childhood) to take stuff apart to see how it works. Usually this behavior has helped me accumulate a good deal of worthless broken stuff. But one day while cycling with my buddy Dave, my curiosity turned to goop. Specifically Powergel, and GU.
Dave and I are the kind of guys that ride really hard. I don’t think there’s been an occasion where we decided to just take the next ride slow. Anyway, we usually down a few packets of Powergel or GU on every ride. At about a dollar a pop, it doesn’t take long until we realized the cost of all this. So one day on the trail, as I glanced at the ingredients of these parcels of fuel I thought, “There’s got to be a way to make this from scratch.”
Flashback to three months earlier.
I’m at the local farmer’s market buying Clover honey because of its reported benefits for combating allergy symptoms. I find a press release from the National Honey Board about a study showing positive results for use of honey as compared to other carbohydrate sources when used during competitive athletic training. That kind of stuck in my brain for a while.
Wavy lines flashback to present.
So one rainy day later, I was taking apart my Power Gel. The packages are labeled with a wealth of information. Listed are the ingredients on the pack, and the “Nutrition Facts” charts. In general, the important stuff in Power Gel is the 25g carbs, 45mg sodium, 35mg potassium, and the vitamins C and E. Yes, I know there is more to them than that, but I did say that that is the important stuff.
The United States Department of Agricultre does a good job of getting those nutrition facts into their database. They actually have every food in the U.S. online at usda.gov. You can peruse and compare the nutrition content of Peanut Butter Capt’n Crunch vs. Count Chocula if you like. My interest in their site was the abbreviated food database that I could download in a Microsoft Excel format. This document is the key to getting the nutritional content of any possible mixture of foods.
The first food item I looked up in the database was Honey. Surprise!—it has a bunch of good carbohydrates and vitamins in it. Honey alone is nutritionally very close to my goal of home-brew power goop, but it lacks a bit of sodium and potassium. So where can I get a good source of potassium? Mush up a banana, maybe nuts?
Suddenly I find that molasses has a ton of potassium. If you can find “Blackstrap” molasses it has even more! As for the sodium, I’ll just add some salt. So out of my research, here’s the recipe:
Home-brew power goop:
7 and 1/3 Tablespoons of Honey 3/4 teaspoons of Blackstrap Molasses 1/10 teaspoons (just shy of 1/8 tsp) of table salt
Be sure to mix everything together well, and it should make enough to fill a 5 serving GU flask.
This recipe works nicely. You may see some bubbles on the surface of this stuff, but that is just a natural occurrence of the molasses. One thing really nice is that neither honey nor molasses needs to be refrigerated, so you can keep it in your pocket all day, and even use it the following week. I probably wouldn’t go much past a week, but it should still be good.
The nutritional content approximates 25g carbs, 45mg sodium, 35mg potassium, with plenty of vitamins and minerals that you wouldn’t get with the store bought stuff. Another nice thing about the honey recipe is that it is all natural. Honey comes from bees that get nectar from flowers. Maybe you’ve passed a honeybee hive on a trail, and just maybe there was a bee in there making the honey that you are going to use on your next ride! Ok, that’s a stretch. Molasses is not actually any part of the four-legged mammal, but is refined from sugar cane. As Homer Simpson would say: “Mmmmm, suuuugggarrrrrr.” Salt comes usually from salt mines, but you could always buy “sea-salt” and use that. I suppose “sea salt” comes from the sea, but with truth in advertising at the current lows, who really knows.
My experiment did not end at just the plain ol’ goop. It was still raining out, so I thought back to something I read somewhere about a 4 to 1 carb to protein ratio. I guess that is supposed to be a good thing (Thanks Martha Stewart), so I made a recipe for that too.
Honey goop with a protein kick:
6 Tablespoons of Honey 5/8 teaspoons of Blackstrap Molasses 6 and 3/8 teaspoons of Soy Protein Isolate 1/16 teaspoons of salt 1-3 Tablespoons of water
Mix everything together in a cup, add water as needed to develop a nice ‘goopable’ consistency. Makes 5 servings.
I tried out some of this at the DINO 12-hour race, and it worked pretty well. The Soy protein gives it a nice kick. I wouldn’t leave this one in the sun for too long though. Not that I’ve had any moss growing in it, but I would probably try to keep this one fresh.
Well now that my work is done, and I’ve freed the masses from cookie cutter carb-gels I would like to say that this in not the end, but merely the beginning. Yes, because these are just my recipes, and like the open source code of Linux, they are open for improvement and personalization. I haven’t even started on anything with caffeine, but I imagine that you could substitute some espresso in for the water, or get wild with some ground up ginseng supplements.
There is also the issue of flavoring. Could normal coffee flavoring work, perhaps mix in some flavored Jell-O, or Kool-Aid mix. Or stay all natural and mix in some lemon or orange zest. How about a jalapeno or two? The possibilities are endless. For now I’m going to step aside and let the great mountain bike forum come up with improvements. Until then I’ll be dissecting that recovery powder stuff. Hmmmm, I wonder how that stuff compares to Cheez-its and Miller High-Life?
–Derek Nolek
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Post by marcs on Sept 16, 2007 20:52:37 GMT 8
from tinkering with our ride to actually concocting stuff to make us ride better . . . i love it! will try this on my next ride. thanks guys
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Post by vikecycle on Sept 21, 2007 13:31:16 GMT 8
inexpensive for longrides use steamrice with honey,pack in clearplastic(yung gamit pag-gawa ng yelo)
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Post by flipnidaho on Sept 21, 2007 20:47:30 GMT 8
inexpensive for longrides use steamrice with honey,pack in clearplastic(yung gamit pag-gawa ng yelo) isn't that the same as bibingka?
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Post by wcoastbo on Sept 22, 2007 5:09:51 GMT 8
Good info here. Bottom line is that there are substitutes for most nutrition products. It's the Pinoy way to make our own substitutes for these types of expensive prepackaged products. My mother was very adept at doing so (she was trying to get us to eat sweets made from molassas and honey when we were kids), but we (myself and my siblings) fell for the seduction of advertisers and their mass media marketing power. We only wanted brand name products. We know better now. Powerbar is now a overhyped brand name, but the founder started in his own kitchen by experimenting with different ingredients. With a little research, lots of hard work and an exceptional product anyone can build their own brand name. I encourage all to experiment with nutritional supplements, especially since information is readily available on the web. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerBar@ marcs: I like these types of refillable gel flasks... www.jensonusa.com/store/imgWrapper.aspx?img=/nu/NU409B01CLR.jpg&type=3
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Post by jtoms on Oct 11, 2007 8:48:16 GMT 8
inexpensive for longrides use steamrice with honey,pack in clearplastic(yung gamit pag-gawa ng yelo) isn't that the same as bibingka? OT: talking about bibingka, (starting to get hungry) if you visit davao, go to digos and there you can find the best bibingka.. hehehehe.. contact oyo6u..
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Post by marcs on Oct 16, 2007 11:43:51 GMT 8
What is Blackstrap mollases? And where can you get Soy Protein Isolate (is this Taho? Would love to try this, have already done simple Honey-Water mix. around 100ml honey mixed with 300ml water, and boy is it sweeeeeeeeeet ouch. dunnno if it's the right mix, but seems to have kept me going during the last tri race Honey goop with a protein kick: 6 Tablespoons of Honey 5/8 teaspoons of Blackstrap Molasses 6 and 3/8 teaspoons of Soy Protein Isolate 1/16 teaspoons of salt 1-3 Tablespoons of water
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Post by king on Oct 16, 2007 12:17:07 GMT 8
marcs, you can get protein powder in some health shops (gnc and healthy options probably have it on stock). i have nooo idea where to get molasses though. sugar manufacturers i guess? that's also the stuff they give to racehorses.
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Post by losiphile on Oct 16, 2007 16:55:58 GMT 8
those of you who tried honey, how do you eat it...straight? i tried just this morning and i find it too sweet without pandesal hehe! nangilo yata ngipin ko...there must be a way to dilute it..gaano karami? I like honey. I'm using it now as replacement for sugar in my coffee and ginger tea. I even take it straight, 1 teaspoonful. Before I use it mixed with pure calamansi juice to relieve my sore throat. Honey should not taste sweet just like refined or even red sugar, thats what I think. When I was yet teaching in school, I always buy a gallon of honey that came from Palawan, and I noticed that the smell of it is like wine or something. I think ants are not even attracted to honey just as they are attracted to sugar. Here's two tips I learned from the person that sells me the honey to know that the honey you bought is pure: 1) Have a matchstick, dip the head of it in the honey and then light the matchstick, it should light. If not then honey has a mixed of something that makes the matchstick head wet. 2) Get an onion skin paper, put a few drops of honey in that onion skin paper. The paper should not be wet, if it then there's something added to the the honey. ;D
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Post by Ben Dover on Oct 16, 2007 17:25:54 GMT 8
losiphile, thats a very interesting input...we always have honey at home...my wife buys from the the grocery...i believe its a popular imported american brand...the one that comes in transparent teddy bear bottle.
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