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Post by alfalfameister on Oct 24, 2006 7:55:05 GMT 8
What clinic/doctor do you recommend to test Maximum Heart Rate? I know it could be done with a heart rate monitor and doing maximum effort (maybe several times to get an accurate reading), but I can't suggest that to a 70 year old man (I'm planning to give my father-in-law a heart rate monitor for his birthday). [EDIT: I really don't like the 220 (or 225) minus Age computation. ] So, a clinic/doctor/controlled environment is what is called for in this situation... any suggestions? And would you know, more-or-less, how much it would be? Thanks!
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Post by lucban on Oct 24, 2006 9:22:35 GMT 8
brad. you dont need to go to a clinic to get your max. heart rate. just compute it using the MHR formula(just google it/there's a lot of new computation available in the web.)Get Heart rate zone base on your MHR and your ready to go.If your going to give HR monitor to your Father in Law,you better consult MD first if this kind of exercise with HR monitor is applicable.
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Post by alfalfameister on Oct 24, 2006 10:24:35 GMT 8
The calculations/formulae are all well and good, and are "best guess" but not very accurate. They are fairly accurate ESTIMATES, and I'm really looking for an accurate, clinically controlled one (hey, supervising a SEVENTY YEAR OLD man take his MHR is not something I want to do, haha!). My Father-in-Law only does walking, but it would be good if he can maintain a 60-75% of his MHR so he can really benefit from his walking.
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Post by roel on Oct 24, 2006 14:29:02 GMT 8
brad. you dont need to go to a clinic to get your max. heart rate. just compute it using the MHR formula(just google it/there's a lot of new computation available in the web.)Get Heart rate zone base on your MHR and your ready to go.If your going to give HR monitor to your Father in Law,you better consult MD first if this kind of exercise with HR monitor is applicable. No computation nor formula will lead you to a more realistic heart index (maxhr in particular) Never rely on what webs will give you. Simulation of the planned activity or exercise is still the best way to get it (take note, that heart index differs on different activities), you may get a different Maxhr on biking vs running, etc. Define the purpose (of using it), simulate under supervision & controlled environment, if possible.
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Post by woofers on Oct 24, 2006 18:08:58 GMT 8
My Father-in-Law only does walking, but it would be good if he can maintain a 60-75% of his MHR so he can really benefit from his walking. Is he training for a marathon? Dude, he's 70. If he wants to walk at 40% MHR or even less and enjoy the pace, let him. There's benefit enough there. Unless he's seriously training for competition, it's probably better for him to learn to listen to his body than to try to force himself to meet some artificial "target".
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Post by alfalfameister on Oct 24, 2006 21:12:14 GMT 8
Of course, walking is great for him. But he wants to lose weight, and I have been reading that 60-70% of MHR is the way to do it. And 60-70% is not anything close to stressful. Anyway, thanks for the concern and advice! ... but no one has recommendation of where to go to test MHR?
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Post by BrusKO on Oct 24, 2006 21:23:39 GMT 8
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Post by jr on Oct 24, 2006 21:47:41 GMT 8
I've tested with stress test a year ago (treadmill) for irregular spike on my EKG test. The doctor base on my age for the max heart rate for the test. Even though I'll be able to go over my max heart for a period of time but the doctor stops 3 minutes at my max. I remember asking him "how much time a person can go more beyond there max heart rate?" He said some person it can go 20% more of there max heart rate for a 15 -30 minutes. But it takes longer to recover for those person doing training. Go to polar website and will give a little info for maximum heart rate.
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Post by lucban on Oct 27, 2006 9:59:41 GMT 8
Of course, walking is great for him. But he wants to lose weight, and I have been reading that 60-70% of MHR is the way to do it. And 60-70% is not anything close to stressful. Anyway, thanks for the concern and advice! ... but no one has recommendation of where to go to test MHR? brad. 60 to 70% is hard for a typical 70 y/o Asian(Filipino).You better consult MD first/stress test if possible with a cardiologist.60% and above is almost anaerobic level and exercising on this level for more than 5 min. is use for competition level prep.For losing wt.,you can use 40 to 50% for 5 min. to as tolerated.Always remember - low intensity,long duration ex.(40 to 50% for 20 to 30min or as tolerated for building endurance and losing wt.Good luck!
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Post by proroids on Nov 21, 2006 17:04:07 GMT 8
Maximum heart rate computation is 220 minus age. Thats all. Easy huh. Cardio vascular work out hr is 80% of your MHR and for fat loss is 60-70% of your MHR
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Post by alfalfameister on Nov 25, 2006 19:32:33 GMT 8
I guess you didn't get to carefully read the first post in this thread. Anyway, I have a copy of Joe Friel's excellent Total Heart Rate Training (really an excellent book), and it says that it is just not worth it to test for MHR. Looking for LTHR (Lactate Threshold Heart Rate) is better, less stressful, and more useful than MHR. I'm glad I got the book. Besides, the 220 minus age has only about 50% chance of being correct, and 50% chance of being GROSSLY incorrect (both useless AND dangerous to boot). So, sorry to disagree about it being "that's all" and "easy".
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Post by rt on Nov 25, 2006 20:46:45 GMT 8
What clinic/doctor do you recommend to test Maximum Heart Rate? I know it could be done with a heart rate monitor and doing maximum effort (maybe several times to get an accurate reading), but I can't suggest that to a 70 year old man (I'm planning to give my father-in-law a heart rate monitor for his birthday). [EDIT: I really don't like the 220 (or 225) minus Age computation. ] So, a clinic/doctor/controlled environment is what is called for in this situation... any suggestions? And would you know, more-or-less, how much it would be? Thanks! A 70 year old man working at his max. heart rate? You're joking!
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Post by allegra on Nov 26, 2006 0:26:11 GMT 8
If he wants to lose weight , dapat sa diet instead of messing around w/ his heart rate
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Post by BrusKO on Nov 26, 2006 6:49:18 GMT 8
I guess you didn't get to carefully read the first post in this thread. Anyway, I have a copy of Joe Friel's excellent Total Heart Rate Training (really an excellent book), and it says that it is just not worth it to test for MHR. Looking for LTHR (Lactate Threshold Heart Rate) is better, less stressful, and more useful than MHR. I'm glad I got the book. Besides, the 220 minus age has only about 50% chance of being correct, and 50% chance of being GROSSLY incorrect (both useless AND dangerous to boot). So, sorry to disagree about it being "that's all" and "easy". Maybe you can share with us what you picked up in this books of yours... Perhaps how to get LTHR.
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Post by yukon on Nov 26, 2006 7:06:37 GMT 8
st lukes...just had one (but doctor wanted a kattus stress test) last tuesday. 2.4k for OPD (corporate rate 1.8k). supervised by a fellow cardio and 2 nurses...needs a recommendation by his cardio to get one.
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Post by alfalfameister on Nov 26, 2006 7:51:24 GMT 8
First of all, I would like to thank those people who gave me the information I wanted -- that's all I asked anyway. This being the internet, passing judgement is inevitable, so that's okay, too. Hahah. (The following is Off Topic na, sorry...) @ Brusko... If you're from Libis, I'm just in Pasig. Since you're a well known guy here, why don't you come over to my house sometime and I'll lend you the books (for free, of course). Bahala ka na if you just want to read them or photocopy them, but I am a book junkie and am rather attached to my books, so 1-week lang pahiram ko, ha? Here, choose from these: Joe Friel Cyclist Training Bible 3rd Ed Joe Friel Mountain Biker's Training Bible Joe Friel Cycling Past 50 Joe Friel Total Heart Rate Training ... halata ba I like Joe Friel? Sally Edwards and Sally Reed Heart Zones Cycling: The Avid Cyclist's Guide to Riding Faster and Farther (Heart Zones) Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team: Teach Your Kid How to Ride a Bike Dede Demet Barry: Fitness Cycling Greg Lemond's Complete Book of Bicycling Owning the above books might make one believe I'm a total cycling junkie, which would be far from the truth (I only have a mild interest in cycling)... I'm no fitness guru or anything, but I just like books... I'm just a book junkie.
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