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Post by Julio on Feb 11, 2007 21:31:18 GMT 8
That is all bullshit... there is nothing wrong with taking a bath after exercise, whether it be cold water or warm. Hell, we jump right into the freezing falls during a ride to Irid or Puray after a lung-busting climb. Why can't we shower in the comfort of your home after a ride? The veins pop out because you suddenly released pressure from tight shoes. It has nothing to do with wetting it. If there was, all triathletes and adventure racers would have veins exploding after doing all that running and cycling then jumping into oceans and rivers or pools!
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Post by pjax on Feb 11, 2007 21:46:39 GMT 8
i think it occurs when you do it consistently, not only during a race or the occasional ride to puray. dude, it happened to the graphic artist's hand, the taxi driver's legs and my left foot! plus, my younger sister believes in it. can't beat that!
on a serious note, can anyone else correlate bulging veins and wetting body parts? any testimonies?
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Post by Julio on Feb 11, 2007 22:01:44 GMT 8
Well i'm pretty sure triathletes, adventure racers, and avid cyclists get consistently wet during the rainy season here in our country. I train athletes for a living and no single one has complained of pasma or trouble with veins. When an athlete sprains an ankle, first thing we do is apply ice (inside a ziploc bag) right on the body part. When professional players end their practice sessions, first thing you will see is they ice their ankles and knees. In other countries, they take ice-cold baths right after training which has been shown to promote the recovery process in muscles. Now if something cold causes bulging veins and the like, these practices would make all pro and serious athletes have really ugly legs...
Who would you rather believe? The science and research regarding cold baths or your friendly neighborhood mechanic and taxi driver?
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Post by yukon on Feb 12, 2007 5:13:09 GMT 8
I take a bath immediately after biking coz I have to be in work clothes ASAP. Been doing that for the longest time...I noticed I still get sweaty after taking a shower. Must be the excess heat trapped in my body.
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Post by g.b.b on Feb 12, 2007 6:57:59 GMT 8
what about varicose veins? why does it pop out?
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Post by Julio on Feb 12, 2007 9:06:17 GMT 8
Varicose veins Varicose veins are abnormally and permanently enlarged, twisted surface veins, most commonly seen in the legs.
To help with blood movement in the body there are small valves in the veins. These keep blood flowing towards the heart. The valves close as blood flows through the veins to prevent the blood from running backwards. If the valves become damaged, blood back flows and pools in the veins causing them to bulge.
Varicose veins affect about two out of ten adults.
Varicose veins cause a variety of symptoms, including swelling, aching, discomfort or pain in the legs. They can also cause problems such as blood clots in the veins, skin rashes or skin ulcers.
What can I do about varicose veins? The cause of varicose veins is unknown. Most stories about the causes are folklore. Varicose veins have no known link to diet, constipation, tight garments, garters, crossing the legs, sunbathing or waxing the legs.
Seventy per cent of people with varicose veins have an immediate relative, such as mother or sister, who also has varicose veins. In addition to family factors, other factors which increase your chance of developing varicose veins are a job that involves standing on your feet or sitting down for long periods, obesity, lack of exercise, and the number of pregnancies.
The following treatments can help with varicose veins:
Support stockings and bandages to support the veins and muscles in the legs to prevent blood pooling and also hide the veins. They can be used to tightly cover the skin and press the walls of the varicose veins closer together. This helps blood flow in the veins.
Medication to assist in relieving the aches and pains associated with varicose veins. For some patients, a surgeon may prescribe a diuretic drug, which reduces swelling of the legs by increasing the amount of urine passed.
Injections of a solution into the vein that causes an irritation to the vein. The leg is then bandaged to push the vein walls together so that it is sealed off with scar tissue. Bandaging is required for three to six days for small veins and from three to six weeks for larger veins. Bandaging is required to stop blood clots forming inside the vein after the injections.
Surgery. The procedure is now far less intrusive with a shorter time spent in hospital. The patient is usually admitted to hospital on the evening before, or on the day of the operation. The operation may be carried out in various ways. Some surgeons simply tie off the vein while others remove or strip some or all of the vein. After surgery, the legs are usually firmly bandaged to reduce bruising.
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Post by cronux35 on Feb 12, 2007 9:37:54 GMT 8
there is no such thing as "pasma", as most doctors would say though some contradict this! but like a car engine, the body need to cool down. a short pahing and a quick shower(most preferebly tap water) should do the trick!
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Post by cronux35 on Feb 12, 2007 9:41:58 GMT 8
most peep think that varicose veins are caused by the so called "pasma" but most study shows that the enlargment of the veis are usually cause by toxin in the body which we get from the food we eat!
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Post by g.b.b on Feb 12, 2007 10:37:45 GMT 8
coz i've seing lot of bikers have varicose veins....... just last sunday........ when i had a stop over in giant store in maarat-afp route.......im afaid i might also have that (varicose) especially i take a bath right after biking with warm water........ well....that's just scares me.
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Post by kulot_salot on Feb 12, 2007 11:02:35 GMT 8
coz i've seing lot of bikers have varicose veins....... just last sunday........ when i had a stop over in giant store in maarat-afp route.......im afaid i might also have that (varicose) especially i take a bath right after biking with warm water........ well....that's just scares me. gbb... it's ok if it surfaced on other part of the body diba? ;D
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Post by Dragunov on Feb 12, 2007 11:12:38 GMT 8
coz i've seing lot of bikers have varicose veins....... just last sunday........ when i had a stop over in giant store in maarat-afp route.......im afaid i might also have that (varicose) especially i take a bath right after biking with warm water........ well....that's just scares me. gbb... it's ok if it surfaced on other part of the body diba? ;D where exactly james? dare you to post it ;D ;D ;D
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Post by kulot_salot on Feb 12, 2007 11:29:24 GMT 8
the forearms pete...... the forearms.......... ;D squeezing the brakes will really make those veins jump-out, diba? also................. it'll show that you're a very 'handy man'........ if you know what i mean..... ;D handy man: very useful in chores and repairs around the house....... utak nyo! ;D
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Post by xctofi on Feb 12, 2007 14:09:40 GMT 8
Who would you rather believe? The science and research regarding cold baths or your friendly neighborhood mechanic and taxi driver? Right on Julio. this is one thing i cant understand with some folks. they tend to believe "other people" more than the doctors and the experts.
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Post by trailblaster on Feb 12, 2007 14:25:09 GMT 8
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Post by Ben Dover on Feb 12, 2007 16:11:39 GMT 8
Who would you rather believe? The science and research regarding cold baths or your friendly neighborhood mechanic and taxi driver? Right on Julio. this is one thing i cant understand with some folks. they tend to believe "other people" more than the doctors and the experts. then why the hell do i often get "get a second opinion" advice?
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Post by Julio on Feb 12, 2007 16:19:15 GMT 8
you get a second opinion advice on anything you do... bike parts, buying a house, etc... but you don't get advice from a bike store owner regarding your health problems, nor do you get advice from your doctor on what parts will make you faster, diba? When you get a second opinion, you still get it from someone qualified to give an opinion on that matter
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Post by Ben Dover on Feb 12, 2007 16:32:44 GMT 8
ok let me play the part of the devil's advocate here...i believe that doctors of today, even scientists that there are still a lot of things in the field of medicine that they know little about...is it possible that pasma is one one of them?
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Post by Julio on Feb 12, 2007 17:39:37 GMT 8
First of all, we must have a working definition of what "pasma" really is? People who say there is such a thing, can you please explain it first. Baka naman, different pa yun interpretations of the different people... Then we'll go into that discussion
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Post by Ben Dover on Feb 12, 2007 17:53:08 GMT 8
First of all, we must have a working definition of what "pasma" really is? People who say there is such a thing, can you please explain it first. Baka naman, different pa yun interpretations of the different people... Then we'll go into that discussion yup, i must agree...ano nga ba yan? what are the symptoms?
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Post by bikedaddy on Feb 12, 2007 17:55:14 GMT 8
ok let me play the part of the devil's advocate here...i believe that doctors of today, even scientists that there are still a lot of things in the field of medicine that they know little about...is it possible that pasma is one one of them? That is correct tolits, there are many things that the science of medicine still knows little or nothing at all. The science behind erectile dysfunction did not come into light until just recently and of course we all know that generations before us had always blamed pasma for this...."lola, how come lolo is always cranky?"....."bear with him my dear apo, pasmado na kasi si lolo mo" ;D ;D ;D....In my limited experience in the rural setting, I've often encountered pasma as more of a cultural diagnosis. People tend to conclude pasma as a result of an unexplained illness. Stroke is a common diagnosis for people with "pasma", notorious but less common are MS(Multiple Sclerosis) and Parkinson's Disease. Once tremor shows on the hands of a PD patient, his neighbor will surely diagnose it as "pasma"....or the sudden loss of mobility of Tandang Gusting's left limbs, "pasma rin yan".....More often than not, I was able to explain to my patients their medical condition (except for those who by sheer misfortune trampled upon "duwendes and lamang lupa or nakulam ng kapre") ;D....The truth is, if you bring a pasma-patient to a doctor, chances are that MD can and will always find a way to give that patient a proper diagnosis. Now my fingers hurt........ hilot?
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Post by Ben Dover on Feb 12, 2007 18:25:42 GMT 8
very enlightening doc jason...is it correct to say that pasma exist and that it is a common tao term for certain types of illnesses or symptoms? mali? oist, speaking of erectile dysfunction/impotence..you are right...doctors used to say to patients that its all in their heads now they know that some diseases like diabetis, smoking etc. can cause this. now, about your finger...if its the middle, thats definitely a "pasma" ;D use both index and middle fingers in washing drinking glasses otherwise you will strain your middle finger too much
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Post by Ben Dover on Feb 12, 2007 18:31:22 GMT 8
oops sorry fingers pala sabi
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Post by bikedaddy on Feb 12, 2007 19:01:00 GMT 8
.....I use gloves and 3 of my fingers when washing the dishes.....and drinking glasses ;D
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Post by weekendrider on Feb 12, 2007 22:53:07 GMT 8
Been taking very warm shower after ride for so long. It is refreshing and feels like I'm recharge. Cold shower after, I believe it's a not good idea.
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Post by allegra on Feb 12, 2007 23:26:00 GMT 8
I just noticed a lot of veins popping out when I git thinner They werent there when I was fat
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Post by arcireyes on Feb 13, 2007 9:38:16 GMT 8
to the experts:
what about those nodules (or in manghihilot's term-lamig) trapped in the bodies that they try to break-up (even PT does it, right)?
to share an experience:
i was suffering from this leg pain (binti) right after every jogging session until one of my employees who was good in hilot, made hilot to me one time. during the hilot* session he told me that there was so much lamig (nodules in PT jargon yata, not so sure ha) trapped in my legs that was causing the pain that he needs to break it up to ease, if not totally take-out the pain. he told me that lamig enters my legs because i don't allow myself sufficient rest before taking a shower after my jogging session. that part i don't believe him, but on the other part about lamig (or nodules) accumulating in the muscles, it seems believable, is there is a scientific or medical explanation for this one?
and by the way, after that hilot sessions (2x to totally break the lamig), i never felt pain in my legs anymore.
*(hilot=massage, is that the correct translation? or muscle therapy?) forgive my limited knowledge of the english vocabulary.
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Post by weekendrider on Feb 13, 2007 11:06:36 GMT 8
Am no expert, but I believe hilot is like a massage. Massage on a tired muscles feels good. I do the same thing on a cramp muscle. And masahe with a young chix with a soft hand after a ride.................how much? I don't know what you guys are thinking. to the experts: what about those nodules (or in manghihilot's term-lamig) trapped in the bodies that they try to break-up (even PT does it, right)? to share an experience: i was suffering from this leg pain (binti) right after every jogging session until one of my employees who was good in hilot, made hilot to me one time. during the hilot* session he told me that there was so much lamig (nodules in PT jargon yata, not so sure ha) trapped in my legs that was causing the pain that he needs to break it up to ease, if not totally take-out the pain. he told me that lamig enters my legs because i don't allow myself sufficient rest before taking a shower after my jogging session. that part i don't believe him, but on the other part about lamig (or nodules) accumulating in the muscles, it seems believable, is there is a scientific or medical explanation for this one? and by the way, after that hilot sessions (2x to totally break the lamig), i never felt pain in my legs anymore. *(hilot=massage, is that the correct translation? or muscle therapy?) forgive my limited knowledge of the english vocabulary.
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Post by allegra on Feb 13, 2007 22:17:54 GMT 8
I'm an amateur masseuse ( i dont get paid , I think what they call lamig are stress lesions It's that in the muscle that makes lagutok when you massage it . about hilots There's a hilot I go to for my knee because my kneecap is not tracking properly He was recommended by a swimmer friend of mine who's got a problem w/ his shoulder The guys touch is so soothing he could take away the pain after a session Usually , I almost cant walk when I go to him and wind up riding my bike the next day Kaso , when I start running , the pain comes back again But it's ok , a session only costs a pack of philip morris
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Post by solid snake ™ on Feb 14, 2007 10:23:18 GMT 8
fresh water is different from salt water (beach)
after exercise you can swim over the sea as long as you want and there is no effect after all... compare to swim or take a bath over the fresh water ill tried it for several times...there is a big difference between the two as my experience
conclusion: its better to take a bath in salt water than fresh water
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Post by arcireyes on Feb 14, 2007 11:55:52 GMT 8
wouldn't that be a sticky after-bath feeling brad. (jk) hehehe
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