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Post by allegra on Feb 21, 2006 23:15:31 GMT 8
Someone raised an interesting point sa PCN about the Tour of Langkawi RP bets He said , we should have skipped this years race and instead concentrated the funds in preparing for next years race Someone, I think a PinoyMTBiker member na mahilig manggulo replied that joining the tour this year IS training kasi the riders are exposed to the actual race conditions. Who's right? I tend agree w/ the first guy
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Post by BrusKO on Feb 21, 2006 23:23:10 GMT 8
not exactly training per se... just experience that will help the training. given of course, the rider is joing a race for the first time. bottomline, i tend to believe the gnat. pasaway eh!
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Post by allegra on Feb 22, 2006 9:39:56 GMT 8
hehe gnat! ako yung magulo na PinoyMTBiker member na yun!
I teach and coach a few people in another sport na lumalaban sa local and abroad plus a lot of newbies If I divided 2 groups of guys 1 group practices regularly w/ program pero doesnt compete 2nd group , does not practice at all but competes every week , hasa sa labanan
I've observed that the 2nd group performs better than the first group by a wide margin pag pinag laban mo sila
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Post by BrusKO on Feb 22, 2006 9:49:18 GMT 8
thats a different story brad. kung everyweek yun competition, then you can afford to have your training days on the competition day itself.
i think the big factor here is the experience. but lets not take "training" out of the equation. i also believe its as important as the factor of experience.
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Post by Ben Dover on Feb 22, 2006 9:55:12 GMT 8
hehe gnat! ako yung magulo na PinoyMTBiker member na yun! I teach and coach a few people in another sport na lumalaban sa local and abroad plus a lot of newbies If I divided 2 groups of guys 1 group practices regularly w/ program pero doesnt compete 2nd group , does not practice at all but competes every week , hasa sa labanan I've observed that the 2nd group performs better than the first group by a wide margin pag pinag laban mo sila add a third group that regularly trains and competes...my bet is on that group. depende rin siguro sa type of sport...what type of sport your case study involved into?
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Post by allegra on Feb 22, 2006 11:54:35 GMT 8
hehe gnat! ako yung magulo na PinoyMTBiker member na yun! I teach and coach a few people in another sport na lumalaban sa local and abroad plus a lot of newbies If I divided 2 groups of guys 1 group practices regularly w/ program pero doesnt compete 2nd group , does not practice at all but competes every week , hasa sa labanan I've observed that the 2nd group performs better than the first group by a wide margin pag pinag laban mo sila add a third group that regularly trains and competes...my bet is on that group. depende rin siguro sa type of sport...what type of sport your case study involved into? Ok, I'll be more specific The first group practices 2 days a week , drills and match simulations The 2nd group competes , pero if yu remove the waiting time, the competition lasts only an hour Both groups are not beginners, advanced na sila solid na ang fundamentals ( there was a 3rd group actually pero the answer would be too obvious when both groups compete against each other , olats ang 1st group It has to do w/ the mental game There's no pressure sa practice I've had a seasoned competitor tell me nwawala 20% sa performance nya on big matches My experience is the same as his The sport is practical shooting w/c is quite similar to golf ( Curiously din , I'm a newbie triathlete pero I dont get nervous sa triathlon , while I'm a vet in IPSC , makita ko pa lang yung match venue , pinapawisan nako ) But I'm curious if all this translates well to cycling and other endurance sports that involves more gross motor skills than Fine MS
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Post by marcs on Feb 22, 2006 12:11:18 GMT 8
I think it's like those Tag Heuer adds . . . 'Success, it's a mind game.' or 'Don't crack under pressure.'
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Post by allegra on Feb 22, 2006 12:27:52 GMT 8
Was it Jordan or Yogi Berra who said the, 90% mental ang big games
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Post by Ben Dover on Feb 22, 2006 13:19:55 GMT 8
no doubt confidence plays a big role in game...but i would really help a lot in the mind game aspect of the game if you knew that you have the proper training and exposure to win...clears the mind marvelously as they say. jordan probaby said that because he knew he already had the training required...ano pa nga ba matitira kundi sa isip na lang...as allegra said may nerbyos parin...tiger woods, the best golfer ever is no exception to that...i guess if you want something really really bad talagang ganun...it should go hand in hand...training helps you to relax and erase/minimize the doubts...exposure to actual competitions helps you gain experience and confidence...all of these i believe will eventually help in the mind game area to have focus and overcome fears. although i dont compete i used to hunt...believe you me...no matter how good shot you think you are the first time you see the game on your crosshairs that you really want to bag? your mouth will go dry...you pulse will skyrocket...your breathing will become harder...your palms will have cold sweat...and you will find it hard to maintain a good aim at your target the next one should be a lot easier for you.
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Post by allegra on Feb 22, 2006 13:32:53 GMT 8
Definitely , I'm not advocating wag mag train hehe and true, training gives yu the confidence pero not the confidence that being there before gives you Analogy - since this topic is popular w/ PinoyMTBiker - sa courtship 101 You can ask tips hanggang 10 pages and practice all you want about getting a girlfriend Pero it's real different pag nasa harap mo na yung girl of your dreams Your well practiced lines and killer moves goes down the drain Yan ang pressure
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Post by allegra on Feb 22, 2006 13:41:35 GMT 8
When I used to research about the mental side of competitions , i came across a book by Jordan written by David Halberstram
Sabi dun , what differentiates the superstars from the other talented athletes?? "It's the ability to make the shot ,when the game is on the line"
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Post by marcs on Feb 22, 2006 14:16:43 GMT 8
I think the point is focusing on a more holistic training. Most focus on the physical side only (hammering till you drop), but it seems the path to victory (naks) requires some mental training as well (and perhaps other factors as well). Sure you might perform well above your peers already even without all these other stuff, but imagine how much more you'll perform if you take it into account. And since as pointed out we love the topic courtship 101, when you're there faced with your dream girl, and you have the guts to stand there infront of her, it certainly would help if you are loaded with lots of witty things to say
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Post by marcs on Feb 22, 2006 14:22:55 GMT 8
jordan probaby said that because he knew he already had the training required...ano pa nga ba matitira kundi sa isip na lang...as allegra said may nerbyos parin...tiger woods, the best golfer ever is no exception to that...i guess if you want something really really bad talagang ganun...it should go hand in hand...training helps you to relax and erase/minimize the doubts...exposure to actual competitions helps you gain experience and confidence...all of these i believe will eventually help in the mind game area to have focus and overcome fears. I read it somewhere, about conditioning your body such that it doesn't take much conscious thought to perform stuff. I think you only get this through training and experience. Ika nga sa Last Samurai, 'No mind . . . ' some people call it flow, etc. Pero isn't it reaching this state where you are running sort of at the unconscious level that your perform at your best? I dunno, pero almost all of my semplangs where those moments when fear gripped me and the conscious suddenly started screaming 'BRAKE, TURN, LOOK AT THAT ROCK, DO THIS, DO THAT!' ;D
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Post by Ben Dover on Feb 22, 2006 14:35:46 GMT 8
on sport psychology: "instinctive" i guess is another term. on courtship 101: so you see its just another sport hahaha! ;D joke lang ladies. laki po ako sa lola...sila allegra at marcs nagsabi nun.
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Post by Onie on Feb 22, 2006 20:02:35 GMT 8
When I used to research about the mental side of competitions , i came across a book by Jordan written by David Halberstram Sabi dun , what differentiates the superstars from the other talented athletes?? It's the ability to make the shot ,when the game is on the line" You can't take away Michael's game. There's too much for a single player to handle. Stop the shooting, the rebounds start falling into his hands. Put a lumbering giant on him in the paint, he'll burn the guy with a coast-to-coast sprint. Blink once, he'll steal the ball. Well, those are the ol' good days of the Bulls. A dynasty* to be reminisced forever. Maybe gene pool has also something to do with it. Trivia ( only) In 1997, Chicago Bulls became only the third franchise ever to win as many as five NBA championships in a seven-year period, joining the 1949-54 Minneapolis Lakers (five) & 1956-69 Boston Celtics (11).
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Post by allegra on Feb 22, 2006 23:44:21 GMT 8
jordan probaby said that because he knew he already had the training required...ano pa nga ba matitira kundi sa isip na lang...as allegra said may nerbyos parin...tiger woods, the best golfer ever is no exception to that...i guess if you want something really really bad talagang ganun...it should go hand in hand...training helps you to relax and erase/minimize the doubts...exposure to actual competitions helps you gain experience and confidence...all of these i believe will eventually help in the mind game area to have focus and overcome fears. I read it somewhere, about conditioning your body such that it doesn't take much conscious thought to perform stuff. I think you only get this through training and experience. Ika nga sa Last Samurai, 'No mind . . . ' some people call it flow, etc. Pero isn't it reaching this state where you are running sort of at the unconscious level that your perform at your best? I dunno, pero almost all of my semplangs where those moments when fear gripped me and the conscious suddenly started screaming 'BRAKE, TURN, LOOK AT THAT ROCK, DO THIS, DO THAT!' ;D ah, you just hit my fave nail n the head You have your best performanc when your subconscious takes over I used to think that zen stuff was bs, di ko maintindihan Isang library nabuo ko filled w/ sports psych books Everything comes together when it becomes automatic I'm sure our downhill brothers have made record run times on a DH course pero they couldnt figure out what they did differently Basta everthing is so relaxed , and parang your just floating over the rough stuff. Yun na yun Re: Jordan , Lance , tiger Woods etc whenever great players play , the higher the pressure daw , the better they perform
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Post by allegra on Feb 22, 2006 23:55:17 GMT 8
on sport psychology: "instinctive" i guess is another term. on courtship 101: so you see its just another sport hahaha! ;D joke lang ladies. laki po ako sa lola...sila allegra at marcs nagsabi nun. analogy lang yun, laki rin ako sa yaya este sa lola pala
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Post by feline13 on Feb 23, 2006 7:33:48 GMT 8
I'm sure our downhill brothers have made record run times on a DH course pero they couldnt figure out what they did differently Basta everthing is so relaxed , and parang your just floating over the rough stuff. Yun na yun yeah.. everything for them is automatic. i remember when i had my 2nd DH trail, the scary gnarly grotto trails.. i was trying to "memorize" and eventually "internalize" the sequence... at first i try to see it as a step by step process via the "Concious state" sumthin like this.. Step 1. pedal while standing up. maintain balance Step 2. look for center of gravity during rolls on ledges Step 3. dont hold on to your brakes and let the tires roll etc etc etc.. my ananlysis eventually turned out to be a major discussion of difrent learning styles (mine is via step by step analysis vs. "dapat-sabay-sabay-yun" mentality) and how one overcomes the learning curve. eventually, i tend to get all these things mixed up because "oo! kelangan ko pa i memorize yun!" while for them its like breathing air and their quick reflexes are part of the subconcious already that they dont have to think anymore.. yeah. constant practice i guess.
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Post by janix on Feb 23, 2006 7:37:51 GMT 8
just like what my coach (marcs) advised me, i must have a State of Flow... let everything do their thing, what you do is just sit on your bike, and let your body do the rest.
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Post by xctofi on Feb 23, 2006 7:55:10 GMT 8
yeah, some call it being "in the zone". noticed that before as well during my B-ball days, one memorable game i had, everything i throw at the hoops goes in. did a 16/18 shooting,rebs etc all up the scale.one of my biggest scoring games (in B-Ball and uhmmm...the "other" game ;D ). its like you feel everything jives in, flowing together in perfect harmony,body and mind that everything you do seems to be perfect. now that will be a great feeling when racing XC!
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Post by allegra on Feb 23, 2006 9:52:12 GMT 8
I'm sure our downhill brothers have made record run times on a DH course pero they couldnt figure out what they did differently Basta everthing is so relaxed , and parang your just floating over the rough stuff. Yun na yun yeah.. everything for them is automatic. i remember when i had my 2nd DH trail, the scary gnarly grotto trails.. i was trying to "memorize" and eventually "internalize" the sequence... at first i try to see it as a step by step process via the "Concious state" sumthin like this.. Step 1. pedal while standing up. maintain balance Step 2. look for center of gravity during rolls on ledges Step 3. dont hold on to your brakes and let the tires roll etc etc etc.. my ananlysis eventually turned out to be a major discussion of difrent learning styles (mine is via step by step analysis vs. "dapat-sabay-sabay-yun" mentality) and how one overcomes the learning curve. eventually, i tend to get all these things mixed up because "oo! kelangan ko pa i memorize yun!" while for them its like breathing air and their quick reflexes are part of the subconcious already that they dont have to think anymore.. yeah. constant practice i guess. Check this out Feline ( especially the visualization part ) www.mindtools.com/page11.htmlVery basic ang concepts dyan but it's really easy to understand than those zen golf books On one of the old DH vcd's , I saw Missy Giove visualizing on a trainer before a DH run
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