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Post by allegra on Jul 13, 2005 0:54:16 GMT 8
So whats the procedure when your bitten by a snake?What hospital has anti-venom ( venin?)?
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Post by anthrax76 on Jul 13, 2005 10:20:12 GMT 8
hospital, hmm...i have no idea, maybe PGH.
but you have to know what kind of snake bit you. otherwise the doctor might not be able to give you anti-venom (venin, i think is french).
procedure, this is what i learned from first aid. 1) make an "x" mark on the wound, let it bleed. if you want to suck the blood, make sure you don't have any injury in the mouth.
2) torniquet the affected area (last resort, it sometimes kills the limb)
there is a Coghlan first aid kit (#2) i think that is specific for snake bites. i haven't tried it but it contains a suction device.
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Post by alien_scream on Jul 13, 2005 10:55:18 GMT 8
they taught us in first aid never to suck out the venom? ?
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Post by allegra on Jul 13, 2005 11:15:00 GMT 8
hospital, hmm...i have no idea, maybe PGH. but you have to know what kind of snake bit you. otherwise the doctor might not be able to give you anti-venom (venin, i think is french). procedure, this is what i learned from first aid. 1) make an "x" mark on the wound, let it bleed. if you want to suck the blood, make sure you don't have any injury in the mouth. 2) torniquet the affected area (last resort, it sometimes kills the limb) there is a Coghlan first aid kit (#2) i think that is specific for snake bites. i haven't tried it but it contains a suction device. I think RITM has the anti-venom, not sure though What do you mean an x mark? Ang alam ko din, you shouldnt suck on the wound
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Post by Ben Dover on Jul 13, 2005 11:44:57 GMT 8
how about that stone(?)...but i heard someone sez its not actually a stone but a piece of deer horn..what ever it is..you're suppose to place it over the bite wound and its suppose to suck out the venom..tutuo ba yan?
how do natives treat snake bites..
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Post by anthrax76 on Jul 13, 2005 12:15:44 GMT 8
I think RITM has the anti-venom, not sure though What do you mean an x mark? Ang alam ko din, you shouldnt suck on the wound ooops, suck and spit. but that is "if and only if" you don't have any wounds inside the mouth. i have multiple fillings and 4 crowns (jackets) so i'm not qualified to do this. the "x" mark, hmm...in the books, you're supposed to make an incision to draw the blood out, haven't done this though. oh yeah, i forgot to add, take a look at the snakebite first. if there are 2 prominent holes, it's 90% poisonous snake. the there are uniform sized small holes, most likely it's not poisonous because the snake has no fangs to carry it, so just ride on, he he he
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Post by coolangot ☺ on Jul 13, 2005 12:18:09 GMT 8
Ben Dover: Yeah I think they call it "walo-walo" It is said that it sticks to the woun which has poisons- like snakebites or dogbites. I think they're from a deer's horn from Mindoro.
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Post by anthrax76 on Jul 13, 2005 12:30:41 GMT 8
guys, got this from: www.wf.net/~snake/firsdisc.htmThe venom is not harmful to the mouth. It has no taste and no odor. It is dangerous only when in contact with body fluids. A person can ingest this substance without any concern. It can come into contact with surface skin without concern, and there are numerous examples of various incidents where such intense contact and ingestion have resulted in absolutely no symptoms. As a matter of course, though, this is a mouth-produced, non-sterile fluid which may contain any number of less appealing elements or bacteria that could make for complications, so it should be avoided at best if possible.
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Post by woofers on Jul 13, 2005 17:42:02 GMT 8
Two mountainbikers go out riding in the wilderness. One takes a spill and suddenly a rattlesnake pops out of nowhere and bites him in the lawit. His buddy calls his doctor on the cellphone ...
MTBer: Doc, my buddy just got bitten by a rattler! What do I do? Doc: You have to suck out all the venom! MTBer: What else can I do? Doc: That's all. If you just suck out the venom and get him to an ER your friend will be ok! No problem! MTBer: And if I don't suck it out? Doc: He'll die. MTBer: Ok, thanks Doc! <hangs up>
Snakebite Victim: Well? What did the doctor say? MTBer: Sorry brad. Doc says you're gonna die.
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Post by Ben Dover on Jul 13, 2005 18:14:39 GMT 8
Two mountainbikers go out riding in the wilderness. One takes a spill and suddenly a rattlesnake pops out of nowhere and bites him in the lawit. His buddy calls his doctor on the cellphone ... MTBer: Doc, my buddy just got bitten by a rattler! What do I do? Doc: You have to suck out all the venom! MTBer: What else can I do? Doc: That's all. If you just suck out the venom and get him to an ER your friend will be ok! No problem! MTBer: And if I don't suck it out? Doc: He'll die. MTBer: Ok, thanks Doc! <hangs up> Snakebite Victim: Well? What did the doctor say? MTBer: Sorry brad. Doc says you're gonna die. there...having a meztiso (half filipino half filipina) mtb companion isnt bad at all..
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Post by jr on Jul 13, 2005 21:21:48 GMT 8
Two mountainbikers go out riding in the wilderness. One takes a spill and suddenly a rattlesnake pops out of nowhere and bites him in the lawit. His buddy calls his doctor on the cellphone ... MTBer: Doc, my buddy just got bitten by a rattler! What do I do? Doc: You have to suck out all the venom! MTBer: What else can I do? Doc: That's all. If you just suck out the venom and get him to an ER your friend will be ok! No problem! MTBer: And if I don't suck it out? Doc: He'll die. MTBer: Ok, thanks Doc! <hangs up> Snakebite Victim: Well? What did the doctor say? MTBer: Sorry brad. Doc says you're gonna die. This joke is ;D ;D ;D. I always remember when go riding.
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Post by jr on Jul 13, 2005 21:28:08 GMT 8
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Post by whoopi on Jul 15, 2005 7:45:28 GMT 8
but in the movies they always suck at the wound? ehrm, why do you ask this, ALLEGRA? are you planning to go hopping in the bushes? ;D
about that piece of stone, they used one on my leg when i was bitten by a dog. it really sticks on your skin like magnet, i don't know why. i don't know if it made a difference though, all i know is the injection was freakin' more painful than the bite itself!
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Post by allegra on Jul 15, 2005 11:48:05 GMT 8
Nope, no bush hopping for me My house is malayo sa civilization , we have a lot of these slithering visitors lately I think they are called dahong palay
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Post by anthrax76 on Jul 15, 2005 15:20:00 GMT 8
dahong palay? green and light green in color? that is a poisonous snake. in our province there are quite a number of farmers that got bit by that snake. i have no news of them if they survived or not though
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Post by allegra on Jul 16, 2005 8:25:06 GMT 8
I've got cats to take care of them Cats love snakes
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Post by Bikester on Jul 21, 2005 21:43:42 GMT 8
any incidents of snake bites on a mtbiker here in phil.?(aside from woofers story ah)
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Post by allegra on Jul 22, 2005 0:27:30 GMT 8
or mountaineers? On a camping trip sa Bataan , the caretaker had dried cobra skins hanging sa sampayan They were 6 feet long. But the tiklings were as big as chickens
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Post by roxio on Aug 1, 2005 13:29:26 GMT 8
i heard if you had a snake bite you have to ask someone to pee on where it bit you..... ay teka, sea urchin pala yun hehehe ;D
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Post by [ eRECTUS ] on Aug 11, 2005 16:51:08 GMT 8
I've got cats to take care of them Cats love snakes me too! I love cats and cats love snakes..if only i can bring my cats on the trails.. would you believe i found a cat on a trail once and actually went downhill with it inside my helmet while i was holding the helmet ;D
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Post by [ eRECTUS ] on Aug 11, 2005 16:51:37 GMT 8
i heard if you had a snake bite you have to ask someone to pee on where it bit you..... ay teka, sea urchin pala yun hehehe ;D and "toko" (lizard) ;D
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Post by hellspawn on Aug 17, 2005 11:15:50 GMT 8
As a certified firefighter & first responder. I suggest not to suck down the venom for this will only increase the infection. The first thing you have to do is to let him lie down flat and tell him to stay calm. Don't let the victim create any movements. The more movements he does the fastest the venom will rush to the nervous system. Remove watch, ring, bracelet from the bitten hand and shoes from the bitten leg. If you have a triangular bandage or a scarf, tie down the upper part of the bitten area for about 2 inches. The bandage should be snug but not too tight it should slip one finger underneath the bandage and a pulse should be felt. If the snake is non-venomous place a cold pack or ice pack on the wound, 15 mins on and 15 mins off. Do not use alcohol for it will cause more damage to the wounds and will only increase the pain this will make his andrenalin more active. Wash it with water and soap. If water and soap is not available, use betadine to wash down the wounds. If the snake is venomous. Do not apply cold pack. Do not cut off the wounds and blood supply for it will spread the venom more quickly. Keep the bite at the level of the heart. Encourage the victim to stay calm. The more he relax the higher chances he will survive. Rush the victim to a nearest hospital. Remember, always bring first aid kit when riding. This is the most important tool on your ride. I will post some pointers on what kind of first aid kit you will bring for your ride. If you're looking for a hospital that deals with snake bites. Go to San Lazaro hospital and look for Dr. Lao. I think they are the only hospital that has the capability to aid different kinds of snake bites and other venomous insects. They have lots of anti-venin available so far. I hope this will help.
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Post by kicker15 on Aug 23, 2005 14:10:30 GMT 8
As a certified firefighter & first responder. I suggest not to suck down the venom for this will only increase the infection. The first thing you have to do is to let him lie down flat and tell him to stay calm. Don't let the victim create any movements. The more movements he does the fastest the venom will rush to the nervous system. Remove watch, ring, bracelet from the bitten hand and shoes from the bitten leg. If you have a triangular bandage or a scarf, tie down the upper part of the bitten area for about 2 inches. The bandage should be snug but not too tight it should slip one finger underneath the bandage and a pulse should be felt. If the snake is non-venomous place a cold pack or ice pack on the wound, 15 mins on and 15 mins off. Do not use alcohol for it will cause more damage to the wounds and will only increase the pain this will make his andrenalin more active. Wash it with water and soap. If water and soap is not available, use betadine to wash down the wounds. If the snake is venomous. Do not apply cold pack. Do not cut off the wounds and blood supply for it will spread the venom more quickly. Keep the bite at the level of the heart. Encourage the victim to stay calm. The more he relax the higher chances he will survive. Rush the victim to a nearest hospital. Remember, always bring first aid kit when riding. This is the most important tool on your ride. I will post some pointers on what kind of first aid kit you will bring for your ride. If you're looking for a hospital that deals with snake bites. Go to San Lazaro hospital and look for Dr. Lao. I think they are the only hospital that has the capability to aid different kinds of snake bites and other venomous insects. They have lots of anti-venin available so far. I hope this will help. hanks for the very informative reply. I'll remember this the next time i go outdoors
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Post by hellspawn on Aug 23, 2005 14:33:28 GMT 8
As a certified firefighter & first responder. I suggest not to suck down the venom for this will only increase the infection. The first thing you have to do is to let him lie down flat and tell him to stay calm. Don't let the victim create any movements. The more movements he does the fastest the venom will rush to the nervous system. Remove watch, ring, bracelet from the bitten hand and shoes from the bitten leg. If you have a triangular bandage or a scarf, tie down the upper part of the bitten area for about 2 inches. The bandage should be snug but not too tight it should slip one finger underneath the bandage and a pulse should be felt. If the snake is non-venomous place a cold pack or ice pack on the wound, 15 mins on and 15 mins off. Do not use alcohol for it will cause more damage to the wounds and will only increase the pain this will make his andrenalin more active. Wash it with water and soap. If water and soap is not available, use betadine to wash down the wounds. If the snake is venomous. Do not apply cold pack. Do not cut off the wounds and blood supply for it will spread the venom more quickly. Keep the bite at the level of the heart. Encourage the victim to stay calm. The more he relax the higher chances he will survive. Rush the victim to a nearest hospital. Remember, always bring first aid kit when riding. This is the most important tool on your ride. I will post some pointers on what kind of first aid kit you will bring for your ride. If you're looking for a hospital that deals with snake bites. Go to San Lazaro hospital and look for Dr. Lao. I think they are the only hospital that has the capability to aid different kinds of snake bites and other venomous insects. They have lots of anti-venin available so far. I hope this will help. hanks for the very informative reply. I'll remember this the next time i go outdoors No problem
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Post by jibber on Sept 5, 2005 16:46:09 GMT 8
if bitten by a snake...identify if it were poisonous by following what was mentioned above: two marks for poisonous snake bites, multiple marks and you just have to worry about tetanus (which is as dangerous as a poisonous bite as well )... ...then follow the tips mentioned by hellspawn...then if you're from the north...go straight to San Lazaro...if you're from the south, go straight to RITM...I believe only these two hospitals have the anti-venin and experience for snakebites.
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 5, 2005 17:30:52 GMT 8
...and if it turned out that the snake was a friend...look for cure at the nearest gun store. hehe! :-)
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Post by minotaur on Sept 5, 2005 19:53:46 GMT 8
Let me give this a try... I think we have to source out more information on varieties of snakes in the Phil. such as description (pictures will be helpful), poisonous or not, area of distribution and habitation and what to do to in case of bites. Remember these creatures will not attack unless provoked or harmed and that we are guest in areas which are still populated with wild life. They are just surviving the way nature programmed them to.
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Post by mad_doc on Sept 5, 2005 21:52:51 GMT 8
sa actual trail... tying off the wound and cleaning it with water, and removing any excess dirt should be the first thing to do.
second.... catch the $%@#$*%# snake. don't let it get away. look at the bite mark.. a circular pattern indicates a non poisonous type of critter... a 2 or 4 tooth mark would indicate a little more urgency.
third... the only hospital in metromanila.. actually as far as i know in luzon with anti venom sera is RITM and that is for only 1 kind of snake... the philippine cobra. nary to say that anti venom is specific as different snakes have different poisons.... errr..
on the upside.... snake bites are pretty rare these days and we should be more concerned with dogbites coz we encounter much more of them on the trails and in the streets too.
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