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Post by gulliver on Dec 19, 2004 20:53:38 GMT 8
having recently had a close encounter w/ Mr. D via a clogged artery, i went on a search to learn more about cholesterol and how it builds up in the system...and found this disturbing article: MILK AND HEART DISEASE
Heart disease is America's number one killer. Dairy products represent America's number one food group.
Charles Attwood, M.D., once described to me the pint of blood he had drawn from a patient. In the hour before parting with his pint, the young man had eaten lunch at a fast food restaurant, enjoying hamburgers, fries, and a milkshake.
The blood was "murky and opaque," according to Dr. Attwood. I will always remember that phrase and Attwood's further descriptive imagery. After 15 minutes, a one-half inch layer of fat had risen to the top of the plastic package containing that blood.
In 1980, the British journal Lancet (ii: 205-207) reported:
"More patients who had suffered a myocardial infarction had elevated levels of antibodies against milk proteins than was found in a comparable group of patients without coronary heart disease."
In 1994, the European Journal of Clinical Nutrition (48:305- 325) found:
"Milk consumption correlates positively with cholesterol levels in blood as well as coronary mortality. In comparisons between 17 countries, there is a good correlation between national cholesterol levels and mortality from ischaemic heart disease."
There is controversy regarding the "fat-connection" and heart disease. Is it fat, or is it dairy, which also contains fat? In 1977, the British Journal of Preventive & Social Medicine noted:
"Greenland Eskimos, who have a very low incidence of ischemic heart disease, have a high-fat, high-protein diet, but a very low intake of milk."
The May, 2000 issue of Medical Hypothesis provided an important clue as to how dairy compromises the heart:
"Excessive milk consumption may adversely affect the circulation on account of the high calcium content of milk and because lactose promotes the intestinal absorption of calcium. Excessive calcium intake may cause calcification and rigidification of the large elastic arteries, which could be an important factor in causing myocardial ischaemia."
This morning, I remembered Dr. Attwood's Blood sample assessment while thumbing through a stack of reading material on my desk. The Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) reports a second opinion that confirms Dr. Attwood's observation.
The current issue of Good Medicine, PCRM's quarterly journal, contains evidence that just one single meal containing saturated animal fat can be harmful to the human heart.
Neal Barnard, M.D., includes a column citing a study that appeared in the Journal of American Cardiology (Nestel, PJ, et, al., 2001; 37: 1929-35). PCRM reports:
"Australian researchers fed volunteers a ham and cheese sandwich, a glass of whole milk, and a dish of ice cream. Just hours later, their cholesterol levels were elevated, and they experienced a 25-percent reduction in elasticity of their arteries-both important risk factors of heart attack."
Was this experiment a fair assessment of America's favorite fast-food meal?
PCRM reveals:
"The fat content of the experimental meal was 50 grams, still well below that of a typical fast-food meal such as a chicken sandwich and fries."
seems that my drinking milk daily did address my muscle cramp issues, but may have created more serious problems that i never expected visit this site and see what else the author has to say about milk...and other food/health stuff: www.notmilk.com/h.html
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Post by gulliver on Dec 19, 2004 20:59:26 GMT 8
on the same site, he writes this... SOY versus COW'S MILK
Let’s compare 100-gram portions (3.5 ounces) of soymilk vs. cow’s milk:
Cow’s milk has 61 calories. Soymilk has 33 calories. Cow’s milk contains 3.34 grams of fat. Soymilk contains 1.91 grams of fat.
Cow’s milk has 14 milligrams of cholesterol and no dietary fiber. Soymilk contains 1.3 grams of fiber and has zero cholesterol.
Cow’s milk contains a full range of amino acids. Soymilk also contains a full range of amino acids.
Both contain plenty of protein. Cow’s milk actually has one- half gram more protein than the 100-gram portion of soymilk.
Soymilk contains greater amounts of certain amino acids including arginine, alanine, aspartic acid, and glycine.
Arginine slows the growth of cancers by strengthening the immune system. Alanine aids in the metabolism of sugars. Aspartic acid increases stamina and plays a vital role in metabolism, acting as an anti-oxidant. Glycine is necessary for brain and nervous system functioning and muscle/energy metabolism.
When milk is pasteurized, Vitamins A, C, and D are destroyed. The same can be said for those vitamins when soymilk is manufactured. Soymilk does contain more than four times the amount of thiamin (Vitamin B-1) and nearly twice the amount of niacin (Vitamin B-3) as does cow's milk.
Soymilk also contains more magnesium, copper, and manganese than does cow’s milk. In order to absorb calcium, one needs magnesium. Copper also aids in bone formation. One early sign of osteoporosis is a deficiency in copper. Soymilk contains twelve times the amount of copper as does cow’s milk. Soymilk also contains 42 times the amount of manganese as does cow’s milk. Manganese is also needed for bone formation. People with anemia rely upon manganese for iron storage. Trace amounts of manganese are essential for neural transmissions, protein metabolism, and many other body functions.
...found at: www.soytoy.com/soyvsmilk.html
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Post by weekendrider on Dec 20, 2004 5:10:27 GMT 8
The biggest concentration of fat in milk by-product is in the cheese. It taste so good but will clog the arteries. Milk is needed in our body for calcium to strengthen the bones, but we normally buy low fat or non-fat milk. It doesn't taste as good as the regular milk but it is better in the long run. Your right soybean has a lot of benefit for the body and very,very little fat. Taho in the morning is good. Ommmm I miss it. Tokwa another soybean product. Cook it with bean sprout or other vegetables. Very heathy. Don't fry it though. About fastfood see in the net about the fat contents of Big Mac and you will be amaze. Its fat content is more than what the body needs for a day. Cheese, dressing and meat is all loaded with fat.
Now I see gulli looking at fat contents on every food he will be taking. I did it before and it is good to be aware of fat contents of every food we're eating. That's one way to limit fat intake.
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Post by gulliver on Dec 20, 2004 23:20:44 GMT 8
weekendrider, i never thought i'd be doing this...like what Ed of All Terra said kanina...you usually see these things happening to other people...on TV! ;D ay naku, a second chance at life certainly changes things...some good, some bad...mostly good i think
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Post by GALVinChie on Dec 21, 2004 13:42:55 GMT 8
May I suggest Quaker oatmeal every morning? My dad has been at it ever since his executive check-up which yielded an off-the-chart cholesterol level and hypertension--more than 12 years ago. Now, he's laboratory results are unremarkable and been playing tennis again every weekend.
Thanks to proper diet and discipline.
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Post by jr on Dec 21, 2004 13:56:25 GMT 8
May I suggest Quaker oatmeal every morning? My dad has been at it ever since his executive check-up which yielded an off-the-chart cholesterol level and hypertension--more than 12 years ago. Now, he's laboratory results are unremarkable and been playing tennis again every weekend. Thanks to proper diet and discipline. You are right brad.. oatmeal will reduce colesterol level . Also help stomach digestion. The most important key is proper eating habits or moderation.
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Post by Ben Dover on Dec 21, 2004 14:13:44 GMT 8
cow's milk is for cows...iba ang nutritional requirement ng cow..a baby cow can stand on its feet immediately after birth at bilis lumaki. human milk is still the best. uncle ted, ito subukan mo tuwing umaga..it cant cause tooth decay and comes in very attractive containers.. ;D ;D ;D ingat ka lang baka masobrahan ka na naman.
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Post by weekendrider on Dec 22, 2004 12:55:15 GMT 8
May I suggest Quaker oatmeal every morning? My dad has been at it ever since his executive check-up which yielded an off-the-chart cholesterol level and hypertension--more than 12 years ago. Now, he's laboratory results are unremarkable and been playing tennis again every weekend. Thanks to proper diet and discipline. Yup, I have it every morning and my cholesterol level is below 200. Also pure orange juice every morning. Orange juice tend to make the good cholesterol (HDL) higher.
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Post by GALVinChie on Dec 22, 2004 16:39:07 GMT 8
Also pure orange juice every morning. Orange juice tend to make the good cholesterol (LDL) higher. Yup yup yup! Orange juice din pala just like my dad. Take note Gulls, PURE Orange juice.
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Post by gulliver on Dec 22, 2004 17:29:41 GMT 8
Yup, I have it every morning and my cholesterol level is below 200. Also pure orange juice every morning. Orange juice tend to make the good cholesterol (LDL) higher. jun, just to clarify which is good and which is bad cholesterol LDL cholesterol is called "bad" cholesterol, because elevated LDL cholesterol is associated with an increased risk of coronary heart disease. LDL lipoprotein deposits cholesterol on the artery walls, causing the formation of a hard, thick substance called cholesterol plaque. Over time, cholesterol plaque causes thickening of the artery walls and narrowing of the arteries, a process called atherosclerosis. Arteries that supply blood and oxygen to the heart muscles are called coronary arteries. When coronary arteries are narrowed by atherosclerosis, they are incapable of supplying enough blood and oxygen to the heart muscle during exertion. Lack of oxygen (ischemia) to the heart muscle causes chest pain, also formation of a blood clot in the artery can clause complete blockage of the artery, leading to death of heart muscle (heart attack). Atherosclerotic disease of coronary arteries (coronary heart disease) is the most common cause of death in the United States, accounting for about 600,000 deaths annually.
HDL is called the "good cholesterol" because HDL cholesterol particles prevent atherosclerosis by extracting cholesterol from the artery walls and disposing of them through the liver. Thus, high levels of LDL cholesterol and low levels of HDL cholesterol (high LDL/HDL ratios) are risk factors for atherosclerosis, while low levels of LDL cholesterol and high level of HDL cholesterol (low LDL/HDL ratios) are desirable.
taken from...http://www.medicinenet.com/cholesterol/page2.htm
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Post by gulliver on Dec 22, 2004 17:31:30 GMT 8
cow's milk is for cows...iba ang nutritional requirement ng cow..a baby cow can stand on its feet immediately after birth at bilis lumaki. human milk is still the best. uncle ted, ito subukan mo tuwing umaga..it cant cause tooth decay and comes in very attractive containers.. ;D ;D ;D ingat ka lang baka masobrahan ka na naman. tolits, yes human milk via its natural container has no equal ;D
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Post by minotaur on Dec 22, 2004 19:39:11 GMT 8
Sir Ted,
I see you've been doing your home work. Good job!
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Post by weekendrider on Dec 23, 2004 1:14:33 GMT 8
jun, just to clarify which is good and which is bad cholesterol LDL cholesterol is called "bad" cholesterol, because elevated LDL cholesterol is associated with an increased risk of coronary heart disease. LDL lipoprotein deposits cholesterol on the artery walls, causing the formation of a hard, thick substance called cholesterol plaque. Over time, cholesterol plaque causes thickening of the artery walls and narrowing of the arteries, a process called atherosclerosis. Arteries that supply blood and oxygen to the heart muscles are called coronary arteries. When coronary arteries are narrowed by atherosclerosis, they are incapable of supplying enough blood and oxygen to the heart muscle during exertion. Lack of oxygen (ischemia) to the heart muscle causes chest pain, also formation of a blood clot in the artery can clause complete blockage of the artery, leading to death of heart muscle (heart attack). Atherosclerotic disease of coronary arteries (coronary heart disease) is the most common cause of death in the United States, accounting for about 600,000 deaths annually.
HDL is called the "good cholesterol" because HDL cholesterol particles prevent atherosclerosis by extracting cholesterol from the artery walls and disposing of them through the liver. Thus, high levels of LDL cholesterol and low levels of HDL cholesterol (high LDL/HDL ratios) are risk factors for atherosclerosis, while low levels of LDL cholesterol and high level of HDL cholesterol (low LDL/HDL ratios) are desirable.
taken from...http://www.medicinenet.com/cholesterol/page2.htm You're right gulli, it's the HDL that is the good cholesterol. I got confused. I stand corrected. Let me modify it before others will get confuse.
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Post by jibber on Dec 23, 2004 7:45:40 GMT 8
I could browse this in the internet but it's more meaningful and easy to understand if it comes from you guys So where/ how to acquire HDL? From what foods, or supplements? Happy Holidays!!!
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Post by jr on Dec 23, 2004 9:00:46 GMT 8
I could browse this in the internet but it's more meaningful and easy to understand if it comes from you guys So where/ how to acquire HDL? From what foods, or supplements? Happy Holidays!!! As far as I know it comes with vitamin C. As mentioned above drinking orange juice or eat natural fruit like orange ;D, grapes, apple are giving a the good colesterol (HDL). I heard one vitamin every morning in the radio but I forget the name. I will post as soon as I know.
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Post by jibber on Dec 23, 2004 9:38:09 GMT 8
ok...so orange juice, fruits...have to eat lotsa them this holiday season to combat the hi-cholesterol intakes ;D Thanks
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Post by minotaur on Dec 23, 2004 12:05:23 GMT 8
Have you guys tried banana shakes? No joke... I dont mean shaking your banana manually. With a food processor you can do wonders with fruits as healthy alternative drinks. Plus fresh vegs salads are always a treat for me lalo na kung may kasamang grilled chicken or fish. Pero kung wala steamed vegs na sinapaw sa kanin habang iniinin shoot na yun. Very good source of fiber and vits.
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Post by jr on Dec 23, 2004 14:20:22 GMT 8
Have you guys tried banana shakes? No joke... I dont mean shaking your banana manually. With a food processor you can do wonders with fruits as healthy alternative drinks. Plus fresh vegs salads are always a treat for me lalo na kung may kasamang grilled chicken or fish. Pero kung wala steamed vegs na sinapaw sa kanin habang iniinin shoot na yun. Very good source of fiber and vits. Yes.. I usaully do this night before the ride. Banana, straberrry(or frozen mix fruits) with soymilk and add 1 egg mixed and walla.. lots of energy next day;D ;D.
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Post by dasaint on Dec 23, 2004 17:52:45 GMT 8
I have been drinking low fat milk regularly sometimes after gym i add protein whey. It gives that full filling and i lose the craving for snacks.
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Post by gulliver on Dec 23, 2004 20:13:20 GMT 8
I could browse this in the internet but it's more meaningful and easy to understand if it comes from you guys So where/ how to acquire HDL? From what foods, or supplements? Happy Holidays!!! viperkiss, women by nature have higher levels of HDL b/c of estrogen kaya less prone sila to heart disease statistically. but some more things for you to think about: Why is HDL the good cholesterol?
HDL is the good cholesterol because it protects the arteries from the atherosclerosis process. HDL cholesterol extracts cholesterol particles from the artery walls and transports them to the liver to be disposed through the bile. It also interferes with the accumulation of cholesterol in the artery walls by the LDL cholesterol particles.
The risk of atherosclerosis and heart attacks in both men and women is strongly related to HDL cholesterol levels. Low levels of HDL cholesterol are linked to a higher risk, whereas high HDL cholesterol levels are associated with a lower risk.
Very low and very high HDL cholesterol levels can run in families. Families with low HDL cholesterol levels have a higher incidence of heart attacks than the general population, while families with high HDL cholesterol levels tend to live longer with a lower frequency of heart attacks.
Like LDL cholesterol, life style factors and other conditions influence HDL cholesterol levels. HDL cholesterol levels are lower in persons who smoke cigarettes, eat a lot of sweets, are overweight and inactive, and in patients with type II diabetes mellitus.
HDL cholesterol is higher in people who are lean, exercise regularly, and do not smoke cigarettes. Estrogen increases a person's HDL cholesterol, which explains why women generally have higher HDL levels than men do.
For individuals with low HDL cholesterol levels, a high total or LDL cholesterol blood level further increases the incidence of atherosclerosis and heart attacks. Therefore, the combination of high levels of total and LDL cholesterol with low levels of HDL cholesterol is undesirable whereas the combination of low levels of total and LDL cholesterol and high levels of HDL cholesterol is favorable.
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Post by weekendrider on Dec 24, 2004 0:13:23 GMT 8
ok...so orange juice, fruits...have to eat lotsa them this holiday season to combat the hi-cholesterol intakes ;D Thanks Eat lots of fruits and vegetables in conjunction with eating low fat foods.
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Post by weekendrider on Dec 24, 2004 0:20:23 GMT 8
viperkiss, women by nature have higher levels of HDL b/c of estrogen kaya less prone sila to heart disease statistically. but some more things for you to think about: Why is HDL the good cholesterol?
HDL is the good cholesterol because it protects the arteries from the atherosclerosis process. HDL cholesterol extracts cholesterol particles from the artery walls and transports them to the liver to be disposed through the bile. It also interferes with the accumulation of cholesterol in the artery walls by the LDL cholesterol particles.
The risk of atherosclerosis and heart attacks in both men and women is strongly related to HDL cholesterol levels. Low levels of HDL cholesterol are linked to a higher risk, whereas high HDL cholesterol levels are associated with a lower risk.
Very low and very high HDL cholesterol levels can run in families. Families with low HDL cholesterol levels have a higher incidence of heart attacks than the general population, while families with high HDL cholesterol levels tend to live longer with a lower frequency of heart attacks.
Like LDL cholesterol, life style factors and other conditions influence HDL cholesterol levels. HDL cholesterol levels are lower in persons who smoke cigarettes, eat a lot of sweets, are overweight and inactive, and in patients with type II diabetes mellitus.
HDL cholesterol is higher in people who are lean, exercise regularly, and do not smoke cigarettes. Estrogen increases a person's HDL cholesterol, which explains why women generally have higher HDL levels than men do.
For individuals with low HDL cholesterol levels, a high total or LDL cholesterol blood level further increases the incidence of atherosclerosis and heart attacks. Therefore, the combination of high levels of total and LDL cholesterol with low levels of HDL cholesterol is undesirable whereas the combination of low levels of total and LDL cholesterol and high levels of HDL cholesterol is favorable.
You got it all. ;D
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Post by weekendrider on Dec 24, 2004 0:38:31 GMT 8
I could browse this in the internet but it's more meaningful and easy to understand if it comes from you guys So where/ how to acquire HDL? From what foods, or supplements? Happy Holidays!!! To increase hdl, eat fish regularly instead of meat. Lots of fruit and vegetables. Substitute beef with chicken removing parts with fat. Use corn oil instead of coconut oil, it's a little bit higher in price but coconut oil has high fat content. Food cook with coconut milk(gata), eat very little of it or remove coconut milk on your diet. Leche plan, ommm taste very good. Do you know that the fats on eggs is concentrated on the yellow part (eggyolk). It's tough to eat less fat food specially if we will buy it from fast food restaurant or turo-turo. Food with little fat and salt doesn't taste as good.
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Post by wcoastbo on Dec 24, 2004 1:57:02 GMT 8
sounds like we're all going to get a bit healthier. I got to work this morning and poured myself a cup of kape, reached for the cream and decided I really didn't need it. the average lifespan of the PMTBR member will now increase... there is a silver lining in this whole situation.
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Post by jibber on Dec 24, 2004 8:13:33 GMT 8
Hey guys thanks for all the info....Sir Gulli...very nice article...I'm very much interested to learn about this HDL levels (dito ko lang na-discover 'to) 'coz we have a family history with lotsa members dying of stroke or heart attack Medyo kinakapos na rin kasi ako sa hinga ngayon during uphill climbs...and the migraines are returning Guess I have to watch & filter those things I put in my stomach
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Post by gulliver on Dec 24, 2004 9:39:25 GMT 8
viperkiss, yup, wish i had paid attention to these things earlier...but when you start to get better at MTB kasi, feeling mo invincible ka hehehe...ayun, inatake tuloy. note, my blood pressure was excellent, my glucose was good, my lungs were never better...but that plaque on my arteries took me down i also noted that i drank a tall glass of full-fat milk every night for about 4 or 5 months before the attack, ate pizza almost every week, had cheese omelettes almost every other day, smoked a pack a day na and stress from work in november was at its peak...kaya ganun pre weekendrider, yeah food w/ less salt doesn't taste as good but its a matter of conditioning daw wcoastbo, don't think any of us has passed away yet (thank God hehehe), kaya speculation pa rin yung higher lifespan theory natin...but it holds up to reason right? as for me, have to start drinking more soy milk for one thing, and less dairy milk. if dairy milk, dapat skim or low fat na
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Post by weekendrider on Dec 24, 2004 10:33:04 GMT 8
Merry Christmas to All and Have a Healthier Next Year.. Hamon omm kunti lang.
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Post by weekendrider on Dec 24, 2004 10:48:40 GMT 8
Hey guys thanks for all the info....Sir Gulli...very nice article...I'm very much interested to learn about this HDL levels (dito ko lang na-discover 'to) 'coz we have a family history with lotsa members dying of stroke or heart attack Medyo kinakapos na rin kasi ako sa hinga ngayon during uphill climbs...and the migraines are returning Guess I have to watch & filter those things I put in my stomach With your family history, if I were you I will get a cholesterol check right away.
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Post by jibber on Dec 24, 2004 16:12:23 GMT 8
will definitely do that weekendrider...btw, will the cholesterol check tell me if i have plaques all over my arteries?
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Post by gulliver on Dec 24, 2004 19:59:44 GMT 8
will definitely do that weekendrider...btw, will the cholesterol check tell me if i have plaques all over my arteries? my guess is it would give you a pretty good idea of how your arteries are doing. but the surest way is via an angiogram...not cheap, but considering the alternative...its not that expensive
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