Ka Verong
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Post by Ka Verong on Nov 23, 2007 14:56:33 GMT 8
- the saddle is your friend, use them - your body needs air, make sure that your position allows you to easily breath (upright as much as possible) - know which gear is good for your legs. Shift your gear & choose the cadence that you can sustain for prolonged period without getting burned, don't just follow the gear of the stronger man ahead of you.
these are just some techniques... the key is strength training.
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Post by angelobryant on Nov 23, 2007 16:03:33 GMT 8
thanks verong! Does it also help that I use a 90mm stem rather than 40? I have a friend who wants to swap stem.. should I?
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Post by allegra on Nov 23, 2007 16:22:03 GMT 8
my mistake on the past is that during training,i try to ride hard...but i realized,it would not do me any good..it will only cause exhaustion... long,slow rides is the best way...you can work on your pedalling motion,practice technical riding & work on comfortable riding position for uphill climbs & steep descents,more miles to cover with minimal exhaustion. ;D ;D Yes sir Last year , I would train ( pag nasa mood )hard , then harder everyday. Hills, mountains , on flats parati push ng push All I got from it were flu , cough and migraines Then I'd stop This year , I barely broke sweat worked on my form , built up my aerobic conditioning and just trained 4x a week better's mga times ko sa tris ( way better ) than last year Who would have thought ? I'd like to add na dehins ganun kadali lang hehe Aerobic conditioning isnt the end , may anerobic training pa but aerobic training does make the biggest diff
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Post by Ka Verong on Nov 23, 2007 16:28:34 GMT 8
Yes. actually during ascent, you will feel that you need a longer stem than what you use in flats as well as descents. Because, the stiffer the climb, the more you need to lean your body forward to compensate the center of gravity & prevent you from flipping. So, the longer your stem is (& top tube length for that matter), the better you can lean forward. Cause its stressful in the upper body if you have short stem (& top tube) thanks verong! Does it also help that I use a 90mm stem rather than 40? I have a friend who wants to swap stem.. should I?
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Post by sdny on Nov 23, 2007 20:53:55 GMT 8
i'd agree to whom he said practice-practice-practice! sacrifice alot. but for my experience in a long climb, wag masyado magmamadali-makakarating ka rin sa taas, just try maintain your speed between 4-5the most kmph by using which gear is more comfortable with, practice breathing techniques! drink water..... i done this today in my play-ground here in filinvest 2, this portion the gate 2 entrance of don vicente st., the up hill is similar to maarat 45deg angle, but with 1km short lang but good for training ground for a newbie like me..............
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Post by mountguitars on Nov 24, 2007 2:00:44 GMT 8
angelo,
do not use a shorter stem. a 40mm stem is already too short. a longer stem is good for uphills becoz you weight shifts forward. kasi, if the grade is too steep, baka umangat yung front tire mo at magwheelie ka that's why you need to shift the weight forward para magkaron ng weight yung front tire mo. also, another benefit of a longer stem is that your body weight is spread more evenly. more weight on the front wheel means lesser weight at the rear wheel where the the drivetrain is meaning mas gagaang or bibilis ang pagpedal mo.
problem with a stem which is too long is that your handling might be compromised especially going downhill. baka umendo ka pag masyado mahaba stem mo. notice downhillers use very short stems so there weight is shifted to the rear wheel para walang masyadong weight on the front wheel which might cause endo and it would be difficult to steer an already heavy bike if you put your weight on the front tire.
as for me, on my hardtail i use 110mm. on my FS XC rig, its 90mm. on my all mountain and trail bike its 80mm. it depends also on some factors like your handle bar's sweep, rise of your stem or even the frame itself. some frames have a longer top tube. i used to have a merida hfs who's virtual toptube is 22" and on my bigcat its 21". so for me it was a trial and error. in fact, i still have a 60mm stem and a 100mm stem lying around.
i hope this helps, hehe. ;D
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Post by angelobryant on Nov 24, 2007 17:12:18 GMT 8
Thanks for the advice.. I swapped my stem na. Now I have 90mm and boy what a difference it makes to my overall riding experience. The bike feels much faster than before. My position now when riding the bike feels very very agresive. Feels like I'm on a road bike or something. I will test the set up tomorrow on the baler route but I will only go half way since I dont wanna be absent on monday. One thing bothering me though is the downhill capability of the rig. Will find out tomorrow hehehe.. hope I don't endo or anything
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Post by mtbrider06 on Nov 24, 2007 18:19:09 GMT 8
Wow . . . . my favorite topic. The first time I tried reverse Palace just before the 24 hour race was a true definition of pain. What I did was to practice in the Cardiac Hill of Sta rosa (nearest to me) on week ends from 2x to 4x without stopping.
Practice really is very important plus your personal dedication. Now I can take that reverse Palace from Paseo without dismounting except if need to urinate before the Mansion. Two weeks ago we added the Talisay to the menu and it is just Awesome.
All that was written above were true, the only problem I have now Is my work conflicts with my will to ride. Riding with a stronger rider is for me the best motivation from time to time. But spending time alone by measuring your speed and strength slowly but surely helps a lot too.
It is yourself against your body and mind . . . sounds confusing.
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Post by berns on Nov 24, 2007 19:01:10 GMT 8
When the climb becomes difficult and you are catching your breath, assume orthopnic position it will help your lungs deliver more oxygen to your vital organs and muscles.
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Post by veeduber on Nov 24, 2007 21:12:26 GMT 8
When the climb becomes difficult and you are catching your breath, assume orthopnic position it will help your lungs deliver more oxygen to your vital organs and muscles. care to elaborate "orthopnic position" on layman's terms please?
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Post by berns on Nov 26, 2007 8:33:08 GMT 8
Flat back and chest as close as possible to the handle bar.
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Post by antonio on Nov 26, 2007 8:57:31 GMT 8
here's my 2 cents, will power, dont quit even if your mind tells you to. leg muscles are the biggest in our body, with the proper gears, im sure your legs can endure those climbs.
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Post by veeduber on Nov 26, 2007 9:19:56 GMT 8
Flat back and chest as close as possible to the handle bar. now i know, thanks berns!
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Post by grnhrnt on Nov 26, 2007 10:12:03 GMT 8
"orthopnic position" so that's what you call it. hehehe... yes, i drop my elbows and lean forward to straighten my back, loosen my grip and really feel only my legs working. another good technique is to synchronize your breathing w/ the pedaling. Look for that cadence where you can breathe in and out as you pedal. it can be every other pedal stroke of even one is to one. When you've gotten into the "zone" then you can climb forever. your heart rate actually settles or even drops!
Will power has so much to do w/ it. when you feel like your butt is aching so much and your legs are full of lactic acid, heart rate rising too high, seeing other riders stopped at the side of the road drinking coke! while your suffering!!! that's when the will power should come in. Try to relax shift to a lower gear, slow the cadence and breathe!
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Post by Ben Dover on Nov 26, 2007 11:19:45 GMT 8
i think berns forgot a letter there...orthopneic yata.
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Post by angelobryant on Nov 26, 2007 15:32:54 GMT 8
This is the small climb I'm talking about nga pala i31.photobucket.com/albums/c361/angelobryant/Untitled-1.jpgCome to think of it, I think I stopped maybe around just 2 kilometers from the top and not at the half like I said the other day. The whether when we were climbing was foggy and cold... terrain is loose rock, mostly golf ball sized with some occational tennis ball sizes. Grade range from as flat as 2 degrees to as steep as 35 degrees on some section. Im pretty sure baguio peeps have no problem climbing this mountain.. I on the other hand suffered.
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Post by Aaronchicharon on Nov 26, 2007 15:46:10 GMT 8
did you stop because your feet/legs/butt hurt or did you stop coz you couldn't breathe? btw 8kms is not a small climb... hehehe...
hmmm where'd you get the image... if i may ask... so that i can also check out some of the routes that we take...
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Post by bernie on Nov 26, 2007 16:05:15 GMT 8
On a very long climb, is the "S" system effective or it will just add effort.
"S" style - making zigzag pattern on the road while climbing, an old riders technique or a myth?
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Post by BrusKO on Nov 26, 2007 16:30:15 GMT 8
It may be used as a technique. But that strategy in a race is a dead giveaway that you're cracking.
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Post by angelobryant on Nov 26, 2007 16:49:16 GMT 8
did you stop because your feet/legs/butt hurt or did you stop coz you couldn't breathe? btw 8kms is not a small climb... hehehe... hmmm where'd you get the image... if i may ask... so that i can also check out some of the routes that we take... I stopped because I couldn't breath anymore. I was panting like crazy.. legs were a bit ok though. Captured the image on google earth pro
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Post by Ben Dover on Nov 26, 2007 17:08:44 GMT 8
On a very long climb, is the "S" system effective or it will just add effort. "S" style - making zigzag pattern on the road while climbing, an old riders technique or a myth? a result of a study suggests that it actually consumes more energy..besides, you can do this only on wide, paved or graded road..never a fan of this so called climbing technique..i actually think its dangerous. nobody taught me this but i think the more useful technique is to use/take the inner side if the switchback is not that tight and steep...the straighter the better...this i believe can actually shorten your climb (point A to point B)...i suggest you dont do this on a busy road though. ;D
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Post by Aaronchicharon on Nov 26, 2007 18:03:32 GMT 8
i dont do big S's i sort of do parenthesis's, i'm not even sure if i do it intentionally... as much as possible i try to go straight, but due to fatigue on steep climbs, my balance suffers and eventually results in those S/parenthesis curves.
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Post by Aaronchicharon on Nov 26, 2007 18:15:42 GMT 8
did you stop because your feet/legs/butt hurt or did you stop coz you couldn't breathe? btw 8kms is not a small climb... hehehe... hmmm where'd you get the image... if i may ask... so that i can also check out some of the routes that we take... I stopped because I couldn't breath anymore. I was panting like crazy.. legs were a bit ok though. Captured the image on google earth pro same thing happened to me last sunday in sta rosa... we passed through cardiac... after cardiac i knew i had to stop, i couldn't breathe well and i had a headache, my head was pounding, i could even hear my blood pumping ala beat box "tug tug tug... tug tug tooogz tooogz tooogz..." hehe probable cause: lack of sleep less than 3hrs, cold weather, catpao asado or all.
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Post by Ben Dover on Nov 26, 2007 18:47:36 GMT 8
you can easily identify kung medyo sunog na yung rider if he can no longer maintain his line..and his front wheel pointing in every direction. am not against pushing ones self but a wise man has to know his limitations..meron pang ibang araw...one step at a time...a headache is never a sign of anything good..never experienced that before..mukang delikado yata yun.
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Post by allegra on Nov 26, 2007 19:26:23 GMT 8
I stopped because I couldn't breath anymore. I was panting like crazy.. legs were a bit ok though. Captured the image on google earth pro same thing happened to me last sunday in sta rosa... we passed through cardiac... after cardiac i knew i had to stop, i couldn't breathe well and i had a headache, my head was pounding, i could even hear my blood pumping ala beat box "tug tug tug... tug tug tooogz tooogz tooogz..." hehe probable cause: lack of sleep less than 3hrs, cold weather, catpao asado or all. I hope it was nothing like your avatar If you need to stop pedaling sa climbs , continue walking or all the blood on your legs during the climb will remain there , nakakahilo from lack of blood sa ulo
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Post by Aaronchicharon on Nov 26, 2007 23:44:34 GMT 8
you can easily identify kung medyo sunog na yung rider if he can no longer maintain his line..and his front wheel pointing in every direction. am not against pushing ones self but a wise man has to know his limitations..meron pang ibang araw...one step at a time...a headache is never a sign of anything good..never experienced that before..mukang delikado yata yun. it was probably the lack of sleep and the cold climate that triggered it... coz it wasn't muddy at cardiac yesterday... i've biked there on worse conditions and never got a headache... by worse i mean very muddy and very hot conditions. lying down a few minutes at bukohan really helped... after that, i was ok all the way to aling pinas lugawan... then after a bowl of lugaw... i was energized and we went all the way to tagaytay rotonda... from there we proceeded to talisay, but we went only a few kilometers down(around 4-5kms i think) coz we were afraid we might not be able to get back up hehehe.
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Post by mythbuster on Nov 27, 2007 9:25:45 GMT 8
"S" type of riding was the technique before the rear deraileur was invented and of course the multi-gears, the single speed of bulldog bikes of our lolos are doing this ( unless malakas si lolo ) but yep, , this consumes more energy as you said peeps, this will ease the pedalling but will consume more effort resulting to more fatigue, the best thing is try to experiment gears in w/c you can climb w/o burning yourselves.
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Post by sdny on Nov 27, 2007 9:39:59 GMT 8
the "s" technique of riding skill is more padyak to the top while if you maintain your speed from 4-5kmph will save alot of distance/time for your climb....i'd done it yesterday noon in maarat! double the pagod tlaga.........yah best way to expirement which gears is the best for climb..... lastly practice-practice-practice alot....know when to stop if things got tiry!
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Post by mythbuster on Nov 27, 2007 10:00:54 GMT 8
Yep, it ease the pedalling but takes longer to climb resulting too-hapo hapo hahahahah maybe you cabn use taht technique in short stiff climb .
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Post by angelobryant on Nov 27, 2007 18:17:31 GMT 8
I tried spinning and it doesn't work too well for me.
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