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Post by gulliver on Jan 8, 2005 9:01:31 GMT 8
shucks that sounds hard redneb! hehehe, will stick to leisurely trail-riding speeds thank you...but the techniques you mentioned might come in handy if a pack of dogs decide to they want a piece of me on the trail ;D
or if angelina jolie says i can have her if i can keep up w/ her on a bike!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by REDNEB on Jan 8, 2005 15:23:15 GMT 8
hehehehehe.................. ;D Wala ako hilig sa Babae.....asawa ko lang! 3 important things in my life.....my wife n kids n bike. Regarding sa post ni tolits its good ha...... Kaya lang one trick na tinuro sa amin nung nasa ahem ahem..............xc pa ako b4 tagal na yun!OK! Pedal down regardless of terrain, xc bike to ha! hold on to your bar ends,tuck center, loosen up your shoulders ang legs but put more weight on your pedals. As i recall in my younger years...... nauubos namin ni arjuna at ni ricky yung numero sa cyclocomp. Yung ruts at tech sections pumapatag! Kaya kami ang Naging mga DHer eh! Trick? nope. an XC bike lacks weight and center of gravity sa descents so your body position n posture whill have to compensate for that. Yung preno sa harap may purpose nga yun.......para bumigat ng ko0nti ang harap! ;D Yan tuloy gulli naalala ko na naman itsura ko naka ahem ahem........cycling syorts! lolz ;D Dahil nung panahon na yun pag nag baggy shorts ka para kang taga UMD at Streetboys(iyun pa lng uso nun eh) Ay saka about the dogs. Rabid teeth can cause major damage to your shin-guards! lolz ;D Kaya may baon ako pusa sa bulsa ko palagi para pag may aso iniitsa ko na lang para habulin nila! Parang F-16 nag didispense ng chaff at flare pag hinahabol ng AA missile...........da ba? Parang Behind enemy lines yan brad! lolz ;D
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Post by gonz on Jan 8, 2005 15:42:37 GMT 8
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Post by allegra on Jan 9, 2005 1:05:00 GMT 8
For 20-40kph pede ka mag "dab" instead of using the breaks. there are 2 kind of dab .........foot and pedal. Foot dab(Flats) is using 1 leg to steer the bike out of the turnby extending your foot out to the ground, acting as a rudder to suddenly jerk your bike onto the exit angle of the turn. Pedal dab(Pag clipless) is keeping your feet on the pedals and leaning sideways during a turn(No skidding pls) raising the pedal inside the turn n leaning until the end of the pedal hits the ground then suddenly hucking your bike into position of exit of turn. Ano mas madali? foot o pedal? sino nagsabi kelangan ng preno? I can organize a demo on how this is done... partida hardtail gamit ng mga alaga ko......hehehehe ;D Sa XC well ive seen racers do these things....like cadel evans and the likes.......its a trick of the trade.. kasi sayang sipa pag pulo pleno! Demo, I wana see how it's done
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Post by warlock^_^ on Jan 9, 2005 11:55:24 GMT 8
Yeah learned it the hard way .... if your hurtling down at 62kph no dab or death grip on the brake levers wont stop you. Now I can barely walk
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Post by REDNEB on Jan 9, 2005 14:40:29 GMT 8
thats very true.........i agree brother, At those speeds if u try to stick a limb out its gonna shatter n break! So always remember if u intend to bail out at those speeds do it with your butt or your shoulders. Dont worry "Most of the Good riders" have lost their tail-bone or have Acls lunged up their collars.........Its a fashion thing for us...............lolz ;D The brakes if your lucky enuf just might save you from crashing n breaking stuff. But its goona take a lot of effort n fancy tricks to stop but hey, Crashing hard is like second nature its a daily part of the sport.............lolz ;D Ride hard=crash hard Ride smart=Sarap matulog sa gabi walang sugat! Me?...............Vitamins ko yung sakit ng katawan! ;D *Pain fuels my bike: More pain means more speed.
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Post by g on Feb 19, 2005 23:10:49 GMT 8
tried the 60/40, 70/30 FRONT/REAR ratio.. the bike stops faster nga..and somehow with more control will practice some more and apply when i'm on the trail..
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Post by PT on Mar 15, 2006 16:21:01 GMT 8
pedal pedal pedal .. brake brake .. pedal pedal .. brake .. pedal pedal pedal pedal!!!!!!!!
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Post by CARLOfornicator(censored) on Mar 15, 2006 21:49:07 GMT 8
when going dh,i tend to use both brakes to regulate the speed...
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Post by Blister T on Mar 16, 2006 9:56:03 GMT 8
on DH, i always use 70/30 for braking, using the front brake more feels better than always fishtailing around, lalo na on bad brakes.
urban usually rear lang, i remove my front brake so i could do (or die trying) barspins.
the first part of this thread is hilarious! wow i am AMAZED at how some people really believe other people!
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Post by rob on Mar 16, 2006 12:55:30 GMT 8
hard to say but we're talking about Dh riddin' right? When descending i tend to use front brakes compensated with leaning body backwards and when on a flat area i use rear brakes. then as endoboy mentioned pedal hard, when you get out of the tech sect.
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Post by Great Teacher Ulysses on Mar 16, 2006 13:54:10 GMT 8
there are times we need to use our front brakes specially in dh. i use the front brakes if i'm entering tech specially if i don't want to wash/slide or whatever you want to call it, but you don't need to push it really hard, just a little "PITIK" or maybe soft grip lang to control your bars...
frequently used kasi ang rear brakes, like me i always have my finger on it but knowing when or where to use your brakes and learning how to control your brakes will always be an advantage specially if your in a competition...
i'll admit that i'm also having a hardtime controlling my rig, had bad crashes resulting to Bad Injuries.
previously i crashed in our regular nightrides and also sa Laoag Race, i gone straight to the MANGA tree staright down in the dead creek... hehehe...
if you wathed the video, you'll know.... hehehe
as i've posted before...
"BE IN CONTROL or OUT OF CONTROL???...."
think... practice... survive!!!
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Post by PT on Mar 16, 2006 17:24:37 GMT 8
same here .. usually i just tap the brakes ... not slam on them .. sometimes when is turn and i feel that im gonna overshoot,i tap the rear to drift the rest of the turn .. but its always better to pin it! pedal pedal pedal! tap tap pedal pedal tap pedal tap hold on!!
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Post by puregutz on Mar 16, 2006 17:25:08 GMT 8
I think braking skills can only be learned through experience. If you kept on thinking about the % of force you need to apply to your front & rear brakes everytime you need to brake, you'll probably end up eating dirt! ;D
Moreover, I think there's no general rule on how hard you should brake with your rear or front brakes. You can use more of the front or more of the rear or both whether you're turning or going straight, moving slow or fast...
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Post by REDNEB on Mar 22, 2006 10:08:20 GMT 8
hmmm....... if u eat up ur pads every 2-3 months ur using too much....
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Post by puregutz on Aug 11, 2006 13:48:56 GMT 8
In general, you brake because you want to slow down or probably to drift your rear. What you should think of is braking just enough so that you wouldnt loose too much momentum.
My 0.2 ;D
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Post by REDNEB on Aug 11, 2006 19:50:37 GMT 8
korek si Puregutz..... 1 good example Jameswat trail from radar to lamokan..... tap-steer ur rear-tap-exit
after lamokan section..i doubt if braking would do u any good...... pick ur line then ride it.. therefore decreasing ur usage of ur brakes...less decceleration = faster time/ faster ride.... i tried patiis with out braking and with no line(Sagasa to oblivion)....didnt work...lol 5-0 lol story of my life....
like Boyet Camba said..... Pick ur line then ride that line at full steam.... the brakes are for the finish line na lang....eheheheheh..... and thats how u separate the top 5 from the rest of the pack!
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Post by marcs on Aug 11, 2006 21:09:26 GMT 8
agree. sometimes it might actually be safer to pick your line, commit to it, and let your bike do the rest. braking at the wrong places will just cause you to loose control, make the bike jittery, etc
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Post by Alphabolt on Sept 9, 2006 0:12:13 GMT 8
I should walk some course with you guys and ...you could point where to tap the brakes and drift the rear (not that I really know how...it just happens mostly) Someone organize a casual brake / trail read ride
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Post by puregutz on Sept 9, 2006 17:10:32 GMT 8
I should walk some course with you guys and ...you could point where to tap the brakes and drift the rear (not that I really know how...it just happens mostly) Someone organize a casual brake / trail read ride This is easier said than done arnel. Rider skills also plays an important factor. For ex. I (not so talented rider) may be thinking of braking before a big berm while Joey B. (very skillful rider) might probably just go all out! Hehehe ;D ;D ;D In any case.. Lets all walk up same time at the track tom. See you all there. Isang tulog na lang! ;D
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Post by Alphabolt on Sept 9, 2006 23:00:33 GMT 8
This is easier said than done arnel. Rider skills also plays an important factor. For ex. I (not so talented rider) may be thinking of braking before a big berm while Joey B. (very skillful rider) might probably just go all out! Hehehe ;D ;D ;D In any case.. Lets all walk up same time at the track tom. See you all there. Isang tulog na lang! ;D Yeah..dont I know that brother Jay hehehe I ve seen you guys in action and ...it seems so planned ...skidding braking bermattack etc Unfortunately, I cant join my idols this weekend...family outing..to Palawan ;D Enjoy mga DH brodas
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Post by Alphabolt on Sept 9, 2006 23:02:18 GMT 8
correction nga pala,Jay.."not so talented" NOT!...you won races and we al know it good luck brad
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Post by isteb on Aug 29, 2007 11:26:16 GMT 8
i don't know if was posted just the same.. as you brake regardless of which you use whether fron or rear.. the momentum is forward.. it shifts forward therefore front traction is where it's at.. if it shifts forward somehow the rear traction would lessen.. my conclusion use front brakes if you want to control but please don't grab it.. modulation is key.. ii've been a scooter big bike rider it's all the same.. that's why they put discs upfront sometimes the even put two discs... i still can't understand why they put the abs (that's another story) it doubles the effort of using the brakes... -most might feel the sensation that i might not stop if one uses the rear.. hence 'grabbing' the lever.. you risk fishtailing my friend...
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Post by anshwa on Aug 30, 2007 0:37:26 GMT 8
I use both brakes either at the same time or just one side. Use of the brakes is highly dependent on the comfort level of the rider. There are runs where I'm practically riding the brakes & there are runs where I just tap the brakes. Usually towards the end of the day, I've got good modulation on the run.
I think a more important skill to acquire is the weight transfer while braking. You have to know when & where to transfer your weight while braking. Slamming the brakes on a flat section is easy enough staying neutral on the bike, but once you're on a steep section, you'll have to exaggerate your weight transfer to the rear. There are a lot of times when quickly "drifting" or skidding the back wheel to clear a turn doesn't require you to hit the rear brake. You just unweigh the rear & whip it behind you on the turns.
Peace!
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Post by ewik on Aug 31, 2007 18:00:17 GMT 8
brakes, what?
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Post by jobyoreta on Sept 3, 2007 15:47:49 GMT 8
When going down, most of your weight will naturally fall on the front wheel (even if you lean back and stay behind the saddle). Whenever you brake using the unweighted rear wheel, it will just slide. So, keep your weight back and use the 70F/30R technique.
When cornering, always brake before the turn. If you brake in the middle of the turn, while leaning, the tendency of the bike is to go upright and you will more likely lose your balance. Just trust your tires and suspension in the turns and you'll come through unscathed.
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Post by <eVs10nacious< on Sept 4, 2007 15:42:13 GMT 8
using both f/r braking is more saferer .......but if ur into racing like DH.......little modulation [front] never locked, late braking [used powerful brakes], use the berm well [as if meron] for cornering [no brakes] sometimes do d dabbing then at then end line front brake for more stopping ;D lean back dont forget nose wheely if speed occur
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Post by trailrider on Sept 4, 2007 22:41:01 GMT 8
guys to tell you a story of me using the front brakes and none of my rear brakes. i removed my rear brakes after my rear hub got a major problem. my rear hub wont roll because my rotors are stuck with the calipers because of the incompatibility of the skewer i bougth from the nearest bike shop. i pedalled all the way to makati from barangay hall of pinugay with out my rear brakes. doing an adrenaline rush with the downhill in kabading with the pouring rain i think the secret is a little prayer for safety and ehem a little skill. heheheeh positioning my whole weight when doing a fast downhill so that my front brakes wont throw me ayaw from my bike hehehehehe and then at last. got home safely! thank you God
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Post by nikkocholo on Sept 5, 2007 15:34:50 GMT 8
on steep downs I don't lock my brakes...just keep a slight pressure but keep the wheels rolling...On muddy terrain i don't brake coz it makes me skid...but i f I need to, I stand up the bike and slowly grip me brake lever to slowly stops my acceleration...
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Post by puregutz on Sept 22, 2007 9:42:33 GMT 8
Hahaha! Lots of questions about braking... Maybe another factor to consider is self confidence and commitment to your lines and speed. Because the lack of it, you wouldnt even notice that your fingers are instinctively pulling your brake levers. But if you got it, you will notice that your times are getting faster without even exerting too much effort on pedalling.
Always stay focused and be conscious of what your fingers are doing. A lot of crashes happen because of too much braking or braking in the wrong places.
Ride smooth... If in doubt... Flat out!
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