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Post by byteblues on Sept 10, 2007 9:14:08 GMT 8
dont worry we will have more rides to come...love to ride with you guys knowing that im a roadie amongst mtbikers...its the company that counts ...
bobet, you have made your transition from mtfrom mtb to road but i guess "transition" is not the right word coz i dont think you ll give up mtbiking....cross train maybe ... i love to have an mtb of my own... coz i want also to feel the dirt ... maybe youll be my teacher when i have my own little transition....
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Post by radical1962 on Sept 10, 2007 10:42:03 GMT 8
dont worry we will have more rides to come...love to ride with you guys knowing that im a roadie amongst mtbikers...its the company that counts ... bobet, you have made your transition from mtfrom mtb to road but i guess "transition" is not the right word coz i dont think you ll give up mtbiking....cross train maybe ... i love to have an mtb of my own... coz i want also to feel the dirt ... maybe youll be my teacher when i have my own little transition.... Andie, it would be my pleasure to show you the happiness of being DIRTY!!! Let me know when you are going to build your MTBike... maybe I can help in sourcing the parts and components. Let's get DIRTY!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by lucban on Sept 11, 2007 8:20:49 GMT 8
listen to fattire, he knows cycling etiquette. I enjoy riding both mtb and road, there are different styles between the two and each may not always understand the other. first of all there shouldn't be an "us vs them" attitude, after all there are more similarities than differences. when you pass another rider you're telling them you feel strong. a roadie may take this as a signal that you're willing to lead the pace. if you're not willing to pace another rider, give a hand signal that you're slowing down and move to the right a bit. also, once you are in front of another rider you have the responsibility to indicate your movements. any vehicle or rider on the road should do this. vehicles have brake lights and turn signals, we as cyclists have hand signals. in many municipalities hand signals are legally required when on the road, in addition doing so shows responsibility/courtesy and could save your life. when i'm in a fast paceline my front tire is 6-12 inches away from the tire in front of me. this requires my full concentration so that I don't crash or cause the person behind me to crash. there is very little margin for error and if another cyclist waves a hello, I may not see them or have the time to acknowledge them back. Please do not take this personally as I'm normally very friendly on the roads. Many times conversation is best when we've stopped. when i'm on my roadbike and the road is bumpy, I don't like to take my hand of the bars. I'll usually do the, two finger pointed at a 45 degree angle hello, with my left hand with my hand still on the bars. personally I don't like to draft behind a person riding an mtb unless I know him or her. I know most mtbers don't know road etiquette and may not warn me of road debris, potholes or their intention to suddenly brake or turn. most roadies don't mind if you use their draft, especially if they just passed you. Like Owen mentioned, if you come from behind do ask for permission before pacing, they may not know you've back there and won't give hand signals. It's also bad form to sit on another rider's back wheel without taking your turn at the front. many times that is the reason a roadie will pass you by and take the lead. Many roadies have gotten to the point that these moves become automatic with very little need for formalities and acknowledgment to others in a paceline, nothing personal just efficient. for those of you who have never ridden in a fast paceline or peloton, try it. you'll be amazed at how fast you can ride for an extended amount of time with very little effort. just make sure to get advice from seasoned cyclists. correct brad.! That's drafting and you always have to practice cycling etiquette.
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Post by brothermoe on Sept 20, 2007 23:25:48 GMT 8
I love road bikes too. When I was a kid, my dad built me a road bike the same time he built his and we rode our bikes from Makati to Sucat. I was only 14 or so then but that ride instilled in me a deep love of cycling... in general.
It's a bit OT I know, so to get back to the subject... yeah, I think that roadies are not the snobs we perceive them to be. Case in point. when I wrecked my rear derailleur in Daang Hari and carried my bike to the side of the road, it was a roadie who stopped by to see if he could do anything to help.
Their seeming indifference probably just stems from how their bikes are built. You have to admit, it is kind of hard to wave to someone when your back is all bent and your struggling to maintain your cadence. Besides, those thin tires aren't as stable as the ones we use so it might be a case of concentrate or crash. On the subject of drafting, why not? You use whatever you can right? I don't like doing that though especially on hot days... I can't stand the smell. ;D
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Post by vikecycle on Sept 27, 2007 14:19:10 GMT 8
I I don't like doing that though especially on hot days... I can't stand the smell. ;D try drafting on someone with runnynose ;D yikes
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Post by atomicgimenez on Sept 27, 2007 15:18:18 GMT 8
I had this incident before Im riding on the way to batlag in an uphill road syempre mabagal lang coz Im trying to conserve my energy for the long journey then a group of roadies overtakes me one of them reaches me holding my back and pushing me he says "tulungan na kita" I was intimedated as if he was saying at the back of hes mind na malakas ako kahit pataas itutulak pa kita so I told him na ok lang ako sir pahinga lang.
siguro I would be glad if he cheer na lang me na "kaya pa yan hinay hinay lang" rather than doing that pushing thing dehins siya nakatulong
what if I do the same to a roadie will he be glad
what do you think sirs
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Post by vikecycle on Sept 27, 2007 15:35:17 GMT 8
i think its just a good intention to help you. but word of encouragement is most welcome or appropriate thing to do.
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Post by Ben Dover on Sept 27, 2007 16:34:08 GMT 8
atomicG, believe you me, it's not in the back of his mind...he's 100% sure he's stronger than you. ;D ...but it doesnt mean a thing...i believe he was just trying to help...if it was me and it's teresa-antipolo? i would welcome it with whole body and legs relaxing and let him push my dead weight up all the way to antipolo haha! ;D seriously, when i see a slower rider, i dont look at him as someone weak or anything...here is a rider who with proper training can beat me or anyone else and more importantly, himself in the future if he wants to...and if you recognize that strenght is not permanent, that when you stop training you will lose it too, then theres no reason to make yabang of it. you start seeing other riders as someone "ensayado", "walang ensayo", "with injury" rather than "malakas", "mahina", "mabagal" etc. always give the other fella the benefit of the doubt...better yet always think positive...just say thank you afterwards...its very hard to prove one's intent..unless of course he pushed you off a cliff haha! just my opinion.
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Post by Arman on Sept 27, 2007 18:17:32 GMT 8
your right tolits. if that happens to me i will let him push me all the way..malakas ka pa la a. cge tulak! ;D
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Post by Arman on Sept 27, 2007 18:28:57 GMT 8
i also have some bad experiences with some roadies back home... (not all coz i have so many roadie friends also), whenever we go biking on pavements and they are on the opposite side, they wont bother to give a hand- raised (taas ng kamay) to greet mtb'ers and the vice versa.. why is it so? is there inferiority on both sides?... just a thought maybe the rider/s are in training mode ;D doing a fast pace. but in my case i always greet mtbikers coz.. im a mtbiker!
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Post by knobbyist on Sept 27, 2007 23:41:00 GMT 8
always give the other fella the benefit of the doubt...better yet always think positive...just say thank you afterwards...its very hard to prove one's intent..unless of course he pushed you off a cliff haha! hahahahaha! things would be pretty clear by then. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by wcoastbo on Sept 28, 2007 2:13:00 GMT 8
I think his intentions were to help you, he probably wanted to encourage you with a little push uphill. You see TdF riders getting a push from a team mechanic or even a spectator after a crash or wheel change... kinda the same thing here.
I've received a push up a hill by a friend when I'm completely exhausted, I have also returned the favor to others... only with people I know, doing this with total strangers is a bit bold. You'll be surprised how a short push for a couple hundred meters can help you recover and reach the top of a long hill.
Team tactics are not used much in mtb racing, therefore many of the concepts are alien to us (giving someone an extended push uphill would not be legal in a road race). In fact, during a mtb race one rider cannot help another rider, even to lend tools or a tube. doing so could get you disqualified. you must carry everything you need to finish a race. In road racing a team member may give up a wheel or his whole bike to another teammate, all perfectly legal.
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Post by wcoastbo on Sept 28, 2007 2:30:52 GMT 8
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Post by Taba® on Sept 30, 2007 13:29:19 GMT 8
I am sorry but for me I'd rather stop than be pushed by another rider. It is not pride per se but I feel better being able to finish a ride "on my own strength and on my own way". I admire those who can "push" someone as indeed, they will not do that only for "yabang" purposes but indeed they feel that they can really do that as they have the strength.
I will politely thank the guy who will offer a "push" but will gladly tell him that I am checking and monitoring my performance and hence, I do not need a "push" - I will accept food and water but not this way even how agonizing it is...
Well, if it is OK for the rider being "pushed", it's fine...specially on practice or fun rides...that establishes good camaraderie...but the best way to "push" a rider is to give encouragement and tips or just be with him so he can finish the ride and be satisfied.
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Post by enzo on Sept 30, 2007 16:39:04 GMT 8
I am sorry but for me I'd rather stop than be pushed by another rider. It is not pride per se but I feel better being able to finish a ride "on my own strength and on my own way". I admire those who can "push" someone as indeed, they will not do that only for "yabang" purposes but indeed they feel that they can really do that as they have the strength. I will politely thank the guy who will offer a "push" but will gladly tell him that I am checking and monitoring my performance and hence, I do not need a "push" - I will accept food and water but not this way even how agonizing it is... Well, if it is OK for the rider being "pushed", it's fine...specially on practice or fun rides...that establishes good camaraderie...but the best way to "push" a rider is to give encouragement and tips or just be with him so he can finish the ride and be satisfied. I peaked right around december and can give a small push to anyone struggling. I have pushed Bong, Rula, ~~~~, and hang on Mamati's a$$ before (lakas nyan) together with Jessie. But I wont push you!!! Bigat mo no!!! Translation= He's heavy! he's my brother!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Taba® on Sept 30, 2007 17:07:22 GMT 8
I am sorry but for me I'd rather stop than be pushed by another rider. It is not pride per se but I feel better being able to finish a ride "on my own strength and on my own way". I admire those who can "push" someone as indeed, they will not do that only for "yabang" purposes but indeed they feel that they can really do that as they have the strength. I will politely thank the guy who will offer a "push" but will gladly tell him that I am checking and monitoring my performance and hence, I do not need a "push" - I will accept food and water but not this way even how agonizing it is... Well, if it is OK for the rider being "pushed", it's fine...specially on practice or fun rides...that establishes good camaraderie...but the best way to "push" a rider is to give encouragement and tips or just be with him so he can finish the ride and be satisfied. I peaked right around december and can give a small push to anyone struggling. I have pushed Bong, Rula, ~~~~, and hang on Mamati's a$$ before (lakas nyan) together with Jessie. But I wont push you!!! Bigat mo no!!! Translation= He's heavy! he's my brother!!! ;D ;D ;D He he he...that's why I don't want being pushed by a rider. If something happens to that rider, I might be blamed...I miss Mamati coz I hold on her hair when she pass by me..."PULL" her pala not push....he he he...
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Post by Ben Dover on Oct 1, 2007 0:37:27 GMT 8
its just pride people...one thing good about swallowing your pride is its non-fattening..ahahaha! ;D just want to remind you guys to be careful who you push..when i heard freeman pushed somebody, it almost turned into an international crisis! lol! levity aside, in xc mountain biking scene here, pushing someone up a hill i believe is not uncommon...dami ko nang nakita nyan...to mostly newbies who lack a bit of endurance by mostly veteran riders...believe me, its very hard to do it if ur not ( i've tried...unsuccessfully ;D)one hand on the handlebar and the other pushing the guy while doing hard pedaling, propelling you both..well of course depende sa terrain. baka naman during his newbie days the guy received the same help from a stranger...i think its much better if we just think that way...say ur thanks and give the man the satisfaction in his mind that he helped somebody...walang mawawala.
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Post by kulot_salot on Oct 1, 2007 8:14:47 GMT 8
..when i heard freeman pushed somebody, it almost turned into an international crisis! lol! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by kulot_salot on Oct 1, 2007 8:24:17 GMT 8
Team tactics are not used much in mtb racing, therefore many of the concepts are alien to us (giving someone an extended push uphill would not be legal in a road race). In fact, during a mtb race one rider cannot help another rider, even to lend tools or a tube. doing so could get you disqualified. you must carry everything you need to finish a race. In road racing a team member may give up a wheel or his whole bike to another teammate, all perfectly legal. SO! it's a macho thing of mountain bikers to be self-contained & self-reliant.... hhhmmmm..... i guess a certain person i know must know how to fix his flat, repair his tube..... & lick his wounds himself if (again) he crashes.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by wcoastbo on Oct 2, 2007 2:16:36 GMT 8
The meaning of the rolling eyes escapes me, but I don't really think it's a macho thing, more of a practical thing. Early mtb riders were few and far between when out on remote trails. If you didn't have some basic mechanical abilities, then you might have to walk many hours to get back home. This same self-reliant culture and attitude were incorporated into the rules when racing. Road racing evolved differently, not better or worse. Who knows what future rules will be incorporated into mtb racing.
Trail riding ettiquette is different. besides, if you don't help a person on the trail, then you'll have a mechanical on a future ride. karma is a b!tch, when you're miles from home.
I really don't understand how all this elitism and insecurity have some how come between roadies and mtbers. There's even divisions between xc, dh, and other groups. Maybe, it's because some people want to distinguish themselves within a certain subgroup and establish some type of exclusivity. I much prefer to categorize myself within the larger group of "cyclista" and let others, who need to be "brand specific", create labels within their own mind. I don't discriminate, I like all bikes and those who ride them are instantly my friends.
Next time you come in contact with our skinny tire siblings when pedalling on the streets, say something positive about their bike. Bridge the gap that divides us. You may not get the response you're looking for, but in the back of their minds they'll be thinking "those fat tire folks are good people".
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Post by wcoastbo on Oct 2, 2007 2:24:58 GMT 8
I'll admit to accepting a push. I was on a group ride and everyone was stronger than myself. Because of my slow pace the ride took longer than expected and the sun was already setting. Instead of holding back the group and forcing them to ride in the dark, I had to swallow my pride and accept a push. They could have easily left me alone in the dark.
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Post by kontrabulatekid on Oct 3, 2007 9:37:58 GMT 8
hello peeps.
basically, roadies who 'race' guys on mtbs are inferior roadies. these are roadies who race only those that they are sure to leave behind.
full blooded roadies race only roadies or at most guys on hybrids trying to race with roadies.
i hope nobody gets offended but we all know that road bikes are built for speed so it is unlikely that a guy on a road bike will be beaten by a guy on an mtb assuming they have the same fitness level.
and besides, a roadie drafting at 20kph? i really don't buy that. on a normal day, you can't even feel the wind til after 32kph or so. so its probably more of a retaliation for these inferior roadies if they tail you down and try to leave you on the next corner.
maraming roadies ang mayabang but don't lose your cool. if a roadie tails your rear, its either they are just taking your lead or nasaktan mo ego nila hehe.
personally, i don't mind if anything or anyone passing me be it on flats or climbs, i just keep my pace. if they can really maintain a high pace then good for them, if they can't then i'll be seeing them in just a little while.
if you don't feel comfy with a roadie at your back, senyas ka lang and let them pass if you feel like nababagalan sila sayo. tawanan mo na lang if they speed up to drop you. it's like a pajero matched up with an sir, no contest, unfair advantage.
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Post by king on Oct 3, 2007 10:22:32 GMT 8
uy edward! how long have you been hear. naglulurk din ba si raymond hehe. ayan boys, you have your answer from a full time roadie. edward, sali kayo sa matabunkay?
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Post by allegra on Oct 3, 2007 10:32:19 GMT 8
Welcome Sups!
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Post by icecold on Oct 3, 2007 11:51:17 GMT 8
i hope nobody gets offended but we all know that road bikes are built for speed so it is unlikely that a guy on a road bike will be beaten by a guy on an mtb assuming they have the same fitness level. and besides, a roadie drafting at 20kph? i really don't buy that. on a normal day, you can't even feel the wind til after 32kph or so. so its probably more of a retaliation for these inferior roadies if they tail you down and try to leave you on the next corner. That's exactly why I brought this up. It's like me saying to this roadie, "naka-mtb lang ako, ba't mo ako pinapatulan?" (translate: I'm JUST riding an mtb, why are you challenging me?) After reading your answers, I tend to agree with them.
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Post by gadgets88 on Oct 3, 2007 12:33:37 GMT 8
I really don't understand how all this elitism and insecurity have some how come between roadies and mtbers. There's even divisions between xc, dh, and other groups. Maybe, it's because some people want to distinguish themselves within a certain subgroup and establish some type of exclusivity. I much prefer to categorize myself within the larger group of "cyclista" and let others, who need to be "brand specific", create labels within their own mind. I don't discriminate, I like all bikes and those who ride them are instantly my friends. Next time you come in contact with our skinny tire siblings when pedalling on the streets, say something positive about their bike. Bridge the gap that divides us. You may not get the response you're looking for, but in the back of their minds they'll be thinking "those fat tire folks are good people". Bo, insight drives to the point. You just gave the answers I'm looking for. Let us prove that harmony and peace is possible, at least in world of PinoyMTBiker s.
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Post by kontrabulatekid on Oct 3, 2007 12:48:57 GMT 8
^hey king, bago lang ako dito but flahute has been here for a while now. i wanted to do matabungkay this year kaso may mga family matters ako that i need to attend to. sarap sana yun kasi dehins ko pa natry dun but we frequent the place on cars though. sali ba team nyo?
@ icebox
sir, tend to agree with whom?
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Post by king on Oct 3, 2007 13:05:23 GMT 8
i'm sure sasali kami. it's a lot longer though- 135km for cat a & b, 90 for cat c, and i haven't really biked since the XRC TTT. i haven't tried the loop either so i want to be able to pre-ride it once. lapit na din e.
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Post by icecold on Oct 3, 2007 14:00:26 GMT 8
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Post by kontrabulatekid on Oct 4, 2007 12:48:07 GMT 8
sir, san ba itong route niyo so i have an idea what sort of roadies you're dealing with? thanks!
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