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Post by jason on Aug 25, 2007 19:26:52 GMT 8
at present i have a full suspension nrs 3 with EVERYTHING upgraded except for the frame, rear shock and the stock seat collar quick release. fox fork, xtr's, xt wheelset, thomsons, gobi, avid bb7, etc. and with ROAD TIRES, 1.5's.
i used the orphaned parts to build up a decent hardtail bike. bought a giant xtc team for this. minute 2 fork, rf exolve xc cranks, deore's, tektro io, etc. i lend this to friends we invite (who don't have bikes yet) to ride with us.
here's the thing. 98% of my rides i do inside our village. i bike primarily for cardio exercise. did santa rosa twice and maarat once palang with my friends. transporting the bike, driving to a remote location, coming home with a muddy bike is not so much my thing. i like the challenge of beating my personal best though. doing laps around our village, trying to beat my time.
all of my bike group friends have mountain bikes. one of them's a roadie on a seven (also has a hardtail mtb with road tires), one's on a specialized stumpjumper carbon sworks (my ka-village, expressed interest to go road bike later on), one had his mtb stolen so he's still bikeless at the moment but planning and saving up for a road bike, we also have a 60 year old triathlete who rides with us who bikes stronger than us half his age! he trains on an mtb but plans to get a cervelo tri bike if he feels he's in shape na. the other's on the process of getting a cannondale prophet - he enjoys urban riding.
i average 26 - 27 kph over 45 minutes on my 26 lbs full suspension xc frame (village riding, LOTS of humps). switching to a road bike that's about 18 lbs, how much more do you guys think it would add to my average speed?
is it advisable for me to invest/spend on a road bike if i'll be riding it primarily inside our village with many humps? would the humps be harsh on the road bike? i mean can it take the abuse? i'm comfortable in spending around P60k for a road bike. preferably giant, preferably carbon, and to get more mileage to the peso, i'll buy used. :-D
my fs xc nrs with road tires is quite perfect for village riding. comfortable because of the front and rear suspension. but am i missing out on a great thing by not going skinnier? ;-)
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Post by Jan Atienza on Aug 25, 2007 21:31:20 GMT 8
Doesnt matter if you ride inside the village, as long as your riding.
If you have a preoccupation for time/personal best & clean bikes, sell the NRS and get a road bike or sell the NRS and upgrade your hardtail for weight & speed.
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Post by Superbad on Aug 25, 2007 21:37:27 GMT 8
Get a road bike and you'll even be faster. Make it a full carbon one so you feel too beat up from all the bumps on the road.
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Post by rench on Aug 25, 2007 22:42:06 GMT 8
borrow a road bike first, one that's in your size and see if you are comfortable with riding in the drops.
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Post by jason on Aug 26, 2007 10:57:32 GMT 8
edited my title from "keep xc with road setup" to "stick with fs xc with road setup" so it won't be misleading.
i can still manage to get a road bike even without selling my existing bikes. :-) my concern is if it would be a good move on my part. spending more than P50T is not small change too. what i'd like to know is if it would make me significantly faster, and by how much?
would like to hear from those who own both mtbs and road bikes on what additional speed they're getting coming from an mtb to a road bike. let's say same rider, 27 lbs mtb vs 18 lbs road bike = additional 5 kph faster? i have no idea. what's realistic? thanks for your inputs! :-)
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Post by allegra on Aug 26, 2007 13:07:37 GMT 8
no contest and it's not just the weight Roadbikes are much faster , tuern sharper and handle better on the road If time trials are your thing , then get a TT bike
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Post by Jan Atienza on Aug 26, 2007 19:40:16 GMT 8
Dunno if this is correct -
Priorities - cardio fitness - speed - competing with one's self
Conditions of playground/personal preference -
- 98% inside village - speed humps - absence of bike transport - dirtied bike/clean conditions
road bikes accelerate faster and the drivetrain is built for speed. your playground conditions, however make this purchase moot since you wont be able to accelerate to your desired speed without hitting a speed hump. tenable playgrounds (minimal speed humps) for road bike would be MOA, QC Circle, Antipolo, Sierra Madre & Bugarin but these locations entail bike transport. correct? (dunno where you are from)
i've an 18.33lbs MTB but it can never accelerate faster than a road bike. it can probably reach your desired speed but will be harder to sustain and will probably take twice the effort just to accelerate...at that time, the road bike will probably have opened a gap of 200 meters....and at that time, the acid would have kicked in. pacing with a road bike is feasible but out of the saddle sprints.... you are a goner. with your priorities, spot on. with your playground conditions, also moot. correct?
and i say this with the utmost respect (so its clear that i'm not insulting), you may want to invest in a trainer. you will comply with your priorities and address your personal preferences.
since you do have the budget for a road bike, then go ahead with your purchase.
since you did ask for viewpoint from roadie/mtb'ers, then i hope my mamiso helps.
better yet, take a step back, re-assess your priorities and preferences, then decide.
much better would be to buy a roadbike, invite the wifey to use the mtb and voila! you have a family activity that is healthy physically & emotionally.
at the end of the day, we all just want to be fit while having fun. since you are obviously secure, never take into account that biking inside a village is incorrect. that cycling in trails or in looong roads are the norm. the fact that YOU CAN but opt not to is a personal preference not a weakness. you are not cycling to please anyone nor to be judged (just a positive reinforcement).
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Post by jason on Aug 26, 2007 20:25:08 GMT 8
wow! spot on! thanks for the input and for your time and effort in helping me out. much appreciated.
given my priorities and preferences, i think it's best for me to stick with my existing bikes for the meantime. maybe upgrade those that affect rotating weight (to ceramic bearings, or lighter inner tubes or get a new wheelset altogether, etc. $$$!). since biking is best enjoyed with friends on a group ride (riding alone is a different matter), i think i'll get a road bike if my friends get theirs already. hehe
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Post by anthrax76 on Aug 28, 2007 12:43:47 GMT 8
i'll add some more confusion, he he he. my dad would always ride on pavement but i couldn't afford a road bike. well...i could but neither me nor my dad is comfortable riding one. while i'm making my bike burlier, he's making his bike more XC inclined or rather nearer to a road bike as possible. everything went rigid, as in no suspension. Then came the choice of drivetrain, he does some climbing (antipolo, tagaytay) so we we're stuck with an 8-speed megarange cogset. he then chose the 48-36-26 (i think) chainrings. he was happy with that but he still wants to do laps faster in MOA. Next upgrade he was thinking was using 700c wheels, but we couldn't find brakes that will fit his frame so we went discs. v-brakes won't do the job because of the bigger rim diameter, cantilevers won't fit. he doesn't mind the weight penalty. next thing we might do is change his crankset to road, but we'll still stick with a triple. i just don't know the tooth combination but i've seen a triple chainring from Ultegra, hopefully it would be compatible with his shifter
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Post by arcireyes on Aug 28, 2007 12:50:04 GMT 8
if i may again add to the confusion....... if a big percentage of your rides is inside the village, why not just build a Single Speed (SS) rig i believe the cardio workout becomes sweeter, i might be wrong though
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Post by Ben Dover on Aug 28, 2007 13:05:48 GMT 8
around the village? if the purpose is for fitness only and you're just competing with yourself, a basic, properly working mtb or road bike is all you need...no fancy ek ek..nothing can beat the comfort of a MTB though with suspension and fat tires onroad and offroad. you already have more than what you need. imho.
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Post by wcoastbo on Aug 29, 2007 1:52:35 GMT 8
jason - sounds like you enjoy speed. a roadbike will make you faster for the same amount of energy output. it's much more aero, lighter and has lower rolling resistance (with the proper tires and pressure). one of the downsides of a roadbike is that you will feel every bump magnified with tires that have 100+ psi, especially with a super stiff frame. depending on the size and shape of those speed humps, you probably have to slow down or bunnyhop them. square hits on large humps is going to take a toll on your body and bike, very different compared to riding a fs bike. roadbikes perform best on smooth surfaces.
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Post by mountguitars on Aug 29, 2007 2:35:03 GMT 8
go for a road bike. me, im not thrilled riding on concrete/asphalt. in fact, nanghihinayang ako to use my mountainbike on concrete/asphalt. just doesnt makes sense to me not unless i slap road tires on my wheelsets. i really feel connected if its offroad. on your case, you feel happy on the road so i guess a road bike is for you.
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Post by allegra on Aug 29, 2007 8:19:06 GMT 8
Sell your bikes take up running I would go crazy if I rode around my village in circles
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Post by jason on Aug 29, 2007 9:00:11 GMT 8
all of you make sense. it's confusing. hehehe ;-) arcireyes - really wanted to have an ss ever since, but i already utilized all my spare parts to build a hardtail. maybe the discipline of not shifting throughout the whole circuit is somewhat like riding an ss already. i use only 2 gearing combinations for the whole village loop by the way. saw the jamis exile 29er and... i like - it's a 3-in-1 bike to me, single speed, 29er and chromoly. :-) wcoastbo - that's my big concern in making the road bike jump - our humps... our humps... our lovely village humps! :-p ours isn't as bad as those small but square sidestreet humps, but it isn't as smooth a transition as those in north forbes. the sheer number of humps though would be enough for any biker not to enjoy riding in our village (especially if you're on full rigid...) mountguitars - i'm risk averse. already experienced a broken bone (5th metacarpal) c/o maarat and it's not fun to get sidelined. i'd still ride trails again though but it wouldn't be frequent. allegra - i'm starting to add some running to my exercise routine already. but at 5'6" and 165 lbs, my extra ballast is somewhat hard on my knees pa. i go gym aside from biking so as not to go crazy riding around in circles. riding on a trainer/stationary bike? THAT'S not so fun. hehe
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Post by badburn on Aug 30, 2007 21:05:50 GMT 8
for a 45minute ride, you'll definitely can go faster on a road bike. from my experience for a 30km ride (on the road), i definitely can cover the distance much faster on my road bike than on my mountain bike. But for a 100km ride, my time difference for completing the ride isn't that much significant, guess it all much depends on you stamina when you ride long distance.
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Post by jason on Aug 30, 2007 21:46:45 GMT 8
allow me to post a pic of my village exercise bike... :-) the firm suspension makes going over all those humps more tolerable. the 1.5 road/city tires allows the bike to roll with less friction compared to knobby tires. xc "stance" is more aero vs trail "upright stance", but of course road position is even more aero. :-) BTW, my 45+- minute ride is around 19.5 kms.
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Post by wcoastbo on Aug 31, 2007 2:13:43 GMT 8
Jason - stay with what you have. The only real reason to purchase a roadbike is to ride faster. In your case exercise is exercise, it doesn't matter which bike you're riding. Ride your laps and bunnyhop those humps for fun, or use them as a ramp if they're the right shape. Riding, whether on a roadbike/mtb or asphalt/dirt, is always a better alternative to sitting in front of a TV or PC.
Although, with such a nice bike it's a shame not to use it for the intended purpose... in the dirt. I wouldn't let a couple of setbacks keep you from the dirt. We all crash now and then. My crashes on a roadbike are less frequent, but seem to cause much more down time due to the higher speeds involved.
Get a second set of wheels with a road cassette. It's much easier to swap wheels, then it is to change tires for the dirt. If you want the speed of road wheels, lace a 700c wheel to a mtb disc hub. It should work, but verify that there's enough clearance on your frame. A 700c wheel with skinny tire is close to the same size as a 26" with fat tire.
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Post by arcireyes on Aug 31, 2007 8:20:28 GMT 8
WOW an FS XC rig for a village exercise bike i will be lying if i don't say i envy you for having an FS XC rig for exercising and going around the village. kasi i've always dreamed of having a Giant NRS to do the trails of maarat, sta rosa, licao2 or whatnot how i wish for the comfort of an FS rig doing jackhammer, upak and sta inez. enjoy your blessing brother. btw, have you tried the lamesa ecotrail. your group can always enjoy its trails once in while. ride safe! allow me to post a pic of my village exercise bike... :-) the firm suspension makes going over all those humps more tolerable. the 1.5 road/city tires allows the bike to roll with less friction compared to knobby tires. xc "stance" is more aero vs trail "upright stance", but of course road position is even more aero. :-) BTW, my 45+- minute ride is around 19.5 kms.
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Post by rocky on Aug 31, 2007 9:24:48 GMT 8
That yummy sweet licking candy colored FS XC with road set up of yours looks too luxurious for a village exercise bike and is what I may term as an overkill for its intended purpose. Enjoy exercising on it just the same.
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Post by Ben Dover on Aug 31, 2007 10:12:21 GMT 8
exactly what i'm saying..he has more trail capable bikes than i...lol ;D sir, i'm pretty sure you've seen the bikes of peeps who do actual offroad riding, jumps, drop, dh etc. at the bike gallery...that should be enough to answer your questions. what's with the road bike? to become a roadie? some peeps call them beauty queens! haha lol! that was joke...i have roadie friends..a lot of them are real nice people.
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Post by anthrax76 on Aug 31, 2007 11:20:51 GMT 8
same with wcoastbo's advice. you might want to assemble another wheelset since you're running discs. you can go 700c on your slick wheelset. then swap your knobby wheelset when you hit the trails
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Post by jason on Aug 31, 2007 12:14:41 GMT 8
having upgraded almost all of the parts that came from my stock nrs 3, for a time i had all these parts stored nicely in a box with no frame to hold them. just a few weeks ago i went ahead and bought a giant xtc team frame to house these components. ride ride... then seeing a used xt wheelset for sale in the classifieds... i got bitten by the upgradeitis bug once more! snapped them up quick and put on knobby tires (1.95s) so i can swap the wheelsets just in case i'll need an fs rig with knobbies. took a picture of both bikes with their own xt wheelsets then weighed them. bad move. the pimped out nrs weighs approx 27 lbs and the spare bike xtc weighs approx 26 lbs. hope i don't turn into a weight weenie or else my savings would take a beating! hehehe the hardtail feels so much faster now coming from a stock 4x6 wheelset. what it lacks lang is the added comfort a full suspension frame provides.
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Post by omel on Sept 5, 2007 9:20:12 GMT 8
your FS is sweet as it is, put a thudbuster on your HT and go as slick/skinny as you'd like on it (1.0- 1.15) replace your largest chainwheel with an even bigger toothed one ( say 46-48), and try to shave more weight on the HT, i'd go vees on the HT also and would probably use clipless, but it's all a matter of preference, go with whatever will make you want to ride more. road ,dirt , going around the village, hitting the trails,xc, dh, ss,urban.... does'nt matter as long as you enjoy what you're doing. ;D
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