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Post by marcs on Aug 9, 2006 10:10:11 GMT 8
alright, here's one for discussion . . .
are there any differences between a MTBiker who does occasional road rides (on a roadbike of course) vs a pure roadie? attitude? training program? etc?
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Post by king on Aug 9, 2006 10:28:08 GMT 8
or how about a roadie who does occasional mtb rides? there's basically no difference. people are people. we shouldn't make generalizations attitudes based of the kind of biking people do. some mountain bikers train a lot and can beat a lot of roadies on a mountain bike, others just keep their bikes nice and shiny. same goes for with road bikers.
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Post by Ben Dover on Aug 9, 2006 10:48:20 GMT 8
king has this way of making a long story short...nakakainis ka na ha..hehehe!
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Post by BrusKO on Aug 9, 2006 10:51:17 GMT 8
Like me, I like my bike nice and shiny- ALWAYS. ;D Seriously, roadies, the way I see it, lean towards "scientific" training. Their races IMHO are far too technical and involves a lot of jargon. MT bikers are fun and nature loving creatures. They just go out and ride! In a race, or in ones I've been to so far, you see these riders just pedalling away. "Corpo" anyone? ;D
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Post by xctofi on Aug 9, 2006 10:57:53 GMT 8
for me there is no "VS" with whatever type of cycling discipline,we all pedal and ride on 2 wheels.we all share the same love for biking.
as i remember one time when i rode up Mangga,Antipolo, i got a flat tire and no patch kit nor spare tubes.a couple of roadies helped me patch up the tubes. i thanked them and offered to pay for the patch kit,they declined saying "ang kapwa siklista mabait sa kapwa siklista".
"VS" in most cases,denotes a very negative meaning.
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Post by king on Aug 9, 2006 11:02:52 GMT 8
o ito, si tolits, isa sa mga chumichibog ng roadies sa kalye hehe. lito, have mercy on them, pinapahiya mo naman sila e hahahaha king has this way of making a long story short...nakakainis ka na ha..hehehe!
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Post by arcireyes on Aug 9, 2006 11:03:13 GMT 8
amen to that xctofi
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Post by BrusKO on Aug 9, 2006 11:09:09 GMT 8
I guess the VS that marcs was referring to was in a figurative way. And if you read his post, it explains just that. It wasn't his intention to put any discipline in bad light.
Semantics lang yan mga padre...
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Post by grnhrnt on Aug 9, 2006 11:46:29 GMT 8
I agree w/ Tofi, there should be no distinction. I both have an mtb and compete in xc racing and am always on a trial every weekend and a road bike (also have joined roadbike races) w/c I am on 3 times a week, scientifically training as brusko mentioned w/ all the different techniques and jargon. Love doing both! Its a pity if I have to give up one or the other because someone says you have to be either one or the other. But when asked, even if i'm on a roadbike more times a week, I always say i'm a mtn biker. I should dump the "mtn" word and just say I'm a biker or cyclist.
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Post by Superbad on Aug 9, 2006 11:52:44 GMT 8
i'm a cyclist!
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Post by Superbad on Aug 9, 2006 11:53:03 GMT 8
where can i get a recumbent? or perhaps a chopper?
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Post by g.b.b on Aug 9, 2006 12:19:21 GMT 8
this is the reason why im selling my roadbike....... PROS & CONS CONS in roadbike: - crooked road should be avoided otherwise you'll have flat tire - felix bakat outfit - cant enjoy trails - roadies are suplado compared to mtb bikers - most of the roadies im seeing are really really, what i can say, "legend" matatanda na - if you crash on a roadbike its really "makunat na aray" - roadies' shoes are very uncomfortable to use if you're walking - most of the road trips are polluted PROS in roadbike - ahhhhhhhhh i cant think of any....promise.. hehehe let me say, its really not my riding style and im bored with long road trip on a road bike. crooked road for me should be run over not avoided hehehe.........i hate it when im doin unnecessary turn just to avoid crooked spots. but i had fun with it coz it gives me less effort accelerating but i also hate the felix bakat outfit.
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Post by marcs on Aug 9, 2006 12:27:01 GMT 8
I guess the VS that marcs was referring to was in a figurative way. And if you read his post, it explains just that. It wasn't his intention to put any discipline in bad light. Semantics lang yan mga padre... oo nga, didn't mean to ask who is better. just wanted to know if a pure roadie creature or maybe even a pure MTB creature would be different from the half-breeds (roadie/MTB) hehehehe
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Post by Ben Dover on Aug 9, 2006 13:07:27 GMT 8
bruce, no need to do that...marcs will remit all the balance payments and will deliver the jerseys hehehe! king, kasi lagi rin nila akong chinichibog. hey its shaping to be a long story after all.
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Post by Ben Dover on Aug 9, 2006 13:29:28 GMT 8
levity aside, i do believe that both cycling disciplines have their own "subculture" if you may call it that...but that doesnt mean one is better than the other...may konting kaibahan lang...ganun rin sa ating DH/FR brothers. now to answer the question...bikers who crosstrain/discipline i believe are the lucky ones..they get the benefit of both and at the same time gain more knowledge and understanding of each "subculture"...well rounded ika nga. hey i want a road bike!!!
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Post by byteblues on Aug 9, 2006 13:29:41 GMT 8
im a 70% roadie and 30% mtbiker... i luv long rides on the road kaya i go for a road bike. hmmmm....comment ko lng ito PROS & CONS CONS in roadbike: - crooked road should be avoided otherwise you'll have flat tire (pwede!) - felix bakat outfit (preference mo n lng ito!) - cant enjoy trails (tama! mas challenging ang trail) - roadies are suplado compared to mtb bikers ( ?, conclusion ba ito???) - most of the roadies im seeing are really really, what i can say, "legend" matatanda na ( - if you crash on a roadbike its really "makunat na aray" (di ba ganun din sa mtb, mahirap nyan bangin pa bagsakan mo) - roadies' shoes are very uncomfortable to use if you're walking (kung di ka sanay) - most of the road trips are polluted (go to the province for fresh air) ...i agree on some points pero nasa ugali mo na yun. MagMTB ka man, dehins na magbabago ugali mo. Dont over-over generalize. But i guess, if wala na use isang bagay sa iyo...benta mo na lng.
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Post by allegra on Aug 9, 2006 13:30:21 GMT 8
I guess the VS that marcs was referring to was in a figurative way. And if you read his post, it explains just that. It wasn't his intention to put any discipline in bad light. Semantics lang yan mga padre... oo nga, didn't mean to ask who is better. just wanted to know if a pure roadie creature or maybe even a pure MTB creature would be different from the half-breeds (roadie/MTB) hehehehe I guess I"m a half breed Love the look on roadies faces pag sumama ako wearing baggy mtb shorts . It's not as jologs as it sounds pala a roadie also told me alam nya I'm a triathlete daw kasi I was the only one there sa long ride who wasnt wearing gloves and socks, naka singlet pero naka helmet hehe
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Post by woofers on Aug 9, 2006 15:44:38 GMT 8
a roadie also told me alam nya I'm a triathlete daw kasi I was the only one there sa long ride who wasnt wearing gloves and socks, naka singlet pero naka helmet hehe Hehe, dapat mtbers vs. roadies vs. triathletes! (ignoring for the moment that there are trialsers, urbaners, BMXers, recumbents, cruisers, singlespeeders, fixed-gearers, unicycles...) MTBers - dirty, beer-swilling neanderthals Roadie - effete, sponsor-stickered, drug-dependent, euro-trash Triathlete - speedo-wearing, aero-bar gear addicts
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Post by Superbad on Aug 9, 2006 16:17:39 GMT 8
let the flaming begin! marcs, its all your fault!
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Post by marcs on Aug 9, 2006 17:05:28 GMT 8
so begins the phantom menace . . . tan tan, tan, tananan tan tan tan tanan tan tananan
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Post by grnhrnt on Aug 9, 2006 17:27:18 GMT 8
hahahahhaha!!! Go Brian go!
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Post by byteblues on Aug 9, 2006 19:38:33 GMT 8
flaming hot!.. hey no issues here...
each one has its own taste and preference so lets just respect that fact that everyone is enjoying their own rides. im getting a little bit inclined into mtb that's why im thinking of getting one. actually i sold my old mtb for a road bike (stupid move!)...right now i miss the best part of off-road riding...and definitely i crave for it..
hehe ... if tolits wants a road bike....i want my MTB...
hey pansin ko lng....MTBikers on trail have the same level of courtesy as mountaineers (backpackers, hikers)
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Post by arcireyes on Aug 9, 2006 20:01:09 GMT 8
speaking of subculture or for that matter culture:
i am just a neophyte to this sports of biking, being here barely 4-5 months but one thing i had observed (without necessarily generalizing) is that roadies seems to be very much centered on speed. like my boss, who is a roadie, everytime i tell him stories of my weekend cycling all he asks are the distance i covered and the time consumed covering the distance. as compared with PinoyMTBiker peepz that i have rode with, parang everything seems to be discussed in terms of the beauty of the ride and how the ride was enjoyed by the group.
dunno, pero ang obserbasyon ko mtbikers seems to enjoy the beauty of the rides and tend to socialize more...hehehe.
of course this is not a generalization and there are some exemptions to the rule. i have rode with kewl roadies.....roadieprojek....as well as PinoyMTBiker'ers in their roadbikes....driver, reign, aman, etc.
i think it's in the person's character.
we again return to the gasgas nang adage.......its not the bike......its the biker
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Post by ronaldarca on Aug 9, 2006 20:01:19 GMT 8
flaming hot!.. hey no issues here... each one has its own taste and preference so lets just respect that fact that everyone is enjoying their own rides. im getting a little bit inclined into mtb that's why im thinking of getting one. actually i sold my old mtb for a road bike (stupid move!)...right now i miss the best part of off-road riding...and definitely i crave for it.. hehe ... if tolits wants a road bike....i want my MTB... hey pansin ko lng....MTBikers on trail have the same level of courtesy as mountaineers (backpackers, hikers) i agree with you andie. since there's a number of mounties (am i correct with the term? sounds gay ) who venture into mtb i guess some cases are isolated like snobbish roadies, but not all of them i met lots of roadies at UP who're as cool
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Post by Eikichi on Aug 9, 2006 22:16:28 GMT 8
Share ko lang, 1 time when I was riding somewhere in south using my Mall bike armed with a 1.75 tyres with big knobbies I meet some fellow roadies and I eventually joined them upon the stopover they keep on aking why I use a set of big tyres, I said sometimes I use this bike for trails judging by the look on their faces they seem to be disgust to my tyres hehehehe ;D well people are people
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Post by g.b.b on Aug 10, 2006 3:06:44 GMT 8
PROS & CONS CONS in roadbike: - crooked road should be avoided otherwise you'll have flat tire (pwede!) - felix bakat outfit (preference mo n lng ito!) - cant enjoy trails (tama! mas challenging ang trail) - roadies are suplado compared to mtb bikers ( ?, conclusion ba ito???) - [glow=blue,2,200]i guess its just a conclusion, but most of roadies are really suplado its maybe becoz they're busy avoiding crooked roads in metro manila. hehe kidding (half meant)[/glow] - most of the roadies im seeing are really really, what i can say, "legend" matatanda na - if you crash on a roadbike its really makunat na aray (di ba ganun din sa mtb, mahirap nyan bangin pa bagsakan mo) - [glow=blue,2,200]in terms of road it is makunat na aray....coz in trails when you crash it will result to small cuts or worst is hairline fracture which is aray din unlike in roadbike it will give you road rash most of the time if you crash.[/glow] - roadies' shoes are very uncomfortable to use if you're walking (kung di ka sanay) [glow=blue,2,200]- can you run using roadbike shoes?[/glow] - most of the road trips are polluted (go to the province for fresh air) - [glow=blue,2,200]good suggestion......so roadies what are you waiting for??? hehehe kidding (half meant)[/glow] ...i agree on some points pero nasa ugali mo na yun. MagMTB ka man, dehins na magbabago ugali mo. Dont over-over generalize. But i guess, if wala na use isang bagay sa iyo...benta mo na lng. [glow=blue,2,200]thanks for the feedback. appreciated. its just really my observation, im not generalizing my pros and cons here. but if your affected, its not in my control anymore....[/glow]
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Post by losiphile on Aug 10, 2006 7:04:06 GMT 8
All I can say is RESPECT ;D
If you're a ROADIE, respect the rights of the MTBIKERs...if they want to ride on paved road using their MTBs so be it and so on...
If you're a MTBIKER, respect the right of the ROADIES...if they want to ride on dirt roads using their ROAD bike so be it also and so on...
If you like both, then I guess you know what I mean ;D
Peace...September na next month...holiday season na naman ;D
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Post by xctofi on Aug 10, 2006 7:36:53 GMT 8
well for me MTB is the most versatile of all,what roadies can do you can do with MTB even if u don't switch to slicks it might not be that fast but still(exception to Sir Tolits of course),roadies can't go off road.
thank you very much
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Post by janix on Aug 10, 2006 7:50:15 GMT 8
my opinion: I think i see more roadies on a road bike, and they usually ride on road. Mountain bikers on the other hand are more on trails, and they have a mountain bike. hmmm... thats how clear i could think for now. hehehe
but here in Baguio, roadies and mtbers.... no difference. they all ride road. especially when it rains, hmm... makes me wanna do trails again. hehehe
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Post by xctofi on Aug 10, 2006 7:52:58 GMT 8
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