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Post by spyghost on Aug 8, 2017 7:01:33 GMT 8
It's easier than it sounds - just need a few mins/ride to practice... - At default saddle height, always pedal with heavy feet and light hands - the less input you have on the bards the easier it is to master - Practice 1 hand first and gradually releasing each finger - do the same for both hands - Try releasing both hands - you will wobble at first and may only last for a few secs before you hold the bars again - Do it frequently when bored and soon you'll be lasting secs, mins...
Try it to take away the boring pedaling moments specially when you ride going to the trail and back home.
As an added challenge, do it downhill and uphill - the former being more dangerous and the later being more difficult. The benefit that i see when doing this uphill is that you get to know the edge of your balance, side-to-side and fore and aft.
I understand that various people have different responses, but I find this drill beneficial for climbing. If you find a 'fool' pedaling no hands that could be me... lol
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Post by icemann77 on Aug 8, 2017 8:36:53 GMT 8
me too tried practicing this trick. but fear would always get ahead of me. if you think of it, we already know how to balance since we ride our bikes but letting go of the handle bar is a different thing altogether hehe.
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Post by konablack on Aug 8, 2017 10:15:01 GMT 8
if i'm on a paved road, i try to do this once in a while, but if madaming lubak, kinda delikads hehe fun trick/skill to do
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Post by anarki on Aug 8, 2017 10:39:23 GMT 8
jusko po this is the only trick i can do. lel. I hope I can wheelie soon. practicing every weekend.
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Post by spyghost on Aug 8, 2017 11:56:05 GMT 8
jusko po this is the only trick i can do. lel. I hope I can wheelie soon. practicing every weekend. actually i'm looking at it as another progression towards wheelie ;p but... i'm proud to say... i can move forward in an fugly awkward manner with 3 full pedal strokes inconsistently... lol
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Post by spyghost on Aug 8, 2017 12:00:56 GMT 8
if i'm on a paved road, i try to do this once in a while, but if madaming lubak, kinda delikads hehe fun trick/skill to do i've never tried it yet offroad lol but on paved road, sometimes you can add a twist in practicing the skill by avoiding road irregularities by steering with no hands via knees and hips
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Post by spyghost on Aug 8, 2017 12:05:32 GMT 8
me too tried practicing this trick. but fear would always get ahead of me. if you think of it, we already know how to balance since we ride our bikes but letting go of the handle bar is a different thing altogether hehe. yea, i had fear as well... it took a while before i got rid of it since it's really wobbly at first. i just remembered a progression step. once you get to the point where you can release both hands and last for a split second, aim for a certain number of pedal strokes. don't look at time as means of measurement, but pedal strokes as it's easier to focus on. sooner or later you'll realize you're making 3 or more strokes
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Post by anthrax76 on Aug 8, 2017 14:00:12 GMT 8
here's a tip when practicing no hands. find a space big enough for about 20 pedal strokes. normally i teach this with a 32 x 15 gearing or any 2:1 combination. 1) practice letting go of your less dominant hand. be familiar with the steering and balancing. 2) then try holding on to the bars with your less dominant hand and let go of the dominant hand. this is how it's going to feel when you're unsure or will be off balance. be familiar with it as this will be your signal to hold on the bars with both hands. *** the reason it's a bit more difficult to practice this on an mtb is due to torso positioning, we're leaning towards the handlebar. notice riders with no hands are seated upright. it's a commitment and it will also give better side to side balance. *** the faster you are, the more balanced. this vid will demonstrate that the bicycle wheel will balance on its own. the rider is actually fighting the physics of a rotating wheel when steering it 3) after mastering #1 and #2, you can go at a certain speed, about 20kph is enough, 25kph is better. let go of the bars with both hands. you can hover your hands above the bars if you're still sketchy on the balance. once you're confident, sit back, torso perpendicular to the ground, enjoy it's flashy, but it helps when you need to do something quick. i could fasten my hipbelt buckle, a quick adjustment of the helmet. it's not as difficult as it sounds, i just broke down steps on how you might want to learn it **** you can also do no hands while standing up. but it has no safe practical application, all for show. but yeah, i can also teach this if you want.
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Post by icemann77 on Aug 8, 2017 14:25:43 GMT 8
i usually saw no hands biking sa mga nanalo sa race. at olats pa nga ako ng mga anak ko marunong na sila haha. but definitely like you guys suggest just need to practice.
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Post by spyghost on Aug 8, 2017 15:25:13 GMT 8
my main objective for learning this is to be able to feed while riding. i just later discovered that it can be beneficial in climbing as well.
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Post by spyghost on Aug 8, 2017 17:30:43 GMT 8
i usually saw no hands biking sa mga nanalo sa race. at olats pa nga ako ng mga anak ko marunong na sila haha. but definitely like you guys suggest just need to practice. Nino Schurter... just yesterday in Canada
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Post by anthrax76 on Aug 8, 2017 19:33:17 GMT 8
just don't overthink it, he he. nakakabalance ka na, it's just overcoming your fear of lessening the contact points from 5 to 3. btw, lowest speed i can maintain no hands is about 14 - 16 kph. but don't go that low if you're still learning. and keep pedalling when you're learning. soon you can coast
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Post by anarki on Aug 8, 2017 22:16:46 GMT 8
One tip that I can add is that you should also try varying gears. I run a 3x7 mtb and I find it easiest to balance when I'm running on the 2nd crank gear. Maybe there's a preferred speed and cadence where it's easiest to maintain that balance.
My 12 year old sister can do it, and she's able to turn and get through humps without putting her hands back on the bars. You guys can do it too!
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Post by anarki on Aug 8, 2017 22:19:09 GMT 8
actually i'm looking at it as another progression towards wheelie ;p but... i'm proud to say... i can move forward in an fugly awkward manner with 3 full pedal strokes inconsistently... lol I can't consistently lift my front wheel. I'll need a shorter stem and probably a riser bar to make it easier.
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Post by anthrax76 on Aug 8, 2017 22:41:15 GMT 8
OT: about the wheelie, i'm starting to think about what a friend of mine said, "there are wheelie persons and there are non-wheelie persons"
I have really low success with the wheelie, ha ha ha, whether it's a bike or a skateboard.
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Post by anarki on Aug 8, 2017 22:51:56 GMT 8
OT: about the wheelie, i'm starting to think about what a friend of mine said, "there are wheelie persons and there are non-wheelie persons" I have really low success with the wheelie, ha ha ha, whether it's a bike or a skateboard. NOOOOOO! Well, even Phil from Skills with Phil was able to do master the wheelie after 20 years. I've seen people do it in 6 hours... you may be right. I'll still try as long as I'm not injured yet LOL
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Post by anthrax76 on Aug 8, 2017 23:16:22 GMT 8
he he, i once tried to practice wheelies for about an hour. i had painful wrists for a wheel from all the front end impact.
btw, i'm practicing the wheelie on an xc setup, meaning a high saddle. i know it's a wrong way to learn it, but i'm a tad hard headed, ha ha. or rather, i want to learn a move without modifying my setup.
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Post by anarki on Aug 9, 2017 0:28:17 GMT 8
Same here. I think the main cause of the painful wrists is because of the straight bar, even on a 620mm bar my wrists are awkwardly placed. I'm in the market for a riser bar with backsweep, as I'm told the hands are in a more natural position when doing so.
I'll also go to the gym and do kettlebell exercises, as they apparently help strengthen the wrist to handle more impact.
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Post by anthrax76 on Aug 9, 2017 20:46:39 GMT 8
Back on topic with no hands, i found another technique earlier.
on a wide area, pedal as you would, 20 - 25 kph. slowly sit upright but steer using only your fingers until you can steer with only your fingertips if you have to steer.
by this time, you're pretty much seated upright. you can then just lightly guide the handlebars with your fingers until you have the confidence to just put your arms down.
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Post by anarki on Aug 10, 2017 3:30:41 GMT 8
Back on topic with no hands, i found another technique earlier. on a wide area, pedal as you would, 20 - 25 kph. slowly sit upright but steer using only your fingers until you can steer with only your fingertips if you have to steer. by this time, you're pretty much seated upright. you can then just lightly guide the handlebars with your fingers until you have the confidence to just put your arms down. This is what I just did back then on the bmx. I never tried this on my mtb as I had a pretty good feel for the balance back then. Try this guys this is sooo helpful.
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Post by spyghost on Aug 10, 2017 7:42:32 GMT 8
... and sing 'let it go' with hands in the air
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Post by gaijin on Aug 10, 2017 16:23:14 GMT 8
Natutunan ko to nung elementary days ko haha. Ive tried it on my 29er recently kaya pa naman. Sa wheelie ako nahihirapan
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Post by anarki on Aug 10, 2017 19:05:52 GMT 8
... and sing 'let it go' with hands in the air Remember Elsa making a pump track for Anna, but she doesn't have protective gear and suffers from an accident, which easily endangered her life. Ride safe guys. HAHAHAH OT
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Post by snakebite214 on Aug 15, 2017 23:33:11 GMT 8
Why is it so easy to do no hands when riding old bikes or even old road bikes(use to call them racer)? When I got my Giant TCR tried it but I was unstable, when I switched to Niner, I'm also unstable and can't sustain for long distances. Is the change in geometry and fork angle the culprit? BTW, the gyroscopic effect of the wheels is not the only reason that keeps a bike upright as explained in this video.
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Post by anarki on Aug 16, 2017 0:43:30 GMT 8
I'm guessing the geometry, I can't do it in my bmx, but I'm confident doing it on the road even with moderate traffic.
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Post by spyghost on Aug 16, 2017 6:06:58 GMT 8
Why is it so easy to do no hands when riding old bikes or even old road bikes(use to call them racer)? When I got my Giant TCR tried it but I was unstable, when I switched to Niner, I'm also unstable and can't sustain for long distances. Is the change in geometry and fork angle the culprit? BTW, the gyroscopic effect of the wheels is not the only reason that keeps a bike upright as explained in this video. let's assume geo has an effect. can you post the geo of both bikes for the sake of comparison?
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Post by anthrax76 on Aug 16, 2017 11:38:00 GMT 8
Hmm....now this thread makes me think....I can't...or rather I'm too afraid to go no hands on a 20" folding bike but totally okay going no hands on a BMX. both would have the rider pretty much on an upright position, wheels are of the same size so the gyroscopic effect would be the same.
I'll get some measurements in, ha ha ha, with the same handlebar and saddle height.
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Post by spyghost on Aug 16, 2017 12:33:19 GMT 8
Hmm....now this thread makes me think....I can't...or rather I'm too afraid to go no hands on a 20" folding bike but totally okay going no hands on a BMX. both would have the rider pretty much on an upright position, wheels are of the same size so the gyroscopic effect would be the same. I'll get some measurements in, ha ha ha, with the same handlebar and saddle height. i'm thinking of the combination of head angle and trail that contributes to the wobbly front end...
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Post by anthrax76 on Aug 16, 2017 12:41:42 GMT 8
most likely the head angle. the foldie has a fork rake, the bmx has a straight fork but the mounting of the front wheel is more forward with reference to the head tube, so they're pretty much equal in that sense.
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Post by snakebite214 on Aug 16, 2017 15:02:35 GMT 8
I'm guessing the head tube angle coupled with the fork geometry. On this bike, no problem whatsoever on hands-free even on slight curves. While on this bike, very unstable. Also unstable on this bike.
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