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Post by yetiman on Dec 6, 2005 11:45:28 GMT 8
bros, I'm using tubulars eversince,i have nothing against it. But my roadie friends keep bugging me to shift to clinchers. Sayang naman yung wheelset....i want some opinions outside my circle...tell me more...thnx
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Post by ungas on Dec 8, 2005 5:08:23 GMT 8
tubulars are ok. its just that its so complicated and matrabaho when it gets flat. its ok if you have a back up car on your rides. thats why all pros are using tubulars. i also used them before. i cant really tell the difference. i have to give them up after a flat that almost made me walk from PICC to tramo
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Post by mountguitars on Dec 8, 2005 5:15:13 GMT 8
which is heavier= a tubed setup or a tubeless setup? which is faster?
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Post by jr on Dec 8, 2005 5:52:22 GMT 8
bros, I'm using tubulars eversince,i have nothing against it. But my roadie friends keep bugging me to shift to clinchers. Sayang naman yung wheelset....i want some opinions outside my circle...tell me more...thnx It depends to the rider. I have clincher on my road bike so far doesnt given me any problem. Here is the pros and cons between the two. Got it from the ethernet. Tubular wheels do not have an inner-tube and are glued on the rim to hold them in place. Clincher wheels use inner-tubes and stay secure due to the tire bead/rim relationship and air pressure. Most of us use clinchers. Each set has it's pros/cons. Tubulars are less prone to pinch flats, arguably have a more comfortable ride, and are lighter. However, they're more expensive, are more difficult to repair, and are bulkier (you have to carry an extra tire on you when you ride, as opposed to an inner-tube when you ride with clinchers). Clinchers are cheaper, offer a ton of choices, and are easier to repair. However, their heavier (I'm including the weight of the rim here) and more prone to pinch-flats. Clincher technology has advanced to the point where the advantages of tubular tires over clinchers has diminished considerably. Choose whichever tire fits your needs.
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Post by mountguitars on Dec 8, 2005 5:58:00 GMT 8
bros, I'm using tubulars eversince,i have nothing against it. But my roadie friends keep bugging me to shift to clinchers. Sayang naman yung wheelset....i want some opinions outside my circle...tell me more...thnx It depends to the rider. I have clincher on my road bike so far doesnt given me any problem. Here is the pros and cons between the two. Got it from the ethernet. Tubular wheels do not have an inner-tube and are glued on the rim to hold them in place. Clincher wheels use inner-tubes and stay secure due to the tire bead/rim relationship and air pressure. Most of us use clinchers. Each set has it's pros/cons. Tubulars are less prone to pinch flats, arguably have a more comfortable ride, and are lighter. However, they're more expensive, are more difficult to repair, and are bulkier (you have to carry an extra tire on you when you ride, as opposed to an inner-tube when you ride with clinchers). Clinchers are cheaper, offer a ton of choices, and are easier to repair. However, their heavier (I'm including the weight of the rim here) and more prone to pinch-flats. Clincher technology has advanced to the point where the advantages of tubular tires over clinchers has diminished considerably. Choose whichever tire fits your needs.does this mean that tubeless rims are lighter compared to tubed rims?
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Post by jr on Dec 8, 2005 6:18:47 GMT 8
It depends to the rider. I have clincher on my road bike so far doesnt given me any problem. Here is the pros and cons between the two. Got it from the ethernet. Tubular wheels do not have an inner-tube and are glued on the rim to hold them in place. Clincher wheels use inner-tubes and stay secure due to the tire bead/rim relationship and air pressure. Most of us use clinchers. Each set has it's pros/cons. Tubulars are less prone to pinch flats, arguably have a more comfortable ride, and are lighter. However, they're more expensive, are more difficult to repair, and are bulkier (you have to carry an extra tire on you when you ride, as opposed to an inner-tube when you ride with clinchers). Clinchers are cheaper, offer a ton of choices, and are easier to repair. However, their heavier (I'm including the weight of the rim here) and more prone to pinch-flats. Clincher technology has advanced to the point where the advantages of tubular tires over clinchers has diminished considerably. Choose whichever tire fits your needs.does this mean that tubeless rims are lighter compared to tubed rims? It depends. now were going back to pros and cons about how much money were going to spend. Remember that evey once less is denero . Some tubeless are lighter that tube. Look at crossmax sl or bontrager x lite tubeless rims. They are light but mucho denero.
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Post by jr on Dec 8, 2005 6:21:47 GMT 8
which is heavier= a tubed setup or a tubeless setup? which is faster? Mountguitars...you really a weight wennies ;D ;D. Road and MTB components are all fall on less weight more money.
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Post by allegra on Dec 8, 2005 9:31:14 GMT 8
If there;s nothing wrong w/ it , why change?
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Post by king on Dec 8, 2005 10:43:02 GMT 8
tubular road rims are lighter because they dont have the lip that a clincher tire's beads have to hang on to. generally tubular tires are also lighter then a clincher + tube because they dont have a bead- the tube is sewn into the casing. advantage of a tubular tire, aside from weight, is that you can pump them to a higher pressure (120-140psi), reducing the contact patch on the road, reducing friction, making the rider theoretically faster. downside is that when you flat, you have to replace the whole tire (assuming you carried one with you). another disadvantage is that on long descents when you brake a lot, its possible that the glue holding the tire can melt, and the whole thing can come off when cornering.
by the way, tubular tires and rims are different from tubeless tires and rims. tubeless tires still have a bead, and tubeless rims are generally heavier because they dont have spokeholes, nead a beefier lip to hold the tire, and need special nipples to hold the spokes. but then this may amount to an additinal 50-100g only, compared to say 150-250g for a xc-size mtb tube.
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Post by mountguitars on Dec 8, 2005 21:47:14 GMT 8
isn't it true that tubeless tires are much heavier and a bit expensive compared to tubed tires? and the only advantage of having a tubeless setup is that you will rarely get a flat compared to its tubed counterparts? please correct me if i'm wrong folks.
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Post by jr on Dec 8, 2005 22:14:13 GMT 8
isn't it true that tubeless tires are much heavier and a bit expensive compared to tubed tires? and the only advantage of having a tubeless setup is that you will rarely get a flat compared to its tubed counterparts? please correct me if i'm wrong folks. Yap you are right... but not only easy to get flat but also roll better specially with low air pressure (around 28 to 35 psi).
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Post by spartan23 on Dec 9, 2005 4:00:00 GMT 8
I assisted a friend who changed a tire on a tubular.....my goodness it was a pain in the butt ;D
I wouldnt change them if your already used to them.
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Post by king on Dec 9, 2005 9:14:00 GMT 8
isn't it true that tubeless tires are much heavier and a bit expensive compared to tubed tires? and the only advantage of having a tubeless setup is that you will rarely get a flat compared to its tubed counterparts? please correct me if i'm wrong folks. the tires themselves are heavier but they may be lighter or the same as a regular tire + tube set up. the risk of pinch flats may be less, but you can still get a flat from thorns, nails, glass, etc. unless you use a sealant. uh, this is supposed to be a thread about tubular road tires, not tubeless mtb tires...
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Post by yetiman on Dec 10, 2005 10:01:29 GMT 8
bros, King is right! thanks dude! My heart is into mt. biking but my itch is now into road bikes! I have used 2 sets of tubulars already. But since our road trips are going the distance,i'm paranoid regarding experiencing a flat on a tubular out of nowhere! I'm usually the sweeper of the group,so if that happens to me---sariling sikap! tapos laspag ka pa...... I you have any idea/technique to make the "works" easier, I'll appreciate it,thanks!
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Post by biciciclismo on Jan 4, 2006 8:11:57 GMT 8
Happy New Year to all!
Have you tried tire sealant such as Stans No Tubes? Also, try notubes.com. My co-worker who is an mtb rider swears by these products at notubes.com. He had an experienced where there were lots of thorns on his mtb bike that got sealed right away. Try it.
Erwin, belated happy b-day!
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Post by king on Jan 5, 2006 2:20:07 GMT 8
uy, binenbenta mo yung tubs mo? peer pressure! hehe
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Post by biciciclismo on Jan 5, 2006 7:40:10 GMT 8
sana nga may komisyon eh, pero wala brad-- just a guy who rides on a clincher, passing info from one cyclist to another.
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Post by yetiman on Jan 9, 2006 17:56:06 GMT 8
King, Yup,i experienced a flat going to the sierra madres one big sunday ride! Sa cogeo pa lang ,caused by the broken glasses around,buti na lang "abdul" was with us to take care of it! Ang bilis palitan,but he did not put glue and pumped it to 140psi. I did the cogeo/boso-boso/sierra madre/tanay/teresa ride without a spare tub! ;D I was dearly careful with cornering!(no glue!)and can't spend that much on food for a jeepney ride if a 2nd flat! I'm the only tub-user of the group and the trip was like a gang-rape by 7 arab guys!Wasted brad!
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