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Post by Rynolf on Apr 16, 2017 19:02:06 GMT 8
Hi there. I am a newbie in biking. I recently bought my bike and what bothers me is pedalling uphill. What would be the best gear combination or techniques when going uphill to alleviate and lessen the difficulty of pedalling?
Thank You
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Post by anthrax76 on Apr 16, 2017 19:44:13 GMT 8
i'm a bad climber, i actually don't like it but i have to do it one way or another. in pedalling, here are 2 types of pedalling: mashing and spinning. your physiology will dictate what type of pedaller are you, similar to marathoners and sprinters. but you can train on both and see what fits your style.
mashers use heavy gears, and low rpm. but for every pedal stroke, you'll have a longer travel. spinners use light gears, this on the other hand is easier on the drivetrain, 90 to 110 rpm is the norm.
thing is, no matter the gear, a climb is a climb, you'll just have to get stronger.
what you can do is find a a hill or a climb wher eyou can play around with your gear and check which gear are you comfortable with. then find a steeper or longer climb, re-adjust your gear.
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Post by Rynolf on Apr 16, 2017 20:29:09 GMT 8
Thanks for the quick reply I need to experiment more on readjusting gears then. Climbing is really a struggle though i find it easier to climb if I already have momentum before the climb.
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Post by anthrax76 on Apr 16, 2017 23:05:18 GMT 8
you have to learn to climb with or without momentum. especially on long climbs where you'll stop and rest for a while. another way to do it is to dance on the pedals, a standing climb.
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Post by konablack on Apr 17, 2017 7:31:26 GMT 8
for me, mashers are good for short uphill climbs while spinning is ideal for longer uphill climbs i just recently learned how to climb efficiently with the help of seasoned riders their initial tip would be is to choose an ideal gear ratio (this would depend on how steep the hill is) and maintain a cadence or rhythm that would sustain your momentum when climbing. Also, learn how to breathe properly. another tip would be using clipless pedals or an oval chainring but let's discuss it later
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Post by spyghost on Apr 17, 2017 8:15:56 GMT 8
Hi there. I am a newbie in biking. I recently bought my bike and what bothers me is pedalling uphill. What would be the best gear combination or techniques when going uphill to alleviate and lessen the difficulty of pedalling? Thank You reality is, uphills never get easier - the same climb becomes harder as you progress and reach your plateau "unless" you don't push yourself. if it felt easier, check again (more to this below), there's something wrong in what you just did. like what others have said, gear selection plays a major role, which only you can determine by experimenting. maintain chain tension as you move, once you slacken, the next stroke becomes harder. a lot of people say that pedaling power comes from the legs, which i'm afraid i have to disagree. the power should come from your core. your legs only drive the pedals. a weak core with strong legs won't get you far, rather high enough. as much as possible, don't mindlessly just stomp on the pedals - your just wasting energy and may only injure yourself in the long run. when pedaling use your a$$ instead of your quads. if you can squeeze your bu++ cheeks while off the bike, replicate this feel when pedaling. it takes a lot of mind work to do this and getting used to, but i guarantee you, you'll never pedal the same way again. try to extend your power stroke (ie push) way before 12:00 pedal position and way past 6:00 pedal position. like i said, don't mindlessly 'just pedal.' also you should have a means of objectively measuring your effort. cheapest and most accessible is your smartphone. i personally use strava. i'm not a strava chaser but modesty aside, if i put my mind to work while pedaling, i can easily get a new PR, which I have proven myself in the past climbs I did. believe me, from a rider's perspective the mindwork involved in pedaling would seem off, more stressful and slower compared to just bringing it down, but in the end, the objective measure (time to finish a segment) proves it incorrect. in addition you get to save more energy for more trail grunt. and as you progress your climbing, you'll notice something similar to this... the thing about high rpm cadence (low gear, ie spin) and low rpm cadence (hard gear, ie mash) is that both will bring the rider up where he/she wants to be with varying efforts. one may find spinning easier over mashing and vice versa, while others can move to either ends of the spectrum. imo, a rider should be able to perform both at his/her disposal anytime specially when dealing with offroad climibing situations. through practice, one is able to ride a particular gear at a given cadence, until it becomes the 'norm,' to the point that it becomes your 'default' gear for a particular incline. in a 'mindless pedaling' scnenario, this situation sets the situation where one is unable to develop his/her skill to climb using varying combinations of gear and cadence. once you become efficient at a particular combination, try lowering a gear or 2 or raising up a gear or 2 and vary your cadence accordingly - now that is learning how to climb! where are you from? do you have any uphills near your place? that's where you should begin and always go. at kahit sawang sawa ka na sa itsura nung ruta at uphill, e gawin mo parin. session it - climb, go down, climb, go down (ie intervals). it feels stup!d and painful, but it works wonders. in other words (fitness, endurance, strength aside), it's exposure to the same feeling of pain and stress that will bring your further (ie higher). also, don't consider the length of your ride as the basis for it to be considered a 'good ride.' no matter how short your ride is, it's the quality that you put on it counts. before i forget, unless cycling is your career, sleep, rest, eat, play with your kid/s (if you have), date your partner (if you have). in other words, carry on with your life. give yourself justice as well
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Post by niko on Apr 17, 2017 11:17:21 GMT 8
Thanks for the quick reply I need to experiment more on readjusting gears then. Climbing is really a struggle though i find it easier to climb if I already have momentum before the climb.
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Post by icemann77 on Apr 17, 2017 13:34:27 GMT 8
As for me, i love climbing hills more than speeding downhill after the climb. from my experience before approaching the first incline/uphill, select your granny/smallest ring in front. and then just adjust your rear cogs(from smallest to largest). then just maintain your spin. once you feel you have the stamina, you can then use your mid ring and same approach at your rear cogs, select a more comfortable gear. just keep on practicing so that your body will adapt. and also proper breathing will be a great help.
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Post by Rynolf on Apr 17, 2017 19:34:51 GMT 8
Wow so many tips thank you guys
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Post by konablack on Apr 18, 2017 8:36:31 GMT 8
If you're near UP Diliman, try the heartbreak hill
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Post by simplej0ys on Apr 18, 2017 8:57:34 GMT 8
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Post by konablack on Apr 18, 2017 9:03:56 GMT 8
It's at Juan luna street
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Post by simplej0ys on Apr 18, 2017 9:19:15 GMT 8
ayun! haha.. di ko agad nakita post mo. kaya lang walang info about elevation eh. sa tingin mo gaano ka steep? tinitignan ko kung kasing steep din nito: wellington street
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Post by konablack on Apr 18, 2017 9:55:27 GMT 8
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Post by anthrax76 on Apr 18, 2017 11:40:56 GMT 8
sarap yan, heartbreak hill. downhill ka muna, tapos stop at the bottom, tapos akyat ka na. going west is the less steep but longer. going east is shorter but steeper.
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Post by icemann77 on Apr 18, 2017 11:48:27 GMT 8
wow meron palang ahon sa UP. ma try nga minsan pag mag ride kami dun. sa mga taga marikina try nyo rin uphill going to Grotto/Our Lady of Mediatrix Shrine. or yung kabilang side Monterey Hills, this is also a back door going to Timberland via AFP housing. just make sure to bring lots of leg power and lungs hehe. This one going up monterey hills. www.google.co.id/maps/@14.6525381,121.1384731,3a,48.9y,117.15h,80.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sogf9LIETyWr8YPjzuzWJyQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1?hl=en
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Post by simplej0ys on Apr 18, 2017 12:12:04 GMT 8
leg power = check lungs =
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Post by icemann77 on Apr 18, 2017 12:20:33 GMT 8
@simplejoys, ok lang huminto sa ahon. wag lang mag tulak bawas pogi points natin. hehe
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Post by simplej0ys on Apr 18, 2017 12:35:16 GMT 8
hehehe... solo ride lang naman ako palagi. kaya pwede ako magtulak kasi walang 'witness'. kung meron akong maramdaman na paparating na biker o tao, nagpapanggap lang ako na 'nagpapahinga' and/or 'admiring the view'.
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Post by konablack on Apr 18, 2017 13:39:10 GMT 8
wow meron palang ahon sa UP. ma try nga minsan pag mag ride kami dun. sa mga taga marikina try nyo rin uphill going to Grotto/Our Lady of Mediatrix Shrine. or yung kabilang side Monterey Hills, this is also a back door going to Timberland via AFP housing. just make sure to bring lots of leg power and lungs hehe. This one going up monterey hills. www.google.co.id/maps/@14.6525381,121.1384731,3a,48.9y,117.15h,80.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sogf9LIETyWr8YPjzuzWJyQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1?hl=en Wow, mukhang unli ahon. Mala shotgun ata 'to ah
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Post by spyghost on Apr 18, 2017 14:08:38 GMT 8
wow meron palang ahon sa UP. ma try nga minsan pag mag ride kami dun. sa mga taga marikina try nyo rin uphill going to Grotto/Our Lady of Mediatrix Shrine. or yung kabilang side Monterey Hills, this is also a back door going to Timberland via AFP housing. just make sure to bring lots of leg power and lungs hehe. This one going up monterey hills. www.google.co.id/maps/@14.6525381,121.1384731,3a,48.9y,117.15h,80.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sogf9LIETyWr8YPjzuzWJyQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1?hl=en Wow, mukhang unli ahon. Mala shotgun ata 'to ah this is my route whenever i just want to go to Basekamp or just do a climbing sesh: 1 - it's nearer my place compared to traversing wall1-2-3 2 - this route has less vehicles, joggers, and bikers at the expense of a few mutts 3 - you get the chance to pass by the freaking offroad afp climb to pestano it's just a bit steeper than wall1-2-3, but benefit is you can use momentum to aid and relieve a few pedal strokes. the difference between shotgun and monterey is that monterey has lots of flat'sh sections where you can slow down and recover quickly, unlike shotgun where there's limited recovery sections. this route also has the option of going to mediatrix, which is another short steep semi off-road climb. leg power, not really, but lungs and heart, definitely yes because the climbs here are sudden, the effect of which is abrupt heart rate changes. could be just me though since i was asthmatic when i was a kid. i'll leave out a few meters of wtf/wth climbs for you do discover heads up, you can't get in to timberland trails via this route as the guard there won't allow entry if you didn't get out via the basic trail. they use a very sophisticated method of identifying riders who come out of the basic trail
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Post by konablack on Apr 18, 2017 14:34:47 GMT 8
haha i think i know what that sophisticated method is Thanks for the additional info sphyghost , now i have other alternatives other than walls 1, 2, and 3
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Post by spyghost on Apr 18, 2017 15:26:09 GMT 8
haha i think i know what that sophisticated method is Thanks for the additional info sphyghost , now i have other alternatives other than walls 1, 2, and 3 konablack taga marikina ka sir?
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Post by konablack on Apr 18, 2017 15:42:43 GMT 8
No Sir, Manila area po I wish I could be near those areas but I seem to be having a hard time pedalling from manila to san mateo.
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Post by icemann77 on Apr 19, 2017 9:29:39 GMT 8
Sino ba sa inyo madalas dun? baka nagkita na tayo sa monterey. normally sunday ng umaga ako umaahon dun.
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Post by spyghost on Apr 19, 2017 12:20:34 GMT 8
Sino ba sa inyo madalas dun? baka nagkita na tayo sa monterey. normally sunday ng umaga ako umaahon dun. ako sir. so far ako lang ata naka ff na umaakyat dun... hehe usually hintuan/pahingahan/tambayan dun is ung tuktok na me tindahan sa kanto na sarado - yung pinaka steep na portion. wala kasing pangalan mag st nito sa google maps. ang siste ko kasi kumakanan nako sa 2nd to the last na kanto para ang labas ko miguel st ulit - ganun din me harang ang kanto kaya bitbit bike ng bahagya. pinaka less hassle ahunan ang miguel pero daanan lang kasi ng mga sasakyan.
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Post by icemann77 on Apr 19, 2017 16:47:26 GMT 8
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Post by spyghost on Apr 19, 2017 17:04:26 GMT 8
ah, yung unang pic yung likuan after ng guard house yung 2nd pic yan yung sinasabi ko na tambayan na me tindahan sa kanto
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Post by anthrax76 on Apr 19, 2017 17:19:20 GMT 8
paglaki ko sana maka akyat din ako dyan. shotgun to roxas to basic na yata ang pinakamahaba kong akyat (yes ganun na katagal nung umahon ako ng shotgun.
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Post by icemann77 on Apr 19, 2017 17:45:46 GMT 8
spyghost , sana mag pang abot tayo one of these days dyan. hehe
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