The main reason why one cannot maintain a stable or near stable position is that the rider 'should' let go of the lead foot and put pressure on the back foot so that the pawls can disengage and allow the bike can move backward (regardless if it's via gravity driven or induced by the backward momentum from releasing the brakes and pulling). In other words, perform a slight 'back pedal'
It took my feeble mind a while before figuring out why i keep losing my balance. I noticed this movement when tuning my RD - the wheel won't turn backward when there is chain tension. This is how the freewheel works (duh).
but yeah, if you're beginning, a slight incline helps. the procedure your following is based on a track bike which is a fixie, hence back pedalling can be done. but with a freewheel you'd most likely move forward than back unless you're on an incline.
we're pretty much in the same boat, i can't hold the bike still for a long time, something has to move. it can be the handlebar changing directions, a little forward movement, a little backward rock. thing is, as long as you can pretty much stay in the same place, i think it's all good.
It also helps if you could lower your saddle and use a wider handlebar. Try reading some of the old threads in the Trials and Urban Assault section
Have fun learning!
i find the 125 drop of my saddle just enough for performing these moves, but i do like the saddle completely out of the way of course as it offers more freedom of movement
my 750mm handlebar mated with a 40mm stem is just enough for me; however, i do find its 20mm rise a bit on the low side when performing slow trial movements - i can compensate though. i'm thinking of swapping it out with a 30mm riser and/or an even shorter stem (35mm). as in all cases, there always has to be a compromise.
just sharing an update on my progression... i was able to do a series of momentary trackstands on flat offroad surface.
in my case, common mistakes are: - cranks not level to the ground or front cranks almost sloping vertically forward - not standing tall - not looking far - not modulating front brake
thing is one has to apply fr brakes every so often specially when applying rearward force. when applying rearward force, timing between modulated fr brake and slight back pedal is crucial to simulate a fixie back pedal.
a feeling of fr wheel pivot means your too far forward. you should aim for the reaching just the fine line before reaching this sensation and the zen feeling of rear balance.
it's tough to explain but practice it. you'll know what i'm talking about when you've logged enough hours.
looking forward makes one focus on chain tension which is what you should aim for. forward crank movement and backward momentum (fr brake and hip movement) will provide the tension all throughout. the moment you lose chain tension, you'll lose balance.
relax... a tense muscular system will remove the state of balance.
How long does it have to be to qualify as a trackstand?
good question... but idk
i think as long as one can stay relatively stationary, it's ok (ie moving back n forth for starters, and not going circles)
as time goes by, the back and forth movements become minimal and barely noticeable. in other words, someone trackstanding isn't really stationary perse but doing invisible minute corrections every so often
at this moment i'm still stuck with the timing of back pedal and backward movement even on inclines - not gifted with good proprioception. i always tend to over/under compensate (for the lack of a better term) and seem to have a problem hitting the middle ground
stealthwanderer: Ayan yung matagal ko na gusto itanong: 1 Hour ride, mabasa ng ulan o' mabasa ng pawis sa loob ng kapote. Baka kasi ako lang nageenjoy sa ulan kasi may paliguan pagdating sa trabaho, hahah.
Aug 9, 2019 11:35:30 GMT 8
anthrax76: sa ngayon, mag jacket lang ako kapag umuulan at mahangin. kasi masakit sa balat ang matulin na ulan tsaka malakas makababa ng core temperature ang wind chill.
Aug 10, 2019 22:17:32 GMT 8
anthrax76: pero kung normal na ulan, 'di naman mahangin, hanggang mabasa na lang ako ng ulan okey lang. although i minimize kung gano katagal ako exposed. anything more than an hour, medyo delikado.
Aug 10, 2019 22:21:04 GMT 8
konablack: gamit ko two-piece raincoat, dehins lang sya ideal kung may backpack ka
Aug 13, 2019 7:39:14 GMT 8
oniechan: altered poncho..dahil ng backpack..bawas ng haba sa likod at sa side..mas malamig compared sa 2-pc na raincoat....
Aug 13, 2019 11:27:45 GMT 8
anthrax76: yung poncho, ginagamit ko lang sa climb or kapag naglalakad. feeling ko saranggola ako kapag naka bike eh, ha ha.
Aug 15, 2019 23:44:25 GMT 8
anthrax76: ang weird kagabi, padyak ako pero kahit may headwind at crosswind, swabe lang. parang tailwind yung pakiramdam.
Aug 24, 2019 4:32:23 GMT 8
lefty: Na experience nyo na sir yung pagbaba mo ng mabilis sa tulay biglang may malakas na crosswind tapos umangat yung front wheel? Nangyari na sa kin once pagbaba ko ng Southpeak. Mga March yun last year, mahangin talaga around that time last year.
Aug 24, 2019 8:50:45 GMT 8
lefty: Umangat ng konti na parang tinulak ng konti pa-side. Buti na control ko at di ako sumemplang. Nangyayari ba talaga ito normally? First time ko naka-experience nun.
Aug 24, 2019 8:56:30 GMT 8
anthrax76: hmm...never pa naman umangat yung harap na gulong ko. i get pushed downwind pero never pa umangat.
Aug 24, 2019 21:10:36 GMT 8
corollafreak: wassup!!! long time no hear dito =D
Aug 27, 2019 15:06:23 GMT 8
stealthwanderer: Hello! Meron bang pumapasok around Greenhills? If so, saan kayo nagpapark ng bike?
Aug 27, 2019 17:54:27 GMT 8
anthrax76: @cf!!! uy kumusta na?
Aug 28, 2019 0:01:25 GMT 8
anthrax76: stealthwanderer, dati may parking ang bikes dun from firefly brigade, sa parking sa harap. pero ginawa na yata yun so dehins ko alam kung saan nalipat. try ko magtanong minsan kapag napasyal ako.
Aug 28, 2019 0:02:48 GMT 8
konablack: wala na yung parking spot ng firefly brigade doon
Sept 4, 2019 9:26:36 GMT 8