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Post by king on Jan 8, 2008 9:21:04 GMT 8
hi enzo. yup some heavy testing for that cassette is in order. i'm personally a bit dubious about the everyday use claim. i doubt wear and tear will be covered by the warranty. you can hard anodize aluminum all you want, but it's still softer then the steel chain that will rubbing against it contantly. it's probably only covered for workmanship, construction and materials, meaning it won't fall apart or break. cog wear is probably another matter though. can't argue about the weight though. and it sure looks nice. great machine work!
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Post by king on Jan 8, 2008 18:43:19 GMT 8
saw one of them put on my friend's bike today at All Terra. sweet. 150g for the 11-32 according to the fattire digital scale , a full 101g lighter then his xtr cassette on the same scale.
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Post by glockbiker on Jan 9, 2008 10:28:29 GMT 8
@king
Wow! it even looks more impressive from the back. Intricate wavy arms. A real piece of CNC art.
Drool, drool, drool!
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Post by enzo on Jan 17, 2008 14:57:25 GMT 8
For Meyrick's pleasure @ Jessiecruz, Looks fast and light even on a stand. ;D ;D Comments later,
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Post by Taba® on Jan 17, 2008 16:57:38 GMT 8
Enzo,
You're killing us with envy...that cassette works better with KMC gold chains...
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Post by enzo on Jan 17, 2008 17:04:33 GMT 8
Enzo, You're killing us with envy...that cassette works better with KMC gold chains... Ok! I will get one right away I was planning to replace the last 4 alum cogs with the old XTR06, they are all titanium. But needs to do some grinding or machining on the Xtr's to mate with this KCNC. kasi, XTR06 are riveted, 5 and the last 4 ti cogs are together. But no worries, I can buy the clusters seperately, be it the alum, scandium or titanium. BTW, Im not too keen on the gold chain, Im half Arab now and we dont like yellow gold, more on white gold. You didnt notice my "chains"? But wll still get it for your viewing pleasure.
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Post by yukon on Jan 17, 2008 19:01:31 GMT 8
Edgar
My eyes are hurting!!! Wohohooooo...ok now I got the answer to my question I PMed you (no gold for you brad) you're as rich as the sheik. Sinfully light bike you have there...DT swiss hubs, KCNC cogs (paid advertisment ;D). You have to remove your chain protector coz it looks good on my bke ;D plus you shave off few grams. Nice wheelset padre!!! Jessie, dont worry yours will be there soon. Lets see your Scott go on a diet ;D
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Post by enzo on Jan 17, 2008 21:53:05 GMT 8
;D ;D ;D Just wait till you hear my review I installed the protector thinking it will be muddy at the east coast, It's been raining here and you know how notorious I ride in the mud and water. Sheik? Rich? I wish ;D But harem consist of lot's of wives or partners ;D which I dont have Please refrain from posting OT comments Protector? I have an extra Why you didnt tell me you need one.
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Post by clutchshooter on Jan 18, 2008 6:53:18 GMT 8
this is offensive to those who bought their KCNC cassettes. i agree with you Jan. I only saw few pages but couldnt get what must have happened to stir such childish behavior so I went back through this entire 2 page thread tryin figurin out what really sparked it. Before lobbying it hard and bringing it up into the open, here's the unforeseen truth about alloy cogs. He might have a point my friend. what u think? ;D ;D ;D Just wait till you hear my review Enzo we await your review. 4 sure you shall keep us all tuned in. Wish you d best w/ ur undertakings. cant wait for June to come as what Oni said abwt his projek. oNly curious why he didnt get any bashing (referring to the link, unforeseen truth). Came to me like his intention was never to scare prospect buyers he bought stuff from JC to test them. Good thing this thread didnt devolved into something worst. Letz do away w/ fanboy's syndrome. Peace! Disclaimer: am not choosing sides. eck, am no weight-weenie. itz best if we could hear the other side of things thats wher product testing importantly comz in. Take it away Enzo!!!
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Post by Onie on Jan 18, 2008 11:04:07 GMT 8
Oh, the unforeseen truth! Not my own doing here though no matter Lifting an opinion from another forum is most welcome, but it could have been copied in its entirety so as to give readers a better handle on things. how much JC instigated me of doing it so. I'm sorry, guys. But not now. Might pass this one for now. Something came up! My wife's teasing me to get... UP notebook. Knowing myself, hahah! Tough choice, indeed! I'd be a li'l overdraft when it comes to these two! Anyhow, lead the way, Enzo! Let's us see, what it's going to be! I want one. It's a mac!
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Post by king on Jan 18, 2008 11:11:50 GMT 8
some real world feedback: friend of mine put his trusty xtr cassette back on. he said he was having shifting problems along the middle cogs compared to XTR. shifting was not as instantaneous and sometimes the chain would skip or not catch. shop mech had a hell of a time tuning it too, to no avail.
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Post by enzo on Jan 19, 2008 15:48:41 GMT 8
Sorry guys for the delay in posting, been really busy doing nothing with our freak weather here. I did 54kms on a trail and road ride with this thing so longevity issue is not yet covered here. I notice the delay in the middle ranges of the cassette specially the 5th and 6th, you may have to push the shifters longer than usual, sometimes double click it and release. Half an inch more of push on my triggers to get that positive engaged feel and sound. My initial mistake was not adjusting the tension of the chain to soft or low, lessening the tension put the upper jockey wheel directly or nearer to the cogs underneath, not pushed outer and lower. Sprints, trail, uphills, bedrocks, road jamming. No problem! Lubed it liberally at first and muted the sound a little bit. I would suggest using Dry lube. and not that dripping oil everywhere application. we need the lube in betwen the chain not everywhere. It even shifted smoothly when I lessen that stupidly applied outrageous amount of lube. My bad. You need to check your chain lenght coz I found out after lessening the tensioner that my chain was longer 1 pair of links. This made the shifting and the "catch" faster or efficient. After proper chain tension adjustment, all shiftings seems to respond smoothly and I even exaggerated the "thumb sliding from the triggers" shift. But this dont normally happen to triggers with the highly evolved trigger levers we have now in the market, be it SRAM or Shimano. Plating is still on and Im not bothered if it will go in km1 or km 1000. Looks just like shimano on your fist ride where the lube mixed with dirt made it bling dirty. All teeth are still the same and no sharp edges yet except for one with the alloy color exposed already. More like deep scratch from misshift or a stone stuck in between. My verdict is, If you are a slaphappy, doesnt give a d@mn kind of rider, this casstte is not for you. If you are a smooth rider who knows how to shift at the right time, not putting lots of load during shifts, or pressure then this is for you. But isnt this how we should shift anyway. Overall, Im happy with the result and shifting coz it broke the 11kg barrier of my bike And shifts better than the Effeti's. Eliciting looks from the guys and the joy of taking my wheels off just to let them feel the weight. The colors are so loud It's like somebody saying "Im Pimped" Those who didn see it, took second glance during the ride upon hearing that distinctive "BLING" sound from the expensive metal to metal contact. Those who rides XTR knows and those who rides KCNC knows too! a tad expensive sound.
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Post by enzo on Jan 19, 2008 15:54:30 GMT 8
some real world feedback: friend of mine put his trusty xtr cassette back on. he said he was having shifting problems along the middle cogs compared to XTR. shifting was not as instantaneous and sometimes the chain would skip or not catch. shop mech had a hell of a time tuning it too, to no avail. King, Im not questioning mechanics here, but it's shifting properly on my SRAM set-up. In fact you got me moving my butt and played with it as of this writing to check it again. I will transfer it to my Shimano set-up and look further.
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Post by enzo on Jan 19, 2008 16:27:37 GMT 8
Works well with my shimano low normal set-up too! The chain tensioner of the RD is even in the middle.
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Post by yukon on Jan 19, 2008 16:58:24 GMT 8
hmmmm nice review there fafi. Sayang wasnt able to test it here Lemme buy one ;D
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Post by enzo on Jan 19, 2008 17:02:05 GMT 8
You have seen my real world cycling. ;D
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Post by Jan Atienza on Jan 19, 2008 22:43:26 GMT 8
Just got back. I thought this thread was already under regular programming? @clutchshooter Onie and I have already discussed the old issue. We are in agreement (I think so). Believing in the power of the written word and its multiplier effects, I only made it clear to him that product advisories are appropriate if there was an actual usage of the item here in our country (or sourced from this country but used elsewhere)....considering that I guarantee the product based on the guidelines set by the manufacturer, i.e. proper installation (chainline), use (no extreme shifting), and maintenance (clean and lube the drivetrain before every ride). I never took personal offense on his statement, just on the effects of his statement on other readers which is one too many>>>> i don't see any wrong with that since if theirs for show only! lol! I found this offensive and appropriately issued a diplomatic (IMO)and succinct comment. To not make a stand is a disservice to my clients. Can you imagine (at least those who are satisfied pa them all joining in the fray? In the first place, Onie's comment was based on this thread which I found a bit biased since the reviewer was also selling his own brand of cassette, moreso the fact that I am not privvy to where the Americans source their cogs nor what product generation they were referring to>>>> forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?p=3940331Further, How can anyone discount the durability of aluminium cogs when one hasn't even tried it? I think this is a reasonable enough position. Heck, even Tune and Chris King make alum chain rings and SS cogs. Bead blasted pa. Furthermore, I do not recall hard selling the cassettes, I just announced the availability of such. I am personally acquainted with most of those who bought the cassettes, all I ask is to use them for their intended application and I will take care of the rest. Lastly, your arbiter skills are laudable. But the use of open ended words such as CHILDISH, LOBBYING, FANBOY'S SYNDROME implies that you already made a judgment. May I ask to whom were you referring to?
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Post by enzo on Jan 20, 2008 2:15:37 GMT 8
i don't see any wrong with that since if theirs for show only! lol! this is offensive to those who bought their KCNC cassettes. I have that kneejerk reaction upon reading this post. Thinking that you are referring to a certain group or people who buy just for the weight of it or lightness that is. I waited a few days to digest it. But Im not one of them, we are not one of them. But hold on, you're giving stigma to us buyers of such products. I bought this product because I need it for my project. I want my bike to be lighter so I bought it. The need and want thing was covered so I end up happy with my purchase. How many of us here upgraded their bikes just for the heck of it? I want to quote Gadgets about his oakley thing in the Alivio legs, XTR bike. But cant find the thread, it goes something like, "Just because we have xtr on our bikes doesnt mean we cannot climb Maarat", or something like that. And why some guys buys so many Oakleys. or much nearer, why our wives buys so many shoes and bags.
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Post by raimun on Jan 23, 2008 13:21:40 GMT 8
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Post by enzo on Jan 23, 2008 13:35:39 GMT 8
Raimun, brad, sell your rotor before it looks dirty and old, get those nice windcutters, light, not prone to warping and bling shape. But of course, you have that in mind already, or maybe even a better one than the windcutters. BTW, nice set-up you have there. I wish I can afford that Tune hubs. I have to save,save, save. ;D
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Post by raimun on Jan 23, 2008 13:43:24 GMT 8
the rotors are just temp for now. don't worry, we'll replace it with gold maguras hehehe... my dad's ill with hepa right now.
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Post by jcguray on Apr 18, 2008 9:10:50 GMT 8
one silly question sir,the four big cogs can also be replace by a shimano cogs,if i ever replace that from my existing four titanium big cogs of shimano xtr?will it be fit to this kcnc cogset?
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