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2008 XT
Jul 26, 2007 17:03:22 GMT 8
Post by enzo on Jul 26, 2007 17:03:22 GMT 8
Notice that the XT '08 cranks still have the pinch bolt fastening system for the left crankarm. I was hoping that the lockring system from current XTR crankset would have trickled down to the XT '08 crankset. dehins pa rin pala. I guess we won't see that until XT 2010 comes along. I think the XTR lockring system is a cleaner solution to the problem of fastening the left crankarm to the crank spindle. However, I have not yet come across reviews that would confirm if the XTR system is more reliable or stronger than the pinch bolt system. Has anyone started a discussion about the pros & cons of the two systems at Pinoy MTBiker? brad, How did I miss that? Yup! that two pinch bolt is not, as strong and reliable as the new one's or even at par with the other brands. I've read a few of them breaking or snapping. It was a really cool change on the 07 XTR crankset.
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Post by edge808 on Jul 27, 2007 0:53:49 GMT 8
Think it might be a torque issue. So far, I've not felt anything with my hones.
You notice that there are really some functions being left exclusively to the xtr gruppo... odd.
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Post by yukon on Jul 27, 2007 6:05:08 GMT 8
according to some sources, 35K for the groupset. its gonna be all out soon XT = 35; XTR 4X,XXX.00 very confusing figures. ;D
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2008 XT
Jul 27, 2007 10:23:53 GMT 8
Post by warlock^_^ on Jul 27, 2007 10:23:53 GMT 8
You notice that there are really some functions being left exclusively to the xtr gruppo... odd. That's why we're paying highly for those differences if we buy the XTR.
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2008 XT
Jul 27, 2007 13:19:57 GMT 8
Post by edge808 on Jul 27, 2007 13:19:57 GMT 8
But we're actually pretty lucky here in the PH. The prices of Shimano stuff in the states are crazy...
Anyway, can't wait to get my hands on the new XT shifters! Instant release! YEah! Sram quick shifting hehehe
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2008 XT
Jul 28, 2007 17:17:31 GMT 8
Post by coilerblue on Jul 28, 2007 17:17:31 GMT 8
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Post by warlock^_^ on Jul 30, 2007 6:38:37 GMT 8
its cheaper now...2 yrs ago a gruppo of xtr cost +-70k That's the time I was building my bike , since I used SRAM on most of my drivetrains, other than that its not blackbox it still the same SRAM ;D
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Post by coilerblue on Jul 30, 2007 7:41:16 GMT 8
Introducing the Shimano Shadow Rear Derailleur Like the latest XTR, options are the emphasis of the new Deore XT. The debut of the Shimano Shadow RD yields a third rear derailleur option, joining the Top-Normal and Low-Normal versions. A Shadow RD places priority on a low profile design and less body movement for those enthusiasts that are most at home on extreme technical trails. RD-M772 – XT's Shimano Shadow RD • Top normal spring design to mesh with the more common choice of RapidFire shifters for trail / all-mountain riding • In high gear, the derailleur has a profile that is a full 15mm less than a traditional rear derailleur. That means it barely protrudes more than the quick release skewer nut. • Direct cable routing reduces the chance of the cable snagging on roots and rocks. • Stronger spring keeps the derailleur body more stable in rough terrain. • Redesigned bracket axle keeps the derailleur body from contacting the chainstay. • Available in medium and long cage • 235g
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Post by g.b.b on Jul 30, 2007 7:50:21 GMT 8
soon.... you'll be mine......... in my dreams
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Post by coilerblue on Jul 30, 2007 9:22:19 GMT 8
shimano xt shadow rd is a must have rd...yeah upgraiditis is hitting me again.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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2008 XT
Jul 30, 2007 15:50:42 GMT 8
Post by Ka Verong on Jul 30, 2007 15:50:42 GMT 8
I made a similar comment about that pinch bolt almost a year ago... I was fried to the ground by shimano fanatics, I hope this would be some kind of eye opener... Notice that the XT '08 cranks still have the pinch bolt fastening system for the left crankarm. I was hoping that the lockring system from current XTR crankset would have trickled down to the XT '08 crankset. dehins pa rin pala. I guess we won't see that until XT 2010 comes along. I think the XTR lockring system is a cleaner solution to the problem of fastening the left crankarm to the crank spindle. However, I have not yet come across reviews that would confirm if the XTR system is more reliable or stronger than the pinch bolt system. Has anyone started a discussion about the pros & cons of the two systems at Pinoy MTBiker? brad, How did I miss that? Yup! that two pinch bolt is not, as strong and reliable as the new one's or even at par with the other brands. I've read a few of them breaking or snapping. It was a really cool change on the 07 XTR crankset.
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Post by coilerblue on Jul 31, 2007 9:34:54 GMT 8
I made a similar comment about that pinch bolt almost a year ago... I was fried to the ground by shimano fanatics, I hope this would be some kind of eye opener... brad, How did I miss that? Yup! that two pinch bolt is not, as strong and reliable as the new one's or even at par with the other brands. I've read a few of them breaking or snapping. It was a really cool change on the 07 XTR crankset. we'll be frying you to ground soon...hehehe joke lang ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by coilerblue on Jul 31, 2007 9:37:09 GMT 8
this country is infested with shimano users, i'm one of them... ;D ;D ;D
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2008 XT
Jul 31, 2007 17:24:41 GMT 8
Post by coilerblue on Jul 31, 2007 17:24:41 GMT 8
no offence ka verong but have you tried an xtr cranks lately...did you actually wrecked one...did shimano ordered to recall their cranks... there are many who have and love shimano in this country compared to xo's because of their reasonable price... ...i dont know you personally...for sure im not as rich as you are thats why you cannot expect me to afford your sram's even if i can...sayang fearah...hehehehe
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2008 XT
Jul 31, 2007 17:59:25 GMT 8
Post by Ben Dover on Jul 31, 2007 17:59:25 GMT 8
okay gentlemen...sir verong, sir coilerblue, choose your weapons...shimano or sram?...let the muntinlupa 24hr race course be the venue.
duelling rules shall be the following:
1. both will carry no tools except those necessary for changing tires. 2. no lubing nor cleaning of bike or any of its components during duration of the entire race. 3. extra point per lap shall be earned by the gentleman who will garner the most laps. 4. a panel of judges will be appointed to test the bikes after the race to determine if the parts are still working properly. 5. the gruppo thats determined to be in better condition after race plus the points shall be declared the winner.
are you ready?...are you ready?...lets get in on!!!
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2008 XT
Jul 31, 2007 18:07:48 GMT 8
Post by Ben Dover on Jul 31, 2007 18:07:48 GMT 8
ok dont mind me guys...i was born an a-hole...hehehe! ;D relax and peace to everyone.
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2008 XT
Jul 31, 2007 19:45:44 GMT 8
Post by Superbad on Jul 31, 2007 19:45:44 GMT 8
okay gentlemen...sir verong, sir coilerblue, choose your weapons...shimano or sram?...let the muntinlupa 24hr race course be the venue. duelling rules shall be the following: 1. both will carry no tools except those necessary for changing tires. 2. no lubing nor cleaning of bike or any of its components during duration of the entire race. 3. extra point per lap shall be earned by the gentleman who will garner the most laps. 4. a panel of judges will be appointed to test the bikes after the race to determine if the parts are still working properly. 5. the gruppo thats determined to be in better condition after race plus the points shall be declared the winner. are you ready?...are you ready?...lets get in on!!! I'd watch this!
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2008 XT
Jul 31, 2007 21:55:49 GMT 8
Post by Dragunov on Jul 31, 2007 21:55:49 GMT 8
Go ka verong! go coilerblue!, whoever wins will get a freebie from me!!! if ka verong wins, i'll give him a Shimano shirt and if coilerblue wins then i'll give him an SRAM shirt ;D ;D ;D BTW, i dont like the looks of the08 xt crankset, no visual impact, but the shadow rd looks promising!
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Post by coilerblue on Aug 1, 2007 7:47:24 GMT 8
Go ka verong! go coilerblue!, whoever wins will get a freebie from me!!! if ka verong wins, i'll give him a Shimano shirt and if coilerblue wins then i'll give him an SRAM shirt ;D ;D ;D BTW, i dont like the looks of the08 xt crankset, no visual impact, but the shadow rd looks promising! hehehe i like the sram tshirt...if i win can i take it, talaga... cool... ;D ;D ;D ok dont mind me guys...i was born an a-hole...hehehe! ;D relax and peace to everyone. me too im myself is a stuburn a hole sometimes...i did take my valiums today so im relax already hehehe...peace to everyone.... ;D ;D ;D okay gentlemen...sir verong, sir coilerblue, choose your weapons...shimano or sram?...let the muntinlupa 24hr race course be the venue. duelling rules shall be the following: 1. both will carry no tools except those necessary for changing tires. 2. no lubing nor cleaning of bike or any of its components during duration of the entire race. 3. extra point per lap shall be earned by the gentleman who will garner the most laps. 4. a panel of judges will be appointed to test the bikes after the race to determine if the parts are still working properly. 5. the gruppo thats determined to be in better condition after race plus the points shall be declared the winner. are you ready?...are you ready?...lets get in on!!! I'd watch this! pwede tagaytay na lang the venue dh trail hehehe do you still wanna watch this... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by knobbyist on Aug 1, 2007 12:01:43 GMT 8
okay gentlemen...sir verong, sir coilerblue, choose your weapons...shimano or sram?...let the muntinlupa 24hr race course be the venue. duelling rules shall be the following: 1. both will carry no tools except those necessary for changing tires. 2. no lubing nor cleaning of bike or any of its components during duration of the entire race. 3. extra point per lap shall be earned by the gentleman who will garner the most laps. 4. a panel of judges will be appointed to test the bikes after the race to determine if the parts are still working properly. 5. the gruppo thats determined to be in better condition after race plus the points shall be declared the winner. are you ready?...are you ready?...lets get in on!!! Hahahahaha! Pwede pumusta... i mean can we place bets? Hehehe! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by pazigrider on Aug 1, 2007 13:21:13 GMT 8
i was really hoping that the crank arms of the '08 XT crank would be black anodized this time - but sadly - it's still silver so i won't be buying the '08 model and i'll just wait for the '09 or '10 instead ;D ;D perhaps it'll be black ;D ;D ;D
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Post by mountguitars on Aug 1, 2007 20:15:49 GMT 8
me too. if there's one thing i would buy, it would be the new shimano XT 2008 RD. ;D
i hope somebody posts prices and availability soon.
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Post by nhan on Aug 2, 2007 19:53:23 GMT 8
the XT Shadow RD is definitely the priority in my upgrade list... can't resist the temptation... this is a must buy for me.. hope other XT components won't tempt me.... or else they'll be included to the upgrade list as well.... oh my ... pain in my pocket again I hope the rapidfire of xt has a multi release just like xtr... haaayyyy
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Post by enzo on Aug 2, 2007 20:42:00 GMT 8
no offence ka verong but have you tried an xtr cranks lately...did you actually wrecked one...did shimano ordered to recall their cranks... there are many who have and love shimano in this country compared to xo's because of their reasonable price... ...i dont know you personally...for sure im not as rich as you are thats why you cannot expect me to afford your sram's even if i can...sayang fearah...hehehehe Im poor also, but I have access to shimano and Sram parts. From my simple background in cycling, I really feel that the 2 pinch bolt system is not an excellent evolution or development coming from the Octalink. I've seen a few actually. even with the dura ace which is the same system. It's even very easy to over torque them coz sometimes mechanics have that "TOUCH" already when tightening screws that they dont use torque wrench anymore. (How many home mechanics we have here who install parts without using torque wrench?) The same with the Thomson elite stem. but that's another story. I still believe that the octalink was better than the pinch bolt system. At least they tried to innovate but came out short. I want to praise everyone who is taking time and effort to dig deep into these subjects which will benefit us all. We need not get hurt or offended if our dearly beloved bike parts maker are being subject to scrutiny. Bisikleta lang,,, Walang personalan!= It's just a bike,,,, nothing personal! More power to all!
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Post by enzo on Aug 2, 2007 20:45:51 GMT 8
okay gentlemen...sir verong, sir coilerblue, choose your weapons...shimano or sram?...let the muntinlupa 24hr race course be the venue. duelling rules shall be the following: 1. both will carry no tools except those necessary for changing tires. 2. no lubing nor cleaning of bike or any of its components during duration of the entire race. 3. extra point per lap shall be earned by the gentleman who will garner the most laps. 4. a panel of judges will be appointed to test the bikes after the race to determine if the parts are still working properly. 5. the gruppo thats determined to be in better condition after race plus the points shall be declared the winner. are you ready?...are you ready?...lets get in on!!! I'd watch this! There are other things you need to consider to do this. Same bike, Different parts, But what about the fitness level of the rider. If one is weaker or his fitness or training is up for the race. What do you think will happen? Judging by the kind of bikes and not by the parts, I think Ka Verong has an unfair advantage being a xc/trail rider. This is a 24 hour race. But I dont know what riding coilerblue is doing but his handle said a few hints. And he mentioned a DH in tagaytay. These are just my wild guess.
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Post by flipnidaho on Aug 2, 2007 20:49:11 GMT 8
okay gentlemen...sir verong, sir coilerblue, choose your weapons...shimano or sram?...let the muntinlupa 24hr race course be the venue. duelling rules shall be the following: 1. both will carry no tools except those necessary for changing tires. 2. no lubing nor cleaning of bike or any of its components during duration of the entire race. 3. extra point per lap shall be earned by the gentleman who will garner the most laps. 4. a panel of judges will be appointed to test the bikes after the race to determine if the parts are still working properly. 5. the gruppo thats determined to be in better condition after race plus the points shall be declared the winner. are you ready?...are you ready?...lets get in on!!! Throw a Singlespeed in and I bet you it will win against Shimano or SRAM.
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Post by enzo on Aug 2, 2007 20:53:19 GMT 8
okay gentlemen...sir verong, sir coilerblue, choose your weapons...shimano or sram?...let the muntinlupa 24hr race course be the venue. duelling rules shall be the following: 1. both will carry no tools except those necessary for changing tires. 2. no lubing nor cleaning of bike or any of its components during duration of the entire race. 3. extra point per lap shall be earned by the gentleman who will garner the most laps. 4. a panel of judges will be appointed to test the bikes after the race to determine if the parts are still working properly. 5. the gruppo thats determined to be in better condition after race plus the points shall be declared the winner. are you ready?...are you ready?...lets get in on!!! Throw a Singlespeed in and I bet you it will win against Shimano or SRAM. ;D
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Post by edge808 on Aug 2, 2007 23:47:48 GMT 8
I'm eying the 08 shifters - read from the website that it should work like its celebrity big brother at half the price. those who've tried 07 xtr triggers should know what i'm talking about.
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Post by 'Bee' on Aug 4, 2007 22:00:47 GMT 8
Saw the 2008 XT crankset at HK shops. Selling for about PHP12K. Wasn't able to get the price of the groupset coz I was in a hurry, but it will give you an idea on the price of the whole lot. But for sure (at least here in HK) it's not half the price of the 2007 XTR.
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Post by mountguitars on Aug 4, 2007 23:34:27 GMT 8
Notice that the XT '08 cranks still have the pinch bolt fastening system for the left crankarm. I was hoping that the lockring system from current XTR crankset would have trickled down to the XT '08 crankset. dehins pa rin pala. I guess we won't see that until XT 2010 comes along. I think the XTR lockring system is a cleaner solution to the problem of fastening the left crankarm to the crank spindle. However, I have not yet come across reviews that would confirm if the XTR system is more reliable or stronger than the pinch bolt system. Has anyone started a discussion about the pros & cons of the two systems at Pinoy MTBiker? now that sucks! i actually hate the pinch bolt system also. thing is, its the only system along with the 2007 XTR which is reliable if you're going to use an outboard bearing system crankset. the lockring is the way to go. even the spline on the xtr crank is better. kinda like an octalink spline compared to the smaller splines used on the older XT and LX cranks. where's the bite in smaller splines anyways? why not just go back to octalink or isis? hehehe. ;D
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