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Post by king on Jun 15, 2007 16:37:43 GMT 8
www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2007/news/06-15Just as expected, the new Shadow rear derailleur option seen on the new Shimano Deore XT group will also grace the company's top-of-the-line XTR group as well. The same configuration benefits will apply, including an 11-13mm narrower profile for better protection in rocky environments, a more direct cable pull, and a higher tension main body spring for a firmer feel at the lever and snappier shift for users that so desire it. XTR's version will be a considerably higher end item than Deore XT's, though, and will actually be the lightest derailleur in the line. The RD-M972SGS/M972GS derailleur (indicating both mid- and long cage models) will weigh just 180g/182g (respectively) and will include a first-for-Shimano full carbon fiber cage assembly which helps shed 22g from the standard slant parallelogram versions.
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Post by edong on Jun 15, 2007 17:44:15 GMT 8
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Post by anthrax76 on Jun 15, 2007 18:01:18 GMT 8
oooooh, i like the cable pull design on this one. first they put a pulley....now they completely removed much of the cable bend. very very very nice wok on this one
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Post by kulot_salot on Jun 15, 2007 18:38:59 GMT 8
for sale xtr rd-m970, 5months used, good as new!!!! hehehehe.... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Onie on Jun 16, 2007 22:38:59 GMT 8
photo courtesy of DocNot so much impressed. Still some room for improvement, but let's say it's a start. But I just don't want to jump ahead particularly how it performs compared with the rest of the 07 XTR RDs. Is it day & night? I'm really clueless to what 'shadow' is all about? I'm looking at the new cable routing as well. It is more direct like the SRAM. I have to try it out myself. But I doubt that I'd change my current setup especially after I've swapped my jockeywheels to KCNC's... Now, I'm still looking for some more stuff like what I've been hearing about carbon bolts? Just have to confirm that one yet. ;D
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Post by Great Teacher Ulysses on Jun 16, 2007 22:50:09 GMT 8
hmmmnn...
think it's another season of upgraditis.... hehehehe....
i'll be looking forward in buying xtr '06 or '07 items next season... hehehehehe.....
sell it to me cheap ha!? hehehe.......
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Post by Patrick on Jun 17, 2007 8:52:28 GMT 8
photo courtesy of Doc Is that yours? wow... how much did that upgrade cost?
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Post by >rocketman> on Jun 17, 2007 9:12:40 GMT 8
the first pic has regular pulley wheels.
the one on the digi scale has carbon pulley wheels, is that an option?
rocks cannot tell if you have carbon XTR or sram X0 carbon derailleur on your bike
or even how much it cost, hehehe, It takes only one solid hit to make your cry.
go for the short cage? or put it on an asphalt bike
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Post by xctofi on Jun 17, 2007 9:43:45 GMT 8
Is that yours? wow... how much did that upgrade cost? nope.thats a photo of the prototype,soon to be released but rest assured.as soon as it becomes available Onie will have one. ;D Those new XTR's sure has SRAM XO's written all over it ;D ;D ;D
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Post by mountguitars on Jun 17, 2007 16:26:27 GMT 8
hmmm...........yummy. that's half the weight of my deore RD's and pretty soon, RD's will weigh as much as FD's. now that's what i call an upgrade. how much kaya? abangan!
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Post by Dragunov on Jun 17, 2007 16:54:00 GMT 8
good thing i havent bought an xtr rd i was planning to install on my shawn!!! yeah tofi! its has sram written all over it with Shimano "QUALITY" ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Taba® on Jun 17, 2007 17:10:53 GMT 8
Very nice! Hhhhmmmm....but I have a feeling this will not come out before December this year - they will again delay and limit the release just like what they have done on the XTR 2007. But I am waiting.....UPGRADITIS...UPGRADITIS...UPGRADITIS...
Bikers in the Philippines, please advise us when it is already available in the LBS. We know that the Philippines is always one of the first to get the new models....
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Post by Onie on Jun 17, 2007 21:13:47 GMT 8
Patrick, Tofi's right... Not mine. I'm completely sold with only the pulley being 'upgraded'. Like Rocketman said, rocks are just going to maim those silly carbon cages... Otherwise, if you can't resist going all out with the 'tuning'... Well, maybe go for a short cage (like Rocketman reiterared). But it's still no assurance though particularly with the kind of riding we love to do.
But we do all know that money can get derailleurs lighter but what I've shown here isn't going to have the durability of that non-tuned XTR by far....
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Post by Jan Atienza on Jun 17, 2007 21:14:07 GMT 8
Wow, Tiso RDs are dead!
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Post by rickym on Jun 18, 2007 5:09:27 GMT 8
LIGHT weight, surely HEAVY price hehehehhe....(i'm dreaming to have one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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Post by king on Jun 18, 2007 7:06:54 GMT 8
i bet it's still cheaper then sram x.o!
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Post by warlock^_^ on Jun 18, 2007 9:17:57 GMT 8
eekkk another one...
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Post by anthrax76 on Jun 18, 2007 9:38:11 GMT 8
hmm...i never was a carbon fan...but hey, could they trickle the cable pull design on XT or LX? he he he.
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Post by Jan Atienza on Jun 18, 2007 12:04:53 GMT 8
photo courtesy of DocNot so much impressed. Still some room for improvement, but let's say it's a start. But I just don't want to jump ahead particularly how it performs compared with the rest of the 07 XTR RDs. Is it day & night? I'm really clueless to what 'shadow' is all about? I'm looking at the new cable routing as well. It is more direct like the SRAM. I have to try it out myself. But I doubt that I'd change my current setup especially after I've swapped my jockeywheels to KCNC's... Now, I'm still looking for some more stuff like what I've been hearing about carbon bolts? Just have to confirm that one yet. ;D I agree, seems more on the weight enhancement than performance. a pair KCNC jockey wheels (anodized & cnc'd with ceramic bushings), Ti Ni coated chains and ceramic BB bearings will be a cheaper and performance enhancing alternative since the shifting performance of the "old" XTR '07 is already ok.
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Post by enzo on Jun 18, 2007 13:44:27 GMT 8
photo courtesy of DocNot so much impressed. Still some room for improvement, but let's say it's a start. But I just don't want to jump ahead particularly how it performs compared with the rest of the 07 XTR RDs. Is it day & night? I'm really clueless to what 'shadow' is all about? I'm looking at the new cable routing as well. It is more direct like the SRAM. I have to try it out myself. But I doubt that I'd change my current setup especially after I've swapped my jockeywheels to KCNC's... Now, I'm still looking for some more stuff like what I've been hearing about carbon bolts? Just have to confirm that one yet. ;D I agree, seems more on the weight enhancement than performance. a pair KCNC jockey wheels (anodized & cnc'd with ceramic bushings), Ti Ni coated chains and ceramic BB bearings will be a cheaper and performance enhancing alternative since the shifting performance of the "old" XTR '07 is already ok. brad JC, How much would it cost for the set-up you mention?
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Post by Jan Atienza on Jun 18, 2007 14:01:50 GMT 8
enzo, clarification: alternative to buying the sram x.o since we don't have the new xtr price yet.. off-hand? i'd say around P5-6k upgrade, i.e. P3-4k for the chain, P2k for the BB bearings, P900 to P1800 for the jockey wheels. Mmmmm, parang mali addition ko...
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Post by enzo on Jun 18, 2007 14:36:26 GMT 8
enzo, clarification: alternative to buying the sram x.o since we don't have the new xtr price yet.. off-hand? i'd say around P5-6k upgrade, i.e. P3-4k for the chain, P2k for the BB bearings, P900 to P1800 for the jockey wheels. Mmmmm, parang mali addition ko... JC, Thanks, Ceramic BB is what I need for my 07 XTR coz their bearings are really dragging hard and I will give the chain a thought. Can you PM me the price in case you made a mistake here and it might be cheaper than what you quoted ;D and where it is available. TIA
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Post by Onie on Jun 18, 2007 15:41:45 GMT 8
Let's chime some more! This thread is getting quite interesting! Thanks, guys! Just to answer my question earlier about what 'Shadow' tech is all about. The Shadow system (on the right) designed as a narrower profile for better protection in rocky environments. The Shadow derailleur is 11-18 mm smaller than a conventional derailleur and it has a much thinner profile than any other rear derailleur in the market. Another benefit of this system: increased vertical stability to prevent it hitting the chain stay in very bumpy terrain. Shimano claims that it features "a crispy shift feeling" which is aided by the direct cable routing (i.e., having been shortened). It will be available in a short cage and a long cage version but only in 'Top-Normal' (ie old school) design to work with Shimano’s Rapidfire Plus shifters. Current Low-Normal and Top-Normal XTR rear derailleurs will still be offerings at Shimano. Global release is expected to be September 2007 www.singletrackworld.com/article.php?sid=2471&PHPSESSID=be0efa63dc7cc2c35e23433fa7b7a7fb
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Post by Onie on Jun 18, 2007 15:58:31 GMT 8
good thing i havent bought an xtr rd i was planning to install on my shawn!!! yeah tofi! its has sram written all over it with Shimano "QUALITY" ;D ;D ;D Resistance is futile......_______________________________________________________________________________________________________See here. He has yielded easily into the darkside ;D for sale xtr rd-m970, 5months used, good as new!!!! hehehehe.... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Jan Atienza on Jun 18, 2007 20:03:29 GMT 8
Let's chime some more! This thread is getting quite interesting! Thanks, guys! Just to answer my question earlier about what 'Shadow' tech is all about. The Shadow system (on the right) designed as a narrower profile for better protection in rocky environments. The Shadow derailleur is 11-18 mm smaller than a conventional derailleur and it has a much thinner profile than any other rear derailleur in the market. Another benefit of this system: increased vertical stability to prevent it hitting the chain stay in very bumpy terrain. Shimano claims that it features "a crispy shift feeling" which is aided by the direct cable routing (i.e., having been shortened). It will be available in a short cage and a long cage version but only in 'Top-Normal' (ie old school) design to work with Shimano’s Rapidfire Plus shifters. Current Low-Normal and Top-Normal XTR rear derailleurs will still be offerings at Shimano. Global release is expected to be September 2007 Looks nice, hope it's priced at the same level as the old XTR 07 www.singletrackworld.com/article.php?sid=2471&PHPSESSID=be0efa63dc7cc2c35e23433fa7b7a7fb
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Post by unknown2907 on Jul 6, 2007 13:23:07 GMT 8
d@mn im not so techie in bike stuff but my nose bleed, but im ok,some food for the brain hehe,nice topic though
is this carbon thing really helps? i know weight is really on line but could this fraction of weight really improves our skill? or will add more fun in our biking?
just my 2 cents... hehe
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Post by grnhrnt on Jul 6, 2007 15:53:15 GMT 8
Onie,
The '06 xtr RD that comes w/ the paddle type STi's are rapid rise right? Any news if the '07 version of the Rapid Rise will come out? I don't like the low-normal or top-normal it is so difficult to shift to a lower gear when climbing.
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Post by king on Jul 6, 2007 16:13:22 GMT 8
i think i read that the "shadow" versions only work with the older (non rapid rise) shifting.
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Post by coilerblue on Jul 10, 2007 8:46:15 GMT 8
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