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Post by bernie on Oct 23, 2003 8:28:34 GMT 8
Mga kosa halos lahat ng bagong stuff ng Shimano e Hollow Tech, in lay mans term, pinagaan dahil nagka ukab sa loob ng arm ng plato. Definitely mas magaan ito pero palagay nyo, mas matibay kaya ito kesa sa solid arm? Pati Bottom Bracket nito butas din e. Alin kaya ang mas rteliable sa bagsakang padyakan?
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Post by radical1962 on Oct 23, 2003 10:08:07 GMT 8
Gone through alot with my Deore Hollowtech and it was one of the first ones here in Feb 2002. The crank is all banged up from hitting too many rocks but aside from the cosmetic damage, it is still going strong.
My hollowtech bottom bracket has gone through a whole lot of river crossings and despite of the few rust stains is still smooth as silk.
I don't see any weakness with these compared to the old series Shimano non-hollowtech cranks.
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Post by bernie on Oct 23, 2003 10:50:57 GMT 8
Sana nga coz I used a Deore Gruppo in my latest Hard Tail. Sana mag tagal din sya gaya nung STX RC ko na gruppo na hangang ngayon e buo pa din dun sa isa kong luma na bike.
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Post by radical1962 on Oct 23, 2003 13:38:00 GMT 8
It should last you long. My LBS would not sell me anything lower than the DEORE. It seems that the others are made in Malaysia or Taiwan and its only the deore and up that are still made in japan... but then again, they sure are durable.
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Post by bernie on Oct 24, 2003 11:43:15 GMT 8
Oo nga ang Deore up lang yata ang mga Japanese made Shimano, Alivio below is Singapore and Malaysia, mas Ok ok naman siguro ang Singapore ( o same lang ).
dehins kaya nabawasan ang metal strength dahil sa nawalang metal content? palagay nyo?
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Post by Overclocker on Jan 6, 2004 21:35:48 GMT 8
Yeah Shimano cranks alivio and below suck, better off with sugino at the low-end...
Hollowtech is STIFFER pound-for-pound, but is probably weaker than a heavy beefy forged solid crank... but who cares, you don't really need that much strength... unless your legs are so strong you shear them off the BB...
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Post by woofers on Jan 7, 2004 13:39:57 GMT 8
Your chain, chainrings, and chainring bolts will snap before your cranks even begin to bend. Happened to me last Friday. Snapped 4 chainring bolts on my roadbike while sprinting. Also, not all Deore-and-above components are made in Japan. I've had a set (Deore) that was made in Malaysia.
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Post by bernie on Jan 9, 2004 13:57:54 GMT 8
May Deore pala na Malaysia, di kaya sticker lang yan ;D kunsabagay, I think it has the same materials, it's the labor that counts the costs.
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Post by paulbaguio on Feb 10, 2004 19:05:41 GMT 8
hollowtech are really designed in such a way that will reduced weight but still maintain the same or mor rigid strenght for its purpose. As a mechanical engineer we have studied these design optimizations so wwe can guarantee it is rigid. I myself have a hollowtech Deore crank. Thought it has gone through banging and rigid uphills, it has still stand and is still waiting for me to my next rides.
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Post by allegra on Feb 10, 2004 22:51:45 GMT 8
Best value na nga yung deore drive train pero sa cranks I prefer truvativ. Konti lang difference ng firex at deore My Deore chain rings were seperating from my cranks after a year so i bought a '02 stylo team for the same price as a 04 firex. Laki gaan sa deore crank.
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Post by kiddfoes on Feb 11, 2004 2:47:23 GMT 8
i had a reliable year with my xtr hollowtech...the drive leg was banged-up couple of times, and still works well. i used to have race face LP cranks. i couldn't tell the difference between a hollow and with a bottom bracket. hollow had proven itself to be stiff and rigid. the only thing that separates it from the rest i think is that hollow weighs less than with BB and far more pricey. i think everybody agrees with it....the more lighter the stuff, the more heavier it gets on your wallet! so how much "light" are you up to...i don't think you'll feel the difference when you're already saddled-up choosing either of the two won't hurt you...depends of how much budget you have in. STUFFED OR NOT they're reliable.
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Post by jr on Feb 11, 2004 4:50:59 GMT 8
Amen... 120 percent agree. I still have my 99 xtr kits on my trek 2001 9.8 hardtail and still going.
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Post by weenie on Feb 11, 2004 11:49:31 GMT 8
Sa Deore parang marketing gimmick lang yang hollowtech... mabigat pa rin ang Deore crankset. Tapos dehins pa one-piece ang spider at arm...
Kung maiiwasan ang Shimano mas maganda ;D
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Post by [ eRECTUS ] on Feb 16, 2004 5:03:53 GMT 8
Also, not all Deore-and-above components are made in Japan. I've had a set (Deore) that was made in Malaysia. Yup, meron Deore na malaysian made...
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Post by warlock^_^ on Feb 25, 2004 12:10:10 GMT 8
[quote author=weenie
Kung maiiwasan ang Shimano mas maganda ;D[/quote]
Okey na idea! Get a RF Turbine LP Crankset (Square taper BB) nde kasi maganda review ng ISIS. Kung may pera ka get the latest RF Deus or Atlas..or Next LP with Sugino Chainrings (bigat daw kasi ng RF)
pero balik ka rin sa issues ng Front Derailer, wla na gumagawa ng reliable na Front derailer aside from Shimano...old stock ng SRAM..pede rin
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Post by bernie on Mar 3, 2004 17:52:04 GMT 8
Yung Deore na Japan, OK naman , Yung sa akin di naman nasisira, yung malaysia daw ang nabibiyak, sabi lang ng mga riders ng Munti at Alabang.
Despite na masama naman daw ang sobrang gaan ng bike dahil nga kung daanan ka ng malaking sasakyan, nag wiggle at mahirap kontrolin sa lubakan.
Kung gusto nyo daw magaan ang bike, mag racer kayo bwa ha ha ha ha joke lang po. ;D
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Post by maxbuwaya on May 28, 2004 22:23:56 GMT 8
i think maliit nga lang weight diff ng hollow tech. kaya namang macompensate yung kung iwan mo pump mo at manghiram na lang kung maflatan ka hehehehe
dami talagang hype sa disenyo ng bisikleta kung ano ano its proven, a lot of them are just marketing and some really works, I say hollow tech is just a marketing thingamajing.
GO TRUVATIV!!!! ehehehehe
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Post by bernie on Sept 1, 2004 16:32:41 GMT 8
i think maliit nga lang weight diff ng hollow tech. kaya namang macompensate yung kung iwan mo pump mo at manghiram na lang kung maflatan ka hehehehe dami talagang hype sa disenyo ng bisikleta kung ano ano its proven, a lot of them are just marketing and some really works, I say hollow tech is just a marketing thingamajing. GO TRUVATIV!!!! ehehehehe Truvativ is Good! But we need cash, Bwa ha ha ha hay!
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Post by bernie on Dec 8, 2004 6:26:23 GMT 8
One thing I noticed, the BB of hollow tech (spline) is not that tough as the solid BB, ewan ko lang, sa akin madlas akong masiraan ng bearing sa BB nung solid pa BB ko wala ako naging problem na ganyan.
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Post by Poseur on Dec 11, 2004 14:00:01 GMT 8
truvativ cranks are known for stripping the threads (even w/ the steel inserts) where your pedals go. i rather stay w/ a 2005 shimano LX minimum.
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Post by maxbuwaya on Dec 14, 2004 14:48:56 GMT 8
truvativ cranks are known for stripping the threads (even w/ the steel inserts) where your pedals go. i rather stay w/ a 2005 shimano LX minimum. d@mn! I should keep an eye on this, madals pa naman ako magpalit palit ng pedals. Tnx for the info! GO TRUVATIV!
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Post by bernie on Jan 5, 2005 8:16:56 GMT 8
Tila mas maganda yata ang solid, later I noticed eh, medyo problematic ang spline at hollow tech, unlike the solid na install and use. Sa Spline, magkaroon lang ng koonting gitli o a very small pilegis, lagitik krek krek kaagad ang kasunod.
...back to old school nga ang ibang riders dito sa 'min.
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Post by ygolote on Jan 6, 2005 11:18:22 GMT 8
Di ko mapag-iba ang performance gain ng Hollowtech II na 04 XT crankset kumpara sa aking lumang 4 arm LX na nakakabit sa XTR na bottom bracket. Siguro dahil di naman kasi ako ganoon kabigat at kalakas para mapag-flex yun crankset. At malamang Jedi lang ang makakahalata ng 90 grams na weight difference ng dalawa.
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Post by bernie on Jan 7, 2005 8:18:54 GMT 8
Definitely mas mabigat ang solid cranks and BB's kaysa sa Hollowtechs, pero of course the bike rules, mas magaan, mas mahal nga lang.
An XT new version costs around P8K compare sa old XT(solid) na P3K, maybe kung heavy rider ka use the solid cranks.
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Post by bernie on Jan 24, 2005 14:59:20 GMT 8
Solid vs. Hollowtech SOLID - More Metal contents that is why it's very tough. HOLLOWTECH-Less metal due for its hollow properties ( may butas sa loob )but improves the metal composition making it at least 20% lighter. The choice is yours, ( BUDGET RULES IN ACTUAL IS A FACTOR TOO ) hehehheheh
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Post by Poseur on Jan 25, 2005 15:31:48 GMT 8
i think the real concern for cranks are actually stiffness. hollowtech gives u the stiffness w/o the penalty of the solid which is weight. kinda like a bike tubings... it could be solid but it'll weight a ton. that's why RF's got the I-beam design to it (but heavier than Saint). have u seen a broken crank? i have seen a broken BB but not a crank. broken as in in pieces not just the thread getting stripped out of commission.
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Post by bernie on Jan 26, 2005 8:25:14 GMT 8
Nakakita na ako, nabiyak na Crank Arms ( shimano LX hollowtech) because of too much tight pressure, pero this is a very rare case maybe, minalas na lang.
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Post by Poseur on Jan 26, 2005 13:46:31 GMT 8
u mean tight pressure sa bolt? was it on a square taper?
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Post by staind on Jan 26, 2005 14:58:04 GMT 8
i think the real concern for cranks are actually stiffness. hollowtech gives u the stiffness w/o the penalty of the solid which is weight. kinda like a bike tubings... it could be solid but it'll weight a ton. KOREK KA DYAN! 'nuff said. look at the pix of the XT cranks above then decide. IMO, XT Hollowtech 2 is very, very stiff! hell, DHers and FRers all over the globe use it! that's saying a lot! if you still feel that it's flimsy then get the Saint cranks!
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Post by bernie on Jan 26, 2005 16:13:04 GMT 8
u mean tight pressure sa bolt? was it on a square taper? LX hollowtech, pero as i said minalas lang siguro. Ok yang aint, tila pinakamatibay na yata yan ano, dinesign para sa bugbugan hehehheh
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