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Post by taba on Dec 18, 2007 12:40:16 GMT 8
Regardless of the budget. Which is more reliable? Better and even greater?
TIA!
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Jep
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Post by Jep on Dec 18, 2007 17:56:51 GMT 8
SRAM, hands down. hehehe. sorry for being biased. SRAM boy here.
Well for me, i just love the 1:1 actuation ratio. others may think differently (safe. hehehe)
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k1ntaro™
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If there's a will, there's a way
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Post by k1ntaro™ on Dec 18, 2007 18:05:30 GMT 8
tabaas what you've said "regardless of the budget"...i'd go for SRAM X0 ;D
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DarKman
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Ride Hard... or Go Home.
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Post by DarKman on Dec 18, 2007 18:09:00 GMT 8
I own a 2008 XT Shadow RD and a 2007 sram x7... hands down the x7 is way better... smooth, accurate, reliable.... and it ain't even an x9 or XO...
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Post by anthrax76 on Dec 18, 2007 20:29:59 GMT 8
with an unlimited budget. i'd go for SRAM anytime.
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Post by omel on Dec 28, 2007 18:49:38 GMT 8
CRISP........ Sram x.o!!!!!!!! better than the xtr i had (not shadow though)
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Post by Alphabolt on Dec 28, 2007 21:13:17 GMT 8
I have an X9 and its uber sweet great shifting while going uphill Im sold on SRAM ....for now
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jacklero
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Post by jacklero on Dec 28, 2007 23:08:31 GMT 8
Yep for some reason the SRAMs shift faster...hmmm....
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Post by bongjumper on Dec 29, 2007 0:33:55 GMT 8
Shimano Shadow or SRAM RD's with the bongjumper's jockey wheels... the same shifting response...
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Post by kulot_salot on Dec 29, 2007 7:51:55 GMT 8
Regardless of the budget. Which is more reliable? Better and even greater? TIA! give me a week to test/review/compare.
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Post by 'Bee' on Dec 29, 2007 10:49:33 GMT 8
Had my first test of XTR Shadow RD this morning on my favorite training loop. My initial findings: Very smooth and very responsive shifting, in my opinion, even better with the 07 XTR RD. My setup: XTR Shadow Rear Derailleur using SRP Aluminium No Compression gear cable housing I think, the SRP cable housing played a significant role on how the RD responded with every click. Next step is to compare it with my SRAM X.0 equipped bike. To be continued.
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Post by randiezbee on Dec 29, 2007 19:44:35 GMT 8
thanks for this info banny waiting for the continuation...
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Post by <eVs10nacious< on Jan 11, 2008 15:51:15 GMT 8
between the two brands i would go SHIMANO shadow rd.
why?
sram technology performs well but wont last if u dont do maintenance regularly. not to sturdy pricey
shimano technology always performs & give me peace of mind tru out the years not too much maintenance will last sturdy price reasonable
i used it for DH compe, im tamad of cleaning my bike, just love to downhilling @ patiis.
if not broken dont fix. if too dirty dont touch it. if its eye irritating come closer it my $#!+!
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santino
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Post by santino on Jan 12, 2008 0:42:06 GMT 8
@ eVs10nacious,
Ah yes, Jhongki... despite your flippant way of expressing yourself.. somehow you always seem to make sense. Hehehe.
I've tried both types of derailleurs and I must say that I do like the performance of both... the only part where I ran into a bit of difficulty with Sram shifters is that I have uh... "stubby" thumbs making thumbshifting a bit testy. But then again, it's a personal thing, the Sram X7 (the X9 even more so) shifts superbly and the rear derailleur does shift startingly quick. I guess I got used to the Zen of Shimano shifting. Hehehe.
On the Shimano side of things, I have to agree with Evs about the "connect and forget" aspect of the Shadow RD.
Translation: tamad din akong maglinis at magbutingting ng bisikleta.
And being Ebenezer Scrooge for a bit... the XT RD isn't too expensive... so whenever I shove the bike into a bus compartment--- I don't have to fret too much about the RD getting dinged. Obviously, I cannot abide by the concept of "regardless of the budget" side of things. Hehehe. I still remember the face of a friend who smashed his X.0 on a wayward rock... His face reminded me of Van Gogh's Scream painting.
But then again, it's up to the consumer to decide really, as Maurice Tierney once said:
Choice is King.
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Post by kulot_salot on Jan 12, 2008 10:33:45 GMT 8
I have been using my sram system for 1 month now. I have used friction type shifters before… triggers (from both companies)… the much disparaged dcl system… now, I’m on gripshifts. My fence-jump was purely accidental. I confess, I am a DCL user. I would have gotten an XT or the XTR DCL in hydro... But the DCL’s actual release this year was a bit slow if not annoying. First, it was my right thumb injury that made me not go to triggers. My other bike (my wife’s, in papers) uses triggers. I just can’t seem to do the thumb-push very well. So, I scratched the idea of changing my system to triggers. I also tested a neighbor’s bike using sram triggers. Still, my right thumb cries pain. Even giving my wife her nightly massage is painful on my thumb. ;D Second, I would have not ‘shifted’ (pun intended) to the sram system if my wife did not give me an XT brakeset gift last Christmas. Again, no triggers for me. So, I have to go to another system. The gripshift. As I said somewhere in this forum, the ‘micro-shifts’ and the ‘dump’ are the selling points of the gripshift. The 1:1 actuation is really something. It is what other sram-system users said it would be: intuitive. Yes, it lacks the relaxed experience (santino's term: zen ;D ) on my past shimano systems. From my POV, the 1:1 ‘spur-of-the-moment’ shift character is evident on the cable tension. The shimano has that ‘transmission-line’ slack. To note, I have tried the shadow system. Still, that shimano shift experience is evident, but less the rd chatter. With the sram rd, the chatter was ebbed if not none. Also, with the magnificent drivetrain tweaking of John Wilkie bike shop mech, my system was 100% trail-ready. For 1 month now, I have not cleaned my drivetrain, just to see how good (or bad) the sram system is. To my surprise, there was no change in performance. Even after the ride (considering the return-home ride is like opening a can-o-worms, where system failures turn-up), it is as efficient as the first shifts in the morning. But still, I need to assess it more… I know cable-stretch, spring-weakening, pivot-wear, etc. will come about in no time.
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Post by winchester on Jan 12, 2008 13:37:58 GMT 8
for me sram is the best because of good shifting performance i use 9.0 griftshift for almost 4yrs of using the only problem i in conter i were to by grip for my grip shift but performance very good and nice quality go sram group set
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Post by <eVs10nacious< on Jan 16, 2008 20:42:35 GMT 8
santinome tired sense making, maybe me have sickness altitude @ patiis. u, expressing to much no gud for biking somehow me thinking u like oral rather than riding actual me no gud anymore expressing in details or sharing time hard explaining. so join better me d_hilling patiis so wud u know which is which rd better & shifting gud. those rd's maybe hit never experience or never been out crash. from there ul know which rds sturdy & shifting still. ok this much too. i see u when u i see oke evs
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Post by >rocketman> on Jan 16, 2008 21:39:07 GMT 8
XO and SHIMANO DRIVE TRAIN
GO SRAMANO!
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Post by >rocketman> on Jan 16, 2008 21:39:35 GMT 8
GO RIDE SRAMANO!
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Post by GALVinChie on Jan 18, 2008 13:18:59 GMT 8
Yup! One SraMano fan right here as well--full Sram on the rear and full Shimano in front. Nothing beats both worlds.
Go SraMano!!!!!!!!!
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Post by <eVs10nacious< on Jan 24, 2008 22:17:29 GMT 8
me before using sramano combo, ultegra rd with avid rollamajig & attack trigger shifter, me back to shimano 08 rd xt shadow & 08 xt shifter tumdex shifter, shimano no more loop cable routing in all 08 rds me now pro shimano no more sramano combo or sram me no good experience me smiling now 4 08 shimano models good all models shimano improve their design & more durable but heavy little shimano design have carbon. evs
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Post by amplifine on Jan 30, 2008 17:15:59 GMT 8
i think this is a matter of preference as both will require maintenance. Though I have to note that I already re-packed the both the XO's and the X9's pulleys twice. Haven;t had Shimano in a long time but please note that the 1994 XT which which I passed down to my son is still alive and I only repacked the pulleys on that one once!
I like the shifting response of SRAM better than Shimano. For some SRAM feels clunky but I prefer to have a positive feeling clack rather than a softer and finer Click that Shimano offers. I'm also used to the thumb shifting action of SRAM.
The 07' Shimano Shadows are a welcome change to SRAM users as the preference gap seems to be closing with Shimano's thumb dual actuation which uses both thumb and forefinger for the shifting. The newer one also feels almost as clunky as SRAM and with the XT offers better pricing over SRAM x9 and XO. Something worth thinking about.
I'll definitely use my SRAMs until they break (i think sometime mid year) but contemplating now on shifting to Shimano because the price is right! I also like the idea of low-profile designs for the shadow as I tore off my rear derailer hanger when it caught on a branch.
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Post by taba on Feb 4, 2008 9:02:45 GMT 8
Just a quick question:
Is Shimano FD compatible with Sram Shifters?
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Post by g.b.b on Feb 4, 2008 10:05:32 GMT 8
quick answer....... very compatible.
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Post by amplifine on Mar 7, 2008 17:39:30 GMT 8
Yes the FD's should work but the rears won't SRAM uses 1:1 actuation ration whereas Shimano is....... I dunno?
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mythbuster
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Post by mythbuster on Mar 10, 2008 9:07:03 GMT 8
the fewer the model, the better, shimano is frying cyclists mind in producing so many models and different versions and series too, unlike sram that concentrated on the function rathen than producing soooo manyyy models.
after a decade of using shimano rd's, in my point of view according to my own preference, SRAM is the best, I am not saying that Shimano RD is a bad choice, it functions slower nga lang, i bet most of us here wants a click and action response especially in climbing.
just my preference....
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mythbuster
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Post by mythbuster on Mar 10, 2008 9:10:09 GMT 8
Sir Bong, patent your innovation, before Shimano or Sram or Sunrace will copy it, heheheh
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Post by bongjumper on Mar 11, 2008 17:24:14 GMT 8
Sir Bong, patent your innovation, before Shimano or Sram or Sunrace will copy it, heheheh Thanks Mythbuster... Brand name and patents will cost money and also need time to wait for the approval... Of course it will be charge to the product cost. So let it be this way, home made parts with a resonable and affordable price to everyone... If Shimano or SRAM made this jockX wheel... no problem with me... I can buy if I need one...
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Post by amplifine on Mar 24, 2008 13:54:00 GMT 8
I just wished that SRAM would make a lower profiled RD. You'd have to dump the bike now and then and having to re-align the hangers now and then gets to be a pain the Aish! I see that the Shimano Shadows are tucked in a bit more making them less likely to catch up on a twig or get hit when the rear falls into a rut.
I still prefer the SRAM though having the hanger torn off, bent 3 times etc. gets me thinking. Hope SRAM tries to adjust the profile of their RD bodies.
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Post by GALVinChie on Apr 1, 2008 9:13:16 GMT 8
i bet most of us here wants a click and action response especially in climbing. just my preference.... THIS IS WHY I'M VERY SOLD ON SRAM. QED
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