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Post by Superbad on Sept 6, 2006 18:49:30 GMT 8
Hey People,
I'm thinking of getting a new wheelset. What are your opinions on the American Classic 350 MTB Wheelset?
Thanks!
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Post by Dragunov on Sept 6, 2006 19:07:37 GMT 8
i think the bearing would be hard to find, same with other am classic hubs
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Post by dayuhan on Sept 6, 2006 20:04:20 GMT 8
They are very light but seem to have major issues with durability. Check the reviews on mtbr.com...
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Post by radical1962 on Sept 6, 2006 23:25:18 GMT 8
Have been using it since October last year. Just had a bad fall and the rear wheel got misaligned. Extreme was able to re-align it but I had to replace all the nipples since the original ones were glue-locked on and they cracked during the re-alignment. They also tend to be high maintenance since you have to clean the free hubs occassionally to keep them from binding. But they are easy to dismantle and reassemble ... takes 15 minutes per wheel.
But they are really LIGHT at 1500gms for both wheels !!! and you can feel them during the climbs. I also have the Bontranger Race Disc TL @ 2000gms (and more expensive) ... and you can feel the extra pound difference. I don't think you would have any problems with the parts (nipples, bearing, etc) since they are available from the distributor. Ask Extreme, they can order them for you.
They are ok considering that they are lighter than MAVIC Crossmax SL and at almost HALF the price. I am willing to live with its quirks. Right now it's my racing wheelset. I use it on long epics with relatively mild trails. I use the Bont on extreme trails where there are lots of ruts, rocks, etc.
But if I had the money, I would really like the bling factor of the Mavics ... in my dreams...
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Post by Superbad on Sept 7, 2006 5:39:53 GMT 8
thanks radical,
I'm still undecided about it. It's light yes, but there are questions about the durability as dayuhan said.
But if parts won't be a problem, then I guess its a good deal.
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Post by Onie on Sept 7, 2006 6:14:39 GMT 8
Raul, While on our way to Joven (yesterday) you expressed your interest on buying an Am Classic wheelset, back then I had also such thoughts playing in my mind. Since it's lighter approximately by almost 20 grams from Xmax SLR. BUT definitely much cheaper than those bling, bling SLR's about a third particularly if they are allegedly be going to have a $999 price tag!!! So, I have done a li'l bit reading here & there... Since I badly need to make it a sub 23 Anthem. Sick! But sanely probable! ;D Here's what I've dugged up a sandwich of good & bad stuff. Raves & boos... Hubs & the disc wheelset. But I just dunno if that's one same model you're interested about. HTH. Might go for the bling, bling here ;D Live The Ride, Ride The Dream - KHS Bicycles Ride inspired!
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Post by Onie on Sept 7, 2006 6:32:09 GMT 8
My bad! Just came one second too late though! ;D Here's the picture, perhaps, once you got to buy your Am Classic, although were not so lucky indeed. But knock on wood! Another one here... Guess they don't mix & watch so well in wet areas/ season... More from where it came from. Read at your own risk. ;D Thanks!
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Post by clutchshooter on Sept 7, 2006 6:48:29 GMT 8
They are @#$%! My riding pal in NH thrashed his 350 after putting in 500 miles of off road!!! My pal is on the soft side he do not do jumps either an a sissy at downhill runs too!!!
Go for Huigi!
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Post by Superbad on Sept 7, 2006 9:25:04 GMT 8
Thanks guys! I kinda ride aggressively and these babies wont last long. I figure it would be better to build my own wheelset.
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Post by Dragunov on Sept 7, 2006 9:32:54 GMT 8
Thanks guys! I kinda ride aggressively and these babies wont last long. I figure it would be better to build my own wheelset. why not buy a shimano m565 wheelset, its lightweight too
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Post by Superbad on Sept 7, 2006 9:58:59 GMT 8
Thanks guys! I kinda ride aggressively and these babies wont last long. I figure it would be better to build my own wheelset. why not buy a shimano m565 wheelset, its lightweight too How much Pistol Pete?
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Post by g.b.b on Sept 7, 2006 9:59:54 GMT 8
6,700 nga hehehe hi pete. wuv u
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Post by bongjumper on Sept 7, 2006 10:01:55 GMT 8
That good decision to built your wheelset. This AM wheelset is only for one time use or race specific. it's not durable to use for long time.
Buy the Mavic X717 (790 grams), DT spokes competition (90 grams), and Element Hub (170 grams for front, 370 grams for the rear)... total of 1420 grams for the whole wheelset...
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Post by cobym on Sept 7, 2006 10:07:29 GMT 8
just get a pair of xt hubs, dt's, and sun UFO's (very light and way cheaper than mavic 717) and lighten up on your tires and tubes. Bingo. You've got a reasonably light wheelset for probably less than the am classic wheelset. And you dont have the durability issues of the AC.
The FSA xc300 wheelset looks good too. Saw a set in Sabak makati.
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Post by Superbad on Sept 7, 2006 10:15:58 GMT 8
just get a pair of xt hubs, dt's, and sun UFO's (very light and way cheaper than mavic 717) and lighten up on your tires and tubes. Bingo. You've got a reasonably light wheelset for probably less than the am classic wheelset. And you dont have the durability issues of the AC. The FSA xc300 wheelset looks good too. Saw a set in Sabak makati. Hi Coby! You were my sister's blockmate in college! Hahaha! I was actually thinking of getting UFO rims, dt's and xt hubs. Thanks for the advise. Let's ride soon
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Post by cobym on Sept 9, 2006 7:32:09 GMT 8
Small world, aint it?
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Post by mountguitars on Sept 9, 2006 10:36:27 GMT 8
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Post by Superbad on Sept 9, 2006 11:46:17 GMT 8
thanks jon!
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Post by Onie on Sept 9, 2006 18:48:07 GMT 8
I have no idea exactly what it would be because it will never happen as money is always an object in the real world. - Shiggy_________________________________________________________________________________________ Jon, there's a much lighter one than your UFO. Just tipping the scales only at a feathery weight of 345g versus 370g for UFO! ;D If you want something beefier, go with the [glow=red,2,300]DT 5.1ds[/glow]or[glow=red,2,300]823s[/glow] But please bear in mind it should all revolve around these parameters: Strength, weight, durability, & ease of maintenance (serviceable). And plus the fact that the "ultimate" wheel build would be directed to your weight & riding needs/ riding style. With that in mind... ...Given the resources: time, availability of materials, & similar stuff I'd have built this chopsuey wheelset: Front WheelHope Front hub = 200g Mavic X717 disc rim = 395g DT Revolution Spokes (2.0, 1.5, 2.0) = 148gr (assuming 32 spoke and about 265mm legth) DT Alloy Nipples = 15gr (assuming 32 of the 2.0) Wheel total w/ no rim strip = 758gramsNow lets add a rotor, superlight tube, superlight tire and a superlight rim strip Existing wheel = 758gr Stans Aluminum rotor = 58g (lightest i know of) Schwalbe XXLite Tube = 105gr (maxxix flyweight 1.5-1.75 = 88gr) Maxxis Maxlite 310 = 310gr (crazy light mtn bike tire) Rim strip = 5gr (used fiber reinforced packing tape to keep it light, Velox =15gr) Total w/ above listed parts = 1236grHere's the rear wheel: Hope Rear hub w/ titanium cassette body = 340g Mavic X717 disc rim = 395g DT Revolution Spokes (2.0, 1.5, 2.0) = 148gr (assuming 32 spoke and about 265mm legth) DT Alloy Nipples = 15gr (assuming 32 of the 2.0) Wheel total w/ no rim strip & no quick release = 898 grams Now lets add a rotor, superlight tube, superlight tire and a superlight rim strip Existing wheel = 898gr Stans Aluminum rotor = 58g (lightest i know of) XTR Cassette 11-34 = 240gr Schwalbe XXLite Tube = 105gr (maxxix flyweight 1.5-1.75 = 88gr) Maxxis Maxlite 310 = 310gr (crazy light mtn bike tire) Rim strip = 5gr (used fiber reinforced packing tape to keep it light, Velox =15gr) Total w/ above listed parts = 1616grNota bene: Still no QRs, your choice...Well, that's my 2ยข anyhow. Thanks! Ride inspired! Caution: Weight-weenie at work!
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Post by clutchshooter on Sept 9, 2006 19:13:47 GMT 8
UrE n2 aggro Raul. I think what Onie What mean to say........Hope and 717. revos all black for color and not alloy nips! will not do u justice! Use brass nips! brass nipples for their sex appeal. Just bluffing! Loosen up, dudes! Syado tyo serious, hahaha! Peace!
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Post by mountguitars on Sept 9, 2006 19:33:07 GMT 8
nice setup onie. that kind of setup though would disintegrate my wallet and some of the parts are hard to come by. but in any case, that setup of yours is the strongest so far. in my case, since im only 136lbs, i'm thinking i could go all out and use am classic hubs. im taking advantage of my weight and making it work for me.
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Post by clutchshooter on Sept 21, 2006 10:04:52 GMT 8
In most cases I would not buy a used wheelset.
I want to know the history of my wheels. Right Petey?
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Post by radical1962 on Sept 21, 2006 11:03:31 GMT 8
Just an update on my AmClassic 350 Wheelset. Had the bearings replaced at Extreme and its as good as NEW... feels like butter!
Also talked to them about the bad rap AmClassic Wheels are getting. They actually said that there were really a defective batch in 2005 that was recalled due to problems with the bearings. The batch actually ended up in the grey market in the Philippines selling at a low price range of 3-4K per hub. This are defective and are not guarantied by the distributor. The new model that came out have a different stainless bearing that is bigger in diameter than the old one. My wheels are fully legit. If you want the real AmClassic Hubs with warranty then they would cost in the area of 6-7k.
BTW, there are new models available like the budget AmClassic Terrain Wheelset that sells for around 10K. It's 1800gms only like the FSA X300.
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Post by omel on Sept 21, 2006 11:45:53 GMT 8
bros,would u guys know which lbs sells amclassic hubs which are non disc brake specific? & how much its goin for? m still stickin to vees kasi. tnx!
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Post by radical1962 on Sept 21, 2006 12:35:14 GMT 8
bros,would u guys know which lbs sells amclassic hubs which are non disc brake specific? & how much its goin for? m still stickin to vees kasi. tnx! Call Extreme, they have some hubs am not sure if they have non-disc. 3737100
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Post by xctofi on Sept 21, 2006 13:21:51 GMT 8
wait,the am classic hubs have the detachable/screw on disc mounts right? or is it just the older models?
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Post by omel on Sept 22, 2006 8:55:01 GMT 8
the ones i saw b4 at kings and other lbs in cartimar are the ones u can screw on/off the disc mounts, they are fine except the distance between the flanges of the non disc hubs are further apart and frankly if u remove the disc mounts on the other type they kinda look ......umm.... the front wheel will have a dish coz the flanges will not have the same distance from the center of the axle. and besides the non disc hubs weigh less ( according to their website) than the disc type even with the disc mounts removed. other lbs sez that the non disc hubs only come on the built wheelset(amclassic 350), but m hoping that some lbs will carry them .
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Post by raycordero88 on Apr 23, 2008 23:11:09 GMT 8
Hi Raul,
I used to own an American Classic MTB 26 for about 4 months. I'm an extreme trail rider who takes a few jumps and bunny hops here and there but no drops. I had no problems with the AmClassic. It's very light (1.420 kgs for the pair with skewers) and quick. Definitely improved my climbing and still attacked most downhill trails like licao, jackhammer, brick factory, Boso Boso etc. The rim took it all and stayed the same. I then switched to a Mavic Crossmax SLR due to bling factor. If you don't look down, can't tell the difference on the quickness. If you have a chance to get one, go for it. Just clean it and maintain it.
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Post by OnebyOne on Apr 24, 2008 8:32:17 GMT 8
I had 2 sets of it and been abusing it for almost 3 years now and still doing good...From my experience, if you spray wash your bike often, then you'll have to replace your bearing sooner than expected Yes, overall its good and I'm ordering 2 sets once again...besides, bearing is easy replace and easy to find in my place too
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