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Post by grnhrnt on Mar 19, 2008 14:19:34 GMT 8
But used effectively, it can be a big help, because you can train the proper way, making sure you go hard enough when you need to, and to back-off when you need to recover. This is exactly the benefit. well said. otherwise, useless nga. Another aspect would be as a measure of performance. Lower heart rate same conditions and track/trail could mean your getting stronger or at least feeling better.
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Post by clunker87 on Mar 19, 2008 18:33:40 GMT 8
If you bike occasionally like -once a week or whenever available , your HRM will be very usefull to monitor your "Redline" or max HR. Or to see how "out of shape" your are. As the saying goes "listen to your heart" sometimes we gauge our ride based on our past ride not what we did last nite "beer , lack of sleep, stress ". A HRM would tell you exactly were you are with no approximation or guess work.
I guess the key here is how to interpret the reading of your HRM. Everytime we ride specially when training , we should have a specific goal - Endurance , Intervals -threshold and Rest. A HRM can guide you to a precise reading unique to your very own heart, not by your kph or distance.
If I would choose between my HRM and my cyclocomputer, I'll go for my HRM .
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Post by BrusKO on Mar 19, 2008 22:05:28 GMT 8
Actually, if you have your HRM while using your MTB on trails, you can train for recovery. Tama ba?
As for road bikes, I find that I have higher readings than with an MTB. Anyone know why?
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Post by jr on Mar 19, 2008 23:14:07 GMT 8
As for road bikes, I find that I have higher readings than with an MTB. Anyone know why? Hmmmm...mine is the other way around. My HRM always at 80's to above 90's during MTB.
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Post by Kevin on Mar 19, 2008 23:18:05 GMT 8
As for road bikes, I find that I have higher readings than with an MTB. Anyone know why? Mountain bikes are normally heavier than road bikes. To achieve the same speed on the road, your power output will be much higher on the mountain bike. I hope I remember my physiology correctly. I think your mountain bike gives you more excitement over the road bike. ;D
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Post by Ben Dover on Mar 19, 2008 23:38:35 GMT 8
As for road bikes, I find that I have higher readings than with an MTB. Anyone know why? nah! you're just too excited of your new toy...and you thought that since it has narrower tires and a lot lighter, you could actually ride it at the speed of light...i didn't happen right? ;D
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Post by mountguitars on Mar 20, 2008 0:00:20 GMT 8
Actually, if you have your HRM while using your MTB on trails, you can train for recovery. Tama ba? As for road bikes, I find that I have higher readings than with an MTB. Anyone know why? im thinking since road bikes have thinner tires and high gear ratios, there's nowhere to go but keep on pedalling or else tumba ka sa bike. unlike with mountainbikes which have fattires and low gear ratios, you can pedal to a standstill without falling, hehehe ;D.
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Post by clunker87 on Mar 20, 2008 3:02:26 GMT 8
I agree on having higher (sustained) HRM on road bikes . The lighter the bike (RB) you tend to push bigger gears thus increasing your HRM and with the endless road network you tend to sustain it longer. As for MTB particularly for trail riding your HR is practically doing intervals. at max HR during technical climbs usualy reaching 105% of max but goes down as the trails get varied ( stopin for a obstacle, going DH or plainly enjoying a scenery.) The best is to combine the endurance of a road training and an interval training of a MTBiker.
If your compare the training program of Road bikers against Mtbikers A XC rider is almost identical to a ITT (individual Time trial) A DH is almost identical to a 1 kilo (velodrome event)
Have you noticed how MTBikers perform on a road race (Rassmusen and Cadel Evans, Roland Green and Floyd Landis) they're great climbers and ITT specialists.
I agree that you will have a higher HR on a MTB compared to a Road on the same paved road for the reason of weight, rolling resistance and aerodynamics. but I can't imagine doing it the other way around , using your road bike on a MTB Trail and comparing ur HRM.
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Post by kingtut on Apr 16, 2008 19:41:23 GMT 8
Has anyone used a Nike c5 HRM? would like to know if someone has reviewed locally. Thanks.
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Post by Scout on Apr 16, 2008 22:44:16 GMT 8
Has anyone used a Nike c5 HRM? would like to know if someone has reviewed locally. Thanks. I have been using the Nike c5 for about a year now and I have no complaints. I use it everytime I exercise - e.g. MTB, Badminton, jogging. I like the fact that it monitors your "in-zone" heart rate and gives you warnings if you're below min heart rate during exercise or beyond your max heart rate. One thing though, when I ride my MTB or play badminton (I am left handed btw), I tranfer the watch to my right wrist because I accidentally stop the exercise timer at times when I bend my wrist during these activities because of the positioning of the Stop button on the watch. I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any particular points that you want clarified.
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Post by levi on Apr 16, 2008 22:45:46 GMT 8
I have the Nike c6. Basic HRM with standard features like calorie counter, stop watch etc. I gave it to my wife when I bought the cateye vschr10. The cateye is a lot cheaper at 2.5t only. I used it also as my everyday watch and has all the features of Nike. I got it from Sabak.
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Post by ipr3358 on Apr 18, 2008 23:28:00 GMT 8
I just got my new Timex HRM but still don't know the real purpose of this, every time I using it I just see what my hearth rate per minute. guys please help me to utilized it properly or do I need to visit cardiologist to define my maximum HRM tolerance before my hearth failed.
Thank.
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Post by pazigrider on Apr 19, 2008 0:03:08 GMT 8
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Post by ipr3358 on Apr 19, 2008 9:11:52 GMT 8
@pazigrider
Thanks brad, now I understand the purpose of my HRM.
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Post by OnebyOne on Apr 30, 2008 8:47:38 GMT 8
I used Sigma fit watch HRM which just do its purpose...but if you get serious about monitoring your performance during training, racing or just a regular rides, a Polar 625x is a good option that works best both for running and biking just my .2 centavos
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Post by marcs on Apr 30, 2008 9:40:34 GMT 8
Overall, an HRM is meant to ensure you train at the right intensity. This assumes that you have a concrete training plan (train in zone 1 on day 1, train in zone 2 on day 2, etc). The best training plan is one that utilizes all training zones, dehins lang hataw everytime.
So one, it's like a coach. However, you have to help this coach by first determining your training plan. No plan, and I think the HRM is pretty useless.
On top of that, an HRM also helps you monitor your overall fitness level. There are several tests you can do to gauge if you are really improving (e.g. the assumption is, the more fit you are, the lower HR you need to perform the same activity). If you were maxing out at the Wall at an HR of 90%, then being able to do it in 80% max HR means is a significant improvement. This helps you fine tune your training plan since it means you were doing something right (training is as much a science as an art, not all plans will work the same for everyone)
Monitoring your morning HR (right after you wake up) can also indicate if you are overtraining or not. A much higher HR means you are not recovering well.
As you can see, all these means you have a scientific and well monitored training regimen. The HR is there to help you do all these measurements properly. Also, it's good to use your HRM with what's called RPE (rating of perceived exertion ba?). You might be hitting 90% max HR but you're feeling fine and dandy, net, your Max HR must be higher.
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Post by pazigrider on May 1, 2008 13:16:29 GMT 8
@pazigrider Thanks brad, now I understand the purpose of my HRM. you're most welcome pasig rider
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Post by OnebyOne on May 1, 2008 15:34:22 GMT 8
Overall, an HRM is meant to ensure you train at the right intensity. This assumes that you have a concrete training plan (train in zone 1 on day 1, train in zone 2 on day 2, etc). The best training plan is one that utilizes all training zones, dehins lang hataw everytime. So one, it's like a coach. However, you have to help this coach by first determining your training plan. No plan, and I think the HRM is pretty useless. On top of that, an HRM also helps you monitor your overall fitness level. There are several tests you can do to gauge if you are really improving (e.g. the assumption is, the more fit you are, the lower HR you need to perform the same activity). If you were maxing out at the Wall at an HR of 90%, then being able to do it in 80% max HR means is a significant improvement. This helps you fine tune your training plan since it means you were doing something right (training is as much a science as an art, not all plans will work the same for everyone) Monitoring your morning HR (right after you wake up) can also indicate if you are overtraining or not. A much higher HR means you are not recovering well. As you can see, all these means you have a scientific and well monitored training regimen. The HR is there to help you do all these measurements properly. Also, it's good to use your HRM with what's called RPE (rating of perceived exertion ba?). You might be hitting 90% max HR but you're feeling fine and dandy, net, your Max HR must be higher. Thanks Marc, very well said and explained
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Post by Superbad on May 8, 2008 14:41:16 GMT 8
Anyone here have any experience with replacing the battery on their polar wristwatches?
The low battery indicator in mine is showing and according to the manual, I have to bring it to the service center to have it replaced. Can I just bring it to a regular watch repair guy to have the battery replaced?
Thanks.
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Post by angelobryant on May 12, 2008 9:31:11 GMT 8
I've done some reading. Is this true?
Lower cadence = lower heart rate Higher cadence = higher heart rate
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Post by Scout on May 12, 2008 10:23:13 GMT 8
I've done some reading. Is this true? Lower cadence = lower heart rate Higher cadence = higher heart rate This is just my opinion but this sounds just about right. I have a HRM and I noticed before that when I biked around the neighborhood on a "heavier" gear, (therefore my cadaence was lower), the length of time I was "in zone" (the heart rate range where you are supposed to be working out) was LOWER compared to when I biked the same distance but on a "lighter" gear (cadence was higher).
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Post by mountguitars on May 12, 2008 11:19:15 GMT 8
I've done some reading. Is this true? Lower cadence = lower heart rate Higher cadence = higher heart rate not really. when you mash (low cadence), you can only sustain that effort for a couple of seconds if not minutes and then your heart rate starts to shoot up. same goes with spinning (high cadence). you can only sustain the effort for a while. so you need to find the right balance. spinning na may karga (mash) without making your heart rate go up. a heart rate monitor combined with a cadence equipped cyclo computer will help tell you the right combination or when to mash or when to spin and for how long you can sustain the effort. so from there, you'd know your weakness and concentrate on either aerobic (heart) or anaerobic (leg muscle/power) exercises.
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Post by john on May 12, 2008 11:56:20 GMT 8
... i've crossed this issue before, i just forgot to note the link, it's under pushing and spinning.
pushing - lower cadence (builds muscles, but does little to your heart ( imo, lower hear rate)
spinning - higher cadence (helps your heart and lungs... thus subjecting your heart to a higher rate)
.... i don't have a HRM but per experience, spinning does takes it toll when it comes to endurance.
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Post by marcs on May 12, 2008 12:05:50 GMT 8
from what I understand with aspects of fitness, there are three basics--- endurance, force, and speed. endurance is your ability to maintain a certain action while fighting fatigue. force is related to power output (like torque in cars). speed is related to how efficiently you do a certain movement (mostly this is connected with proper technique, proper form).
net, on climbs, someone with well developed FORCE, can theoretically mesh the pedals at relatively lower heart rate, vs. spinning up on a granny gear. on the other hand, someone with high ENDURANCE but lower FORCE may opt to use his granny gear and spin at a higher cadence, and result in actually lower HR .
when we go to flats, the guy with higher FORCE might actually go slower than someone with a higher level of ENDURANCE.
of course, the best is to have high levels of both, resulting in excellent MUSCULAR ENDURANCE.
what I noticed is that most riders do not develope FORCE fully, relying mostly on their gears to take them to the top. ENDURANCE seems to be what most are developing, intentionally or not.
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Post by bluurr on May 13, 2008 12:45:09 GMT 8
sir marcs
Basically what you read is true. But endurance is the first that will develope in any new rider as the body adapt to anew workout. Next one to develope is one's force. As it is easy to MASH the pedal to go up or speed up. BUt not all riders get to develope Speed or Spin. The reason is it's either one applies the Force or just endure pain. i.e. going uphill to clear it one applies power and mash or the other slow and steady grind all the way to the top.
Speed or Spin can be developed on flat paved road and it would be better to use a road bike. Spinning the legs at the rate of 120rpm or greater would greatly improve muscle memory for pedalling. At this rate you will be able to maximize you heart to about 75%- 90% of your maximum heart rate.
If you guys dont have any heart rate monitors here is a quick reference Normal breathing - 60%-70% Open mouth breathing - 70%-80% Breathless- 80%-90%
If you are going to ask me what is the best HRM. I would suggest Polar. I use a cs200 with wireless speed sensor and can be worn as a watch for other sport use. I can also give you guys a good deal on Polar.
I'm just new to PinoyMTBiker but I have been riding for 17 years ( im just 31 now hehehehe ) and i just wanna share what i know. I work for Fitness First Pampanga and teach RPM (indoor cycling).
Got a question?? I'll be more then willing to help
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Post by marcs on May 13, 2008 12:57:09 GMT 8
bottomline, fitness is much more complex than we thought! thanks for the perspective. actually, I have a Polar CS something also, but have not been using it lately, again, because I don';t really have a structured program yet been reading up lately though (still trying to comprehend) and hopefully i can follow a more refined training plan this year
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Post by mikaztro on May 13, 2008 13:48:46 GMT 8
How much Polar Cs HRMs?
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Post by Makoy on May 13, 2008 14:04:41 GMT 8
srp cs100 6k+ cs300 13k+
mike, check out the cateye version, half the price, kaso bike mounted lang
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Post by mikaztro on May 13, 2008 14:10:58 GMT 8
srp cs100 6k+ cs300 13k+ mike, check out the cateye version, half the price, kaso bike mounted lang Thanks Makoy. Any good links pointing to Cateye version you're referring to? Bike mounted? Is that part cyclo comp?
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Post by Scout on May 13, 2008 16:42:10 GMT 8
Thanks Makoy. Any good links pointing to Cateye version you're referring to? Bike mounted? Is that part cyclo comp? This is from the Cateye web site - V3 (http://www.cateye.com/en/product_detail/460). The predecessor to the V3 is the CC-HR200DW (http://www.cateye.com/en/product_detail/252) Personally, I would rather have a separate HRM so it can be used for other sports.
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