roxio
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Jul 26, 2005 17:31:07 GMT 8
Post by roxio on Jul 26, 2005 17:31:07 GMT 8
Hey guys... I am planing to purchase a new frame and would like to ask your opinion about these three frames... I am only considering these 3... hope you all can help me decide Comments will be highly appreciated
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Jul 26, 2005 17:55:12 GMT 8
Post by alien_scream on Jul 26, 2005 17:55:12 GMT 8
may i ask what will you use it for? ? (XC, DH, URBAN, ETC)
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Jul 27, 2005 8:22:13 GMT 8
Post by basti on Jul 27, 2005 8:22:13 GMT 8
hmmmm... those 3 frames are high-end frames... if i have the money, i'll get intense or santa cruz. but i'm leaning more on intense.... ;D IMHO
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Jul 27, 2005 9:40:36 GMT 8
Post by warlock^_^ on Jul 27, 2005 9:40:36 GMT 8
Guess we need to know which particular model of each brand are you deciding from. Both Santacruz and Intense produces VPP (Intense doesnt have single-pivots anymore). Whhile Turner produces 4-bar Horst link frames, which is a Specialized owned technology. This 2 type of suspension behaves differently, I guess you know this already.
If ever you go for VPP, will lean on Intense. If you decide on Horst-link, Turner then, currently one of the best horst-link suspension frames around.
If you dont care about the technology and just thinking of durability and easy maintenance i.e. pivots.... then I will put my bet on Turner (5-spot).
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roxio
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Jul 27, 2005 10:13:20 GMT 8
Post by roxio on Jul 27, 2005 10:13:20 GMT 8
Will use it for XC... Models are:
Intense Spider XVP Turner Flux Sta. Cruz Blur XC
Keep it coming guys...
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Jul 27, 2005 11:48:42 GMT 8
Post by jr on Jul 27, 2005 11:48:42 GMT 8
if you like climbing and enjoy coming down with extra travel go for intense 5.5 EVP instead. Blur is a good bike same technology, ask Warlock he has one.
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Jul 28, 2005 12:01:35 GMT 8
Post by gwm..."GRASS-HAPA" on Jul 28, 2005 12:01:35 GMT 8
i'll put my money on the cruz coz i'm a cruz guy myself and have nothing but good things to say about this company and their stable of rides. although a turner wouldn't be too far behind, looks like a lot of fun. intense is a bit overpriced for me considering their patents come from 'cruz.
warlock, isn't turner using ICT technology from ellsworth? or is the ict of ellsworth and the horst from specialized one and the same? i'm confused
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hellspawn
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"I Fight What You Fear"
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Aug 3, 2005 16:41:00 GMT 8
Post by hellspawn on Aug 3, 2005 16:41:00 GMT 8
I vote for Sta. Cruz specifically bullit. But I also refer Kona.
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Aug 8, 2005 10:05:37 GMT 8
Post by donbautist on Aug 8, 2005 10:05:37 GMT 8
Sta cruz.....NOMAD!!!!! hehe pero seriously im happy with the Heckler, blur, superlight. diba gwm?
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Aug 8, 2005 10:33:03 GMT 8
Post by bernie on Aug 8, 2005 10:33:03 GMT 8
SONNET Rules nyehehehehehe!!!
GIANT pa din, parang Toyota nyeheheheh
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ungas
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Oct 13, 2005 4:38:55 GMT 8
Post by ungas on Oct 13, 2005 4:38:55 GMT 8
go for the blur. more bang for your bucks!
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Oct 21, 2005 14:28:04 GMT 8
Post by warlock^_^ on Oct 21, 2005 14:28:04 GMT 8
i'll put my money on the cruz coz i'm a cruz guy myself and have nothing but good things to say about this company and their stable of rides. although a turner wouldn't be too far behind, looks like a lot of fun. intense is a bit overpriced for me considering their patents come from 'cruz. warlock, isn't turner using ICT technology from ellsworth? or is the ict of ellsworth and the horst from specialized one and the same? i'm confused oppsss got to this bit late...sorry raff ICT is actually several patents: Ellsworth has patented "instant center on/near the chain line" for just about every variation of mountain bike suspension. The theory is that keeping the instant center of the suspension linkage on or near the average chain torque line (which changes when you switch gears) results in a suspension with no bob. Ellsworth uses Horst Links, which is the 4 bar linkage, and as such, has to pay royalties to Specialized. So did Iron Horse back when they were using Horst Links. So does Turner, so does Nicolai, and so on. This is also why Devincis used Horst Links on their Canadian bikes, but not their American bikes, for a while. ICT was said to be a common design on FS for long time already, but its Ellsworth who got the idea to patent it... sleazy....
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Oct 21, 2005 14:35:10 GMT 8
Post by warlock^_^ on Oct 21, 2005 14:35:10 GMT 8
if you like climbing and enjoy coming down with extra travel go for intense 5.5 EVP instead. Blur is a good bike same technology, ask Warlock he has one. Honestly I'm happy with the Blur...performace -wise it really is efficient... I'm not the type who stands up and bring on steep climbs but just sit on my butt and pedal along. My main concern right now is the pivot bearing, mine seems ok but I heard lots of issues about this already. Guess we can get away with regular maintenance. The frame came with 5th Element and decided to replace it with RP3.... Really itching to get the 5 spot.... guess thats the issue of wanting you dont have ;D ;D ;D
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Oct 21, 2005 16:56:21 GMT 8
Post by radical1962 on Oct 21, 2005 16:56:21 GMT 8
Those brands are too rich for me...
I'm very happy with my 3-year old NRS and my new Trance
Actually, the NRS utilizes the horst link while the Trance is more like a VPP. I'm using the NRS for racing and long XC while I use the Trance for trailing and fun rides where speed is not very important... but I think the Trance can be used well for racing especially in highly technical courses.
Based on you three brands, I seem to be leaning on towards the Blur, especially the anodized Citrus.
Just my 2 cents.
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Oct 21, 2005 22:26:18 GMT 8
Post by rickym on Oct 21, 2005 22:26:18 GMT 8
when you have lots and lots of money...buy one model of each brand hehehe...then pahiram ako ng isa.....but for the poor like me...im satisfied with jamis xlt and nrs.....jamis is great for all mountain while nrs is great on the xc racing..
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jeps
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Oct 22, 2005 8:32:52 GMT 8
Post by jeps on Oct 22, 2005 8:32:52 GMT 8
If you decide on Horst-link, Turner then, currently one of the best horst-link suspension frames around. If you dont care about the technology and just thinking of durability and easy maintenance i.e. pivots.... then I will put my bet on Turner (5-spot). Dude, diba Turner will go single pivot na for the 06 bikes nila? No more Horst - link for them coz of Tony Ellsworth, ginigipit sila with the ICT thingy.. Now,will you still buy a 5 Spot na non Horst?
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Oct 22, 2005 10:02:29 GMT 8
Post by Great Teacher Ulysses on Oct 22, 2005 10:02:29 GMT 8
if somebody will buy me an e3xpensive frame like those listed above, i will gladly accept it! I will be your slave.. MASTERS!!! Yez Master???
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Oct 22, 2005 10:04:20 GMT 8
Post by Great Teacher Ulysses on Oct 22, 2005 10:04:20 GMT 8
GO FOR THE STA. CRUZ.. (QUALITY / CREDENTIALS / POGI POINTS)
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Oct 23, 2005 12:20:44 GMT 8
Post by janix on Oct 23, 2005 12:20:44 GMT 8
question.. what's the significance with the frame size when you could always adjust the saddle height?
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Oct 24, 2005 14:38:07 GMT 8
Post by pjax on Oct 24, 2005 14:38:07 GMT 8
well, masagwang tingnan kung sobrang taas ng saddle height, tapos ihahabol mo yung handlebars
napersuade nyo ako sa blur ah... gaano katagal na ba sa market ang blur xc at sa tingin nyo good deal pa rin yan ngayon? baka kasi lalabas na yung next model
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Oct 24, 2005 14:51:13 GMT 8
Post by Patrick on Oct 24, 2005 14:51:13 GMT 8
question.. what's the significance with the frame size when you could always adjust the saddle height? some frames have top tube length increase proportionally with frame size. some dont.
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Oct 24, 2005 15:24:58 GMT 8
Post by warlock^_^ on Oct 24, 2005 15:24:58 GMT 8
well, masagwang tingnan kung sobrang taas ng saddle height, tapos ihahabol mo yung handlebars napersuade nyo ako sa blur ah... gaano katagal na ba sa market ang blur xc at sa tingin nyo good deal pa rin yan ngayon? baka kasi lalabas na yung next model Blur XC was released just this year....after the introduction of LT. I'm really not sure how much the XC cost, but for the Classic it cost around 92K~97K before.
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Oct 24, 2005 15:28:59 GMT 8
Post by warlock^_^ on Oct 24, 2005 15:28:59 GMT 8
If you decide on Horst-link, Turner then, currently one of the best horst-link suspension frames around. If you dont care about the technology and just thinking of durability and easy maintenance i.e. pivots.... then I will put my bet on Turner (5-spot). Dude, diba Turner will go single pivot na for the 06 bikes nila? No more Horst - link for them coz of Tony Ellsworth, ginigipit sila with the ICT thingy.. Now,will you still buy a 5 Spot na non Horst? Ey jeps, after I read your post, I have to creep out of my hole to visit the mtbr/turner forum once again... sad to hear but its true, seems tuner will be coming oout with the faux bar design next year. TNT they call it. Cant say much about the tech issues about it, have to read more about this though
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Oct 25, 2005 2:27:53 GMT 8
Post by >rocketman> on Oct 25, 2005 2:27:53 GMT 8
ala sa brand yan mga brad, it's the riding skills ng piloto that counts, which you can only gain thru lots of riding hours, the trail does not mind if your frame is US made or from taiwan, nagagasgasan din naman pareho pag sumemplang.
VPP (intense/santacruz), DW link (ironhorse)? check mo yung giant maestro suspension, kinopya ba? hehehe di hamak mas mura giant (taiwan) sa santacruz (US).
1 vote for giant para sa variation/kopya ng VPP sa bagong line up nila 05 from XC, all mountain, DH, demanda kaya sila? hehehehe
4 bar? VPP? olats ng simpleng single pivot sa dh race(steve peat-> orange/ cedric gracia-> cannondale gemini) nasa piloto yun.
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Oct 25, 2005 3:03:04 GMT 8
Post by vertigo on Oct 25, 2005 3:03:04 GMT 8
hehehe very well said rocketman
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Oct 25, 2005 5:47:53 GMT 8
Post by quiesledaddy on Oct 25, 2005 5:47:53 GMT 8
TURNER, horst link!!! effective, does not rely on rearshock technology
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Oct 25, 2005 7:57:24 GMT 8
Post by basti on Oct 25, 2005 7:57:24 GMT 8
Da Bomb frames!!! yung Cherry Bomb! proudly Taiwan made! sorry guys, i can`t help myself on posting this coz i can`t afford any one of the frames listed above eh....hehehehe ;D seriously i agree with sir rocketman.... but if i have the money i might as well go with Sta Cruz... VPP!
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Oct 25, 2005 8:16:42 GMT 8
Post by warlock^_^ on Oct 25, 2005 8:16:42 GMT 8
Da Bomb frames!!! yung Cherry Bomb! proudly Taiwan made! sorry guys, i can`t help myself on posting this coz i can`t afford any one of the frames listed above eh....hehehehe ;D seriously i agree with sir rocketman.... but if i have the money i might as well go with Sta Cruz... VPP! Hey! so was the Santacruz Heckler, Superlite & chameleon, they're all made in Taiwan as well. Heck, I wouldnt argue its the biker that counts since we're talking about frames here. If we'll looking at evenly skilled riders, similar in every aspect...do you think one will have an advantage if he has one of the frames mentioned.
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Oct 25, 2005 8:26:25 GMT 8
Post by basti on Oct 25, 2005 8:26:25 GMT 8
i guess so brad....since the 3 mentioned frames above already has the technology of cancelling or minimizing pedal bob(XC for uphill and sprinting)... please correct me if im wrong... just my 0.02... go Cherry! bias talaga ako...hehehehe ;D
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Oct 25, 2005 9:33:14 GMT 8
Post by warlock^_^ on Oct 25, 2005 9:33:14 GMT 8
i guess so brad....since the 3 mentioned frames above already has the technology of cancelling or minimizing pedal bob(XC for uphill and sprinting)... please correct me if im wrong... just my 0.02... go Cherry! bias talaga ako...hehehehe ;D Bok, Its because of the advent of platform shocks that made the world of single pivot bright. ;D ;D ;D Go DaBomb! Once you got your Nomad, you might be singing a different song I bet ;D
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