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Post by travellingtales on Sept 11, 2007 8:08:00 GMT 8
there's the question of 'learning curve' too... some people say that while you're learning, HT is the best because you'll learn how to balance and manage your bike over rough terrain faster. also, your body will adapt to higher pain tolerances, which will ultimately make you a stronger rider - providing you don't injure yourself the argument follows that FS bikes provide too much rider support for just the weekend warrior or short-trail rider. FS riders will always rely on the bike managing the terrain (tracking etc.) and providing cushion for your arse... however, i'm riding an NRS lately - my first FS bike ;D i've been riding HT for four years prior. FS has given me much more confidence to ride through the rough stuff really fast, and tackle downhill more aggressively so, for everything but commuting and short races, i'm sticking with FS! jp
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Post by maceste on Sept 13, 2007 22:53:38 GMT 8
I do mt. biking since 1992 with muddy fox mega seeker that time. base from my long time experience w/ this hobby of ours i would suggest better go for F/S by now. Better buy the cheaper first for you to experience and compare the ride. you can call it a demo bike coz later on if you appreciate the then upgrade.just buy the frame then transfer the components from your H/T to F/s frame.Try to learn to do maintenance on your bike by your own or even assemble it by your own its very easy to do because its your hobby just observe those bike mechanic what they do. Be the cowboy who knows how to take care of his horse.
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Post by angelobryant on Sept 14, 2007 14:06:57 GMT 8
I saw a KHS Full Suspension Bike frame at kings quiapo selling for P14,950 an ordinary looking shock, you have an option to upgrade it to a better model. Anybody tried this frame before?
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Post by sphinx on Oct 30, 2007 13:19:24 GMT 8
This thread is interesting, but for my own opinion it depends on your preference, i use to ride a FS and HT way back then and its suits me either of the two and now im going back to this old hobby of mine i prefer HT coz i will use more on streets and on roads... hehehehe and from the previous replies if you have the dough buy both and enjoy them... just my 2 cents! cheers!
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Post by Jan Atienza on Oct 30, 2007 15:31:57 GMT 8
Hardtails for me, the symmetry of lines just appeals to me (form over function, nuts no?). Had an Anthem once, sold it after 2 months yata. The only FS I intend to get is the Rocky Mountain Element..onobtrusive shock and cleans lines but no one has imported them yet.
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Post by extendead on Oct 30, 2007 19:02:39 GMT 8
hardtails are the best for me... you can rip tru the trails and play it on the city streets... just a good fork and and a good set of brakes....
hardtails are good bikes to learn to be smooth.... di kasi pde sagasa lang
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Post by angelobryant on Oct 30, 2007 21:03:57 GMT 8
Full suspension for me. I need the tender loving care it gives my bones.
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Post by bowljox on Oct 30, 2007 21:11:58 GMT 8
FS for me, getting old, hehe
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Post by bernie on Nov 5, 2007 8:27:42 GMT 8
I have both but cannot really compare. Of course I will not use my Hardtail in Rocky Muddy Roads, ( mild maybe ) but not that kinda moontype trails. My hardtail is for Commuting, City Riding, of course in climbing from Southwoods to Tagaytay and Mild Rough terrain only.
...and I will use my FS in the Trails ...I will not use my FS if our ride is a Long and Winding Road drama....
so it really depends
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Post by OnebyOne on Nov 5, 2007 9:38:54 GMT 8
While full suspensions are more confortable to ride, hardtails are good enough for most of our trails
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Post by mythbuster on Nov 5, 2007 14:17:03 GMT 8
For me i Feel the same on my butt, hardtail or FS, its just that FS sinks a little but I feel the same on the saddle. FS cannot serve the comfort of the motorbike because motorbike has wider saddles. To find comfort maybe, look for a wider saddle, like the old classic leather saddles.
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Post by maxbuwaya on Nov 5, 2007 14:54:38 GMT 8
Still Hardtail for me as of this time
Because its still the only thing I have
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Post by OnebyOne on Nov 5, 2007 15:35:23 GMT 8
get out-of-your-saddle (stand-up) when the trails gets bumpy...that's how your ride MTB's anyway... wider and foamy saddles are only comfortable at first...it will makes your butt numb on the long rides...
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Post by mythbuster on Nov 5, 2007 15:41:29 GMT 8
get out-of-your-saddle (stand-up) when the trails gets bumpy...that's how your ride MTB's anyway... wider and foamy saddles are only comfortable at first...it will makes your butt numb on the long rides... Yep, same as you ride in a FS, basta long ride even if it is a FS, numbness occurs. Foamy saddles becomes solid on the long run, that is why I'm looking for the classic leather saddles.
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Post by angelobryant on Nov 6, 2007 13:49:54 GMT 8
get out-of-your-saddle (stand-up) when the trails gets bumpy...that's how your ride MTB's anyway... wider and foamy saddles are only comfortable at first...it will makes your butt numb on the long rides... using FS, you stand up less often.
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Post by hardtail on Nov 7, 2007 16:30:09 GMT 8
hardtail for life!!!!â„¢
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Post by randiezbee on Nov 7, 2007 16:34:59 GMT 8
i have my hardtail to satisfy my weight wennie alter ego and my fs as a free ride rig
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Post by xcountryman on Dec 5, 2007 14:49:34 GMT 8
Buy an FS frame, keep ur HT frame, then slowly build an HT again when ur budget allows it. I have 2 HT bikes but am gonna buy an FS frame in the near future.
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Post by mtbrider06 on Jan 5, 2008 17:07:30 GMT 8
I started riding with a FS. . . . now i'm confused what really a HT ride feel. I'm planning to assemble a HT. Just don't know the lightest and cheapest frame available locally.
Please suggest . . . .
Thanks.
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Post by mythbuster on Jan 5, 2008 19:03:48 GMT 8
If you watched MTBiking Racing on the Cable ( S-Sports, Balls etc ) most of the riders are using hardtails, so HT for Racing is their choice ( not all but most? )
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Post by omel on Jan 5, 2008 19:08:58 GMT 8
budget frame for weenies would be mosso/big cat frames, for a little more dough a khs alite, with money to burn a scott scale.
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Post by bernie on Jan 7, 2008 8:27:58 GMT 8
If you watched MTBiking Racing on the Cable ( S-Sports, Balls etc ) most of the riders are using hardtails, so HT for Racing is their choice ( not all but most? ) Just watche BALLS channel, Way to Beijing MTB Racing, yep most of them uses Hard Tail Bikes even the trails are technical,France won the race. Most of them are Merida's and Giants.
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Post by kikoy on Jan 15, 2008 12:16:38 GMT 8
You can pedal faster on trails with FS because it doesn't stop your momentum due to jolts on the rear end. Most of your leg energy is spent on pedalling because you wont squat on rough roads. HT is faster on the road no doubt but for trail its slower and you waste leg energy due to squatting position on rough roads. Heart rate on FS is lower than HT so it equals longer ride time before exhaustion.
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Post by mythbuster on Jan 15, 2008 13:10:48 GMT 8
You can pedal faster on trails with FS because it doesn't stop your momentum due to jolts on the rear end. Most of your leg energy is spent on pedalling because you wont squat on rough roads. HT is faster on the road no doubt but for trail its slower and you waste leg energy due to squatting position on rough roads. Heart rate on FS is lower than HT so it equals longer ride time before exhaustion. This depends on the rider.
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Post by kulot_salot on Jan 15, 2008 14:02:00 GMT 8
The only FS I intend to get is the Rocky Mountain Element..onobtrusive shock and cleans lines but no one has imported them yet. Jan, will you import the RMB for us? me want the element or the etsx...
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Post by enzo on Jan 15, 2008 14:45:15 GMT 8
The only FS I intend to get is the Rocky Mountain Element..onobtrusive shock and cleans lines but no one has imported them yet. Jan, will you import the RMB for us? me want the element or the etsx... Idol, Rode both bikes a couple of years ago, the etsx will suit you well than the Element, It's a little bit flexy on the rear end. The etsx is a joy to ride. They have good reviews on the new models. I sold one ETSX for 120k just before my holiday there with fullXT 06dcls and mavic 819, Fox Talas RLC with Easton components.
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Post by donbautist on Jan 16, 2008 10:39:59 GMT 8
If you can afford it , get a hardtail and a full suspension frame. If you are worried about the hard ride a hardtail bike produces I suggest you try a 29er hardtail. The added 3 inches of wheel on a 29er gives extra cushioning thus releiving your arse of the pain normally experienced on 26 bikes. Niner, Voodo are great hardtail 29ers. Fuji 29er is also very good with a price tag of only 30k for a whole bike tricked out with Sram X5, truvativ and wtb parts.
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Post by donbautist on Jan 16, 2008 10:48:15 GMT 8
If you watched MTBiking Racing on the Cable ( S-Sports, Balls etc ) most of the riders are using hardtails, so HT for Racing is their choice ( not all but most? ) The reason for this is because most XC races are less than 2 hours long. The Hardtail gives the rider every advantage in terms of transfering power fro the crank to the rear wheel. Also since cross country races involve climbs the HT is a light enough bike to give the rider an advantage over heavier bikes. If you watch endurance, Super D races you will notice that the same pros who ride HT on XC races will opt for FS bikes (with lockout) because the suspension keeps them fresh and rested over long hours on the saddle. KEep Riding!
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Post by berns on Jan 17, 2008 1:00:04 GMT 8
But of course! most racers will use a HT for xc race because the track is quiet tame. look at tour de france di ba walang fs dun it's a road race for crying out loud.
FS for me is better because you can ride it on any kind of terrain.
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Post by pazigrider on Jan 17, 2008 2:58:11 GMT 8
FS for me, getting old, hehe ;D ;D ;D i tend to agree with this comment i think as you grow older you want the best comfort the world can offer as your older body needs TLC ;D but really, for me i would say that 1 XC HT and 1 AM FS are the best arsenal for a mountainbiker - at least i believe that there is no do-it-all bike for all riding conditions so if you have the budget - go for it
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