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Post by flipnidaho on May 9, 2008 11:20:51 GMT 8
Does anyone know of anybody or bike shop that has a V-brake capable hardtail frame in either small or medium size (22.5" TT) for sale locally? I broke my frame today at Subic today and would like to get a replacement while I take my bike home to get it fixed... I'll post pictures later... The driveside chainstay cracked clean through at the weld... I'll still ride it if I can't find a replacement but very gingerly since it's now relying on the driveside seatstay to keep everything together...
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Post by 32by18 on May 9, 2008 11:53:27 GMT 8
Hi Gary! Sad to hear about the frame. Hope you're OK. If you're interested in a VooDoo, let me know. I have a size 17" Bizango in Reynolds 853 steel, and a 17" Wanga that can run SS or geared.
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Post by hyperion on May 9, 2008 13:32:21 GMT 8
I think most of the locally available XC HT frames have V-brake tabs - just visit any of the LBS. Giant XTC size S / 16 for instance has a 22.6" TT. I would not ride your cracked frame if I were you - not worth the risk until it is repaired.
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ten
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Post by ten on May 9, 2008 14:49:46 GMT 8
I have a KHS alite 4000 team frame
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Post by Alphabolt on May 9, 2008 16:26:59 GMT 8
Does anyone know of anybody or bike shop that has a V-brake capable hardtail frame in either small or medium size (22.5" TT) for sale locally? I broke my frame today at Subic today and would like to get a replacement while I take my bike home to get it fixed... I'll post pictures later... The driveside chainstay cracked clean through at the weld... I'll still ride it if I can't find a replacement but very gingerly since it's now relying on the driveside seatstay to keep everything together... Gary, PM me ...I have a bnew inexpensive Elan frame you can borrow while you re here Im at alabang area though...but at least you ll get to ride the 12hr race track na rin.. we can have you bike built by Tomas at Gran Trail which is 3 minutes from the race track ~Arnel
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Cage Diver
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Post by Cage Diver on May 9, 2008 17:18:07 GMT 8
I'd go for the Voodoo Bizango!
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Post by Jan Atienza on May 9, 2008 19:06:20 GMT 8
Hi Gary! Sad to hear about the frame. Hope you're OK. If you're interested in a VooDoo, let me know. I have a size 17" Bizango in Reynolds 853 steel, and a 17" Wanga that can run SS or geared. I agree, value for money...a keeper pa with the Reynolds 853
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Post by flipnidaho on May 9, 2008 21:13:40 GMT 8
Thanks for the options everyone... I'm mulling them over... Here are photos of the chainstay (it broke at the weld seam). I'm thinking that there may have been a void in the TIG... What do you think? Superglue and some duct tape and she'll be good as new?
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Post by olrac on May 9, 2008 22:47:52 GMT 8
my neighbor is selling gary fisher bike.. old model though, no disc brake bracket yet. not familiar with bikes and his initial offer for the whole bike is under 10k. i'll post tomorrow his contact no. if your interested., gary fisher tassajara frame. he got it from his relative from the US that seldom come here in the Phil.
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Post by bobby on May 9, 2008 23:57:55 GMT 8
rough PI trails ey? but i really do hope somebody here can help you with your problem, i feel helpless though. whadya think was it the climate change thAT affected it?
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Post by jeRICHo on May 10, 2008 2:03:51 GMT 8
try to call ave maldea, maybe they have a solution for your frame...
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Post by flipnidaho on May 10, 2008 4:09:42 GMT 8
Jericho- I don't think Ave is doing titanium... yet... bobby- The frame was 2nd hand but it still shouldn't break like that and the weather should not be a factor (I've ridden this frame in -10 Celsius). I really think it's a bad weld based on the location of the crack and the fact that I don't really ride all that hard...
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Post by cobym on May 10, 2008 4:49:52 GMT 8
Its good you caught it before a total failure. good luck on a new frame. There's a Kona hei hei Ti in the buy and sell page. You may want to take a peek.
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Post by jacklero on May 10, 2008 14:43:44 GMT 8
that i one nasty crack, might be a bad weld indeed considerig that ti usually breaks in parallel to the vector not perpendicular like steel.
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Post by Makoy on May 10, 2008 15:06:24 GMT 8
looks like the weld didnt penetrate on the tube... crack on the beads?
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Post by jmlag on May 19, 2008 12:17:30 GMT 8
Hey Gar!! Would you be interested? Check out the Top Tube length!
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Post by enzo on May 19, 2008 15:33:39 GMT 8
Jericho- I don't think Ave is doing titanium... yet... bobby- The frame was 2nd hand but it still shouldn't break like that and the weather should not be a factor (I've ridden this frame in -10 Celsius). I really think it's a bad weld based on the location of the crack and the fact that I don't really ride all that hard... Most probably Gary, the weld beads is the last place for a crack or collapse to occur. Titanium frames are Tig welded and they use Argon gas to isolate the material. Probably the concentration of Argon gas during the welding is not high so there were bubbles or air during the process. At least, just like a broken bone, it's a cleqan break and can be welded/ repaired like nthing happened at all.
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Post by flipnidaho on May 20, 2008 10:02:19 GMT 8
Hey Gar!! Would you be interested? Check out the Top Tube length! Dude... I so wish... Just a little bit outside my budget however...
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Post by flipnidaho on May 20, 2008 10:13:47 GMT 8
Jericho- I don't think Ave is doing titanium... yet... bobby- The frame was 2nd hand but it still shouldn't break like that and the weather should not be a factor (I've ridden this frame in -10 Celsius). I really think it's a bad weld based on the location of the crack and the fact that I don't really ride all that hard... Most probably Gary, the weld beads is the last place for a crack or collapse to occur. Titanium frames are Tig welded and they use Argon gas to isolate the material. Probably the concentration of Argon gas during the welding is not high so there were bubbles or air during the process. At least, just like a broken bone, it's a cleqan break and can be welded/ repaired like nthing happened at all. From Jim Kish: That crack could be re-welded, but I'm not sure how long it would last. There's no way to get everything as squeaky-clean as it should be to do the repair, and the fact that it broke in the first place tells me there was bad prep/practice/material involved when it was originally put together.From Steve Potts: That crack could be re-welded, but I'm not sure how long it would last. There's no way to get everything as squeaky-clean as it should be to do the repair, and the fact that it broke in the first place tells me there was bad prep/practice/material involved when it was originally put together. The drop out looks like it was designed for a glued joint, as the photo shows whats called a glue gap joint, they are the little ribs put there to insure an even glue gap for the proper amount of glue to go around the whole joint. The proper fit for a welded joint like that should be a .003" to .005" interference fit, then the weld joint sees very little stress.
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Post by enzo on May 20, 2008 16:14:19 GMT 8
Most probably Gary, the weld beads is the last place for a crack or collapse to occur. Titanium frames are Tig welded and they use Argon gas to isolate the material. Probably the concentration of Argon gas during the welding is not high so there were bubbles or air during the process. At least, just like a broken bone, it's a cleqan break and can be welded/ repaired like nthing happened at all. From Jim Kish: That crack could be re-welded, but I'm not sure how long it would last. There's no way to get everything as squeaky-clean as it should be to do the repair, and the fact that it broke in the first place tells me there was bad prep/practice/material involved when it was originally put together.From Steve Potts: That crack could be re-welded, but I'm not sure how long it would last. There's no way to get everything as squeaky-clean as it should be to do the repair, and the fact that it broke in the first place tells me there was bad prep/practice/material involved when it was originally put together. The drop out looks like it was designed for a glued joint, as the photo shows whats called a glue gap joint, they are the little ribs put there to insure an even glue gap for the proper amount of glue to go around the whole joint. The proper fit for a welded joint like that should be a .003" to .005" interference fit, then the weld joint sees very little stress.
time for another frame Gary, I thought Ti tubes or the weld points once collapsed can be rewelded. Wrong assumption on my side. Another reason to consider when buying Ti frame. But I guess you are so strong, the only reason why the frame broke Not that I can afford a Ti frame, but it's just so lovely and cleann looking.
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Post by flipnidaho on May 21, 2008 3:57:26 GMT 8
From Jim Kish: That crack could be re-welded, but I'm not sure how long it would last. There's no way to get everything as squeaky-clean as it should be to do the repair, and the fact that it broke in the first place tells me there was bad prep/practice/material involved when it was originally put together.From Steve Potts: That crack could be re-welded, but I'm not sure how long it would last. There's no way to get everything as squeaky-clean as it should be to do the repair, and the fact that it broke in the first place tells me there was bad prep/practice/material involved when it was originally put together. The drop out looks like it was designed for a glued joint, as the photo shows whats called a glue gap joint, they are the little ribs put there to insure an even glue gap for the proper amount of glue to go around the whole joint. The proper fit for a welded joint like that should be a .003" to .005" interference fit, then the weld joint sees very little stress.
time for another frame Gary, I thought Ti tubes or the weld points once collapsed can be rewelded. Wrong assumption on my side. Another reason to consider when buying Ti frame. But I guess you are so strong, the only reason why the frame broke Not that I can afford a Ti frame, but it's just so lovely and cleann looking. I wish I was strong enough to crack a Ti frame... Or to even just keep up with most of the guys around here... I'll probably get it fixed for $100... Heck, since I only bought it for $200, I really have nothing to lose... I never did hear from Ionic about the break (it's one of their frames)...
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Post by enzo on May 21, 2008 15:33:49 GMT 8
Ever humble you are Gary I almost got an Ibis HT Ti frame. The one with a closed fist for a canti brake hanger. The owner backed out when he saw the twinkle in my eyes while I was touching his frame. But the geometry is for 80mm fork only, could've been perfect for xc and commute rides. Good luck on your frame.
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Post by giorno on May 21, 2008 22:29:29 GMT 8
Based on my opinion and my experience with TIG welding, that problem you had on your frame is due to bad welding. And for some reason preparations play a strong point on how well the weld should've been. I use to weld metals, aluminums and had some experience with titanium alloys as well. I must admit that I made those kind of mistakes as well causing cracks on the welds due to bad preparations. The most common mistake is the fact that the materials weren't perfectly cleaned before welding causing microscopic bubbles inside the weld unseen to the naked eye thus making the product hollow in the inside, no matter how teenie weenie it is making it weak and prone to such damage as what happened to your frame. But, it can be weld back together in tip top shape once again just as long as the previous welds should be removed and cleaned properly before doing the same operation. I hope it's possible to have it x-rayed as what we do with airplane components. Hehe. . .
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