ygolote
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Post by ygolote on Feb 7, 2005 16:31:44 GMT 8
The Z.1 series comes in several variations among which are the Z.1 SL and the Z.1 Drop Off.
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Post by Poseur on Feb 8, 2005 14:14:48 GMT 8
my vote would be a Z1 FR w/ the 20mm axle.
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Post by grnhrnt on Feb 8, 2005 14:15:36 GMT 8
Marzocchi MX Pro (dual coil) 100mm 2003 made in Italy 10.5t
Pros: Tibay, Nice color (black) bagay sa bike ko.(black din)
Cons: Ang bigat!
Tas nung dinala ko sa bike tuner ko, napansin nya na di masyado nagsa-"sag" pag inupuan ko yung bike. mga 1/4" lang. At nangdiniin nya halos 2" lang ang sag travel at masyado nang matigas. Pinabuksan ko sa kanya at napansin nya na sobra yung langis! Nung itinulak nya apaw talaga yung langis. Nagtaka siya dahil mukhang "virgin" pa naman yung shocks at di pa nabubuksan. Binawasan lang niya yung langis at ngayon ang ganda na ng laro. Pati yung sag pag tinodo mo 3" na yung travel. Ngayon kuntento-kuntento na ako sa MX pro ko. "Plush" na ang laro nya.
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Post by Poseur on Feb 8, 2005 14:30:22 GMT 8
did he measure the oil height? not just by eyeballing it right?
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Post by polpan on Feb 8, 2005 16:32:53 GMT 8
any reviews on the Junior T... and the price range din sana... thnx
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Post by Poseur on Feb 8, 2005 16:47:30 GMT 8
any reviews on the Junior T... and the price range din sana... don't get one. spend the extra P and get the super-T instead if u like that type of fork. or u could try the stance kingpin.
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Post by polpan on Feb 8, 2005 17:14:25 GMT 8
super t and kingpin are 20mm thru axle right?
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Post by Poseur on Feb 9, 2005 1:32:03 GMT 8
u-huh....
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gonz
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Post by gonz on Mar 5, 2005 13:14:38 GMT 8
Cons: Ang bigat! Tas nung dinala ko sa bike tuner ko, napansin nya na di masyado nagsa-"sag" pag inupuan ko yung bike. mga 1/4" lang. i'm just curious. . . how much does an mz comp or mx comp weigh? also, when you say "sag". . . how much sag are we expecting from a fork the moment we sit on the bike? i'm thinking of buying a new fork because i feel that my current fork sag too much ( around .75" to 1" ) when i sit on the bike. is this "sag" ok or should i get a new fork? btw i'm considering an mz comp.
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Post by gulliver on Mar 5, 2005 17:08:32 GMT 8
i'm just curious. . . how much does an mz comp or mx comp weigh? also, when you say "sag". . . how much sag are we expecting from a fork the moment we sit on the bike? i'm thinking of buying a new fork because i feel that my current fork sag too much ( around .75" to 1" ) when i sit on the bike. is this "sag" ok or should i get a new fork? btw i'm considering an mz comp. gonz, i have gone through 2 zokes (very happy with them too) and the recommended sag wa 25%...so for the 4" mx comp, sag was 1"
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Post by gonz on Mar 5, 2005 17:34:39 GMT 8
gonz, i have gone through 2 zokes (very happy with them too) and the recommended sag wa 25%...so for the 4" mx comp, sag was 1" thanks sir ted. my current fork offers only about 3" to 3.5" of travel. the 1" sag that i experience would be higher than the recommended 25%. sad to say the fork has no pre-load adjustment nor any adjustment knobs whatsoever. hmmm. . . maybe i'll go for a new fork.
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ygolote
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Post by ygolote on Mar 5, 2005 17:49:41 GMT 8
the springs are too soft. if it is an air fork, add air. if it is a coil fork, change to a stiffer spring.
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Post by grnhrnt on Mar 7, 2005 14:33:12 GMT 8
ygolote,
Aside from Velo City, would you know where else I can get replacement Marzocchi coil springs for an Mx Pro '03 shock?
If by any chance you could refer me to a store o kahit website. I'm willing to order abroad if necessary.
Thanks
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ygolote
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Post by ygolote on Mar 7, 2005 15:31:33 GMT 8
try Marzocchi after sales support. Get in touch with HansGee. They would probably refer you to one of their closer dealers because they don't do retail.
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Post by gwm..."GRASS-HAPA" on Mar 7, 2005 17:54:08 GMT 8
try e-mailing chad devalls this guy is a one man stop for everything i need with my hard to find parts. he owns a shop in the states called www.redbarncicycles.com his e-mail is on the site, he ships international and gives superior prices. can't say anything bad about this guy, service is tops. tell him Raffy recommended you, he might give you a better deal ;D i just got stiffer springs for my manitou fork (stocker was too soft for me) from him. should be here in a couple of days ;D
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Post by marend on Apr 3, 2005 12:40:54 GMT 8
Are Taiwan made Marzocchi ok? or are Marzocchi's manufactured in Taiwan now? I've been canvassing for forks around Quiapo and even found Rock Shox Psylo, and various brands of Manitou forks that are Taiwan made, are these ok to use? despite their low prices? Thanks in advance for your advice.
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Post by bernie on Apr 4, 2005 14:00:27 GMT 8
Taiwan Marz are Ok too, the materials are al l made in Italy, its the labor making it Made in Taiwan but the supervision is under Italian peeps. I believe that they will not destroy their reputations in fork biz if they will assemble it in a rush-substandard ways.
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Post by marend on Apr 4, 2005 17:57:03 GMT 8
Thanks for the info.
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Post by xctofi on Apr 5, 2005 11:28:16 GMT 8
actually to add up to this.marzocchi forks are actually sub contracted to suntour(as manitou is to rst) if you'll inspect the new line of suntour forks it looks and has the same components as what a marzocchi forks has.the only difference of course is the arch which is obviously the marzocchi trademark. ;D
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Post by Alphabolt on Apr 6, 2005 23:20:37 GMT 8
My Forks: Zoke Z1 Wedge 130mm 2002...Great and cant seem to bottom it out....of course its not so good for single tracks due to the plush but long travel. NOthing a little body english wont help though. Zoke Mx Pro with ETA 100mm(?) ...thanks for the deal , M! Heaven to tune...ask around ..the best suspension mechs swear by this model ! They even use them for their day rigs! Go Zokes!! suweeeet
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Post by cmp on Apr 7, 2005 18:23:27 GMT 8
in the interest of reaching out to more budget-friendly riders zoke did have certain models manufactured in taiwan - i think that these would be the exr's, drop-off's and dirt jam's. all other zokes models are still manufactured in italy. but like what xctofi said, you still get the same italian internals.
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Post by vertigo on Apr 20, 2005 21:13:49 GMT 8
guys anybody using marzocchi dirt jam 05? am considering it over the drop off. how long is the travel exactly? and plus it's definitely cheaper than the drop off
any revews? ;D
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Post by marvs on Apr 21, 2005 1:08:06 GMT 8
what sort of riding do you do? I think the ones available locally are the Dirt Jam Comps (coil/MCU) which is a beefed up version of the MZ Comp. The weight difference between the two is negligible. The Dirt Jam is 50g heavier than the Drop-off due to the Dirt Jam's Steel stanchions against tha Drop-off's alloy. (5.3 vs 5.4 lbs) They both don't have any rebound option or control. The Dirt Jam has external preload knobs. Just set it up once and generally it's kabit and forget. The Drop-off has external air preload. It can be tuned more precisely you'd have to get a shock pump to have it tuned occassionally. They are both stiff and can handle a lot of weight. I have a buddy who is 6'5" 240 lbs and the drop off was the cheapest fork available then that can handle his weight without sagging too much or being too soft. One other difference is to me, the drop-offs look cool because of being all black. The dirt Jams can be mistaken for the newer DJ 3s. I think the biggest factor is if you'd want to spend the extra dough on the drop off. Anyway the Dirt Jam is still a Zoke.
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Post by vertigo on Apr 21, 2005 2:06:31 GMT 8
i ride mostly urban but would love to hit the trails as well with a possible light freeride setup, so therefore you can say i'm after versatility for both worlds ;D i was about to purchase the drop off actually but fortunately i read and heard that the drop offs have had problems regarding oil leaks (seal problem probably) even an LBS owner attested the common problem of the drop off, although the problem is prevalent in the '04 drop off so i'm not sure if the '05 had better improvements. plus the fact that i know people use such fork (like stormloader, not sure if it's the same drop off though) and i guess he hasn't had problems. basically i just wanted a strong, reasonably priced long travel fork like 5-6 inches that'll last me 3-5 years ;D (though i knew that the dirtjams only sport 4 inch travel) but i like its robust design and the cheap offer that's why i'm considering her. sigh if only i can afford them manitou flow and stance, not to mention the z150 and junior T
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Post by marvs on Apr 21, 2005 2:52:15 GMT 8
Urban huh. I really like coil shocks, less complications.
Well in that case, Dirt Jam may be the way to go. I know someone who trail rides with a Dirt Jam and it has been working quite well for him with no issues.
I think I've seen 120mm Dirt Jams (Paulina's I think).
Urban, hmmm. Have you considered the Manitou Stance Static? Looks great and is the same price as the Dirt Jam but I don't know anyone who has tried it yet.
I haven't seen Stance Flows around. I've only seen Statics and Kingpins. I hope they will be available too because it seems the Flow is the one that you're really looking for.
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Post by vertigo on Apr 21, 2005 3:14:55 GMT 8
thanks a lot marvs, i also wanted coil springs para wala nang arte ika nga. maybe i'll check out the stance static alongside the dirtjam. do you know which LBS carries the static and how much would it cost? yeah i do want a flow, problem is i can't see one anywhere, and perhaps it would be off my budget as well. my range would only be around 9-10 the most
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Post by stormloader on Apr 21, 2005 12:38:53 GMT 8
i was about to purchase the drop off actually but fortunately i read and heard that the drop offs have had problems regarding oil leaks (seal problem probably) even an LBS owner attested the common problem of the drop off, although the problem is prevalent in the '04 drop off so i'm not sure if the '05 had better improvements. plus the fact that i know people use such fork (like stormloader, not sure if it's the same drop off though) and i guess he hasn't had problems. don, been using my Drop-Off for more than a year now and i've yet to encounter such problem. In fact you could say i'm quite happy with it. like i told ya i've used this fork in diverse (and extreme) conditions and so far i still love its performance. Though it is primarily a freeride fork it can very well handle the DH, XC, urban and everything in between thrown at it. Baka yung nangyari is an isolated incident lang (i.e. wrong air pressure or oil weight or bad crash or landing on the part of the rider) Before i bought my drop-off i did as much research as i can over the net which is kinda difficult coz it's an OEM fork. So what i did is to look for bikes fitted with it (like the 04 Kona Coiler) and take it from there. For the 05 model these are some of the bikes fitted with the Drop-Off (and also the *Drop-off Triple) This might be of help if you're willing to do some research yourself : DaVinci Hucker, Gary Fisher Ged, Giant STP and AC 05 versions, KHS free ride/all-mountain rigs like the AM 2000 and AM 1500, the Kona Coiler and Stuff, Norco Sasquatch The Norco VPS Atomik and the Manik (triple), Rocky Mountain Switch S1, Da Vinci Johnson are all fitted with the Drop-Off triple. * The only difference of the Drop-Off comp with the triple is that it that the latter has QR20 drop-outs. Both have open bath dual SSV damping system, adjustable preload (dual external air preload adjuster or air assist), spring type is one side coil, one side air. Of course the Triple has 170mm travel compared to the 150mm, 130mm,and 110mm variations of the 05 drop-off version For its price range i think you can't touch this fork. In comparison the Splice Super, which is similarly priced, has more features and adjustability but when it comes to roughhousing and durability, it's not in the bighitter league like the Zoke'S fr line. I also agree with marvs that the Dirt Jam is an MZ-Comp on steroids.
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Post by the D. on Apr 22, 2005 2:06:27 GMT 8
I could get a good 2nd hand Dirt jumper III '03 for the price of a brand new Dirt jam. it's the same as any Sr Suntour forks around, why bother spending Php6k for a dirt Jam when you can buy a Php3,500 Suntour fork. The Marz drop off '04 and '05 has a problem with oil seal. MARAMI NG CASES ITO, DI LANG LIMA. plus it taps out. "ang hirap kasi Taiwan na Chi-na-China pa." But i guess it really depends on how you use it. My advise to you is, ask around and search where you can buy a 2nd hand 2000 t0 2003 Marzocchi forks. you can go for a Mx comp, Dj's Z1 series, or Drop off basta '03. Don't settle for anything else, Marzocchi are easy to maintain and very durable. I bought mine years ago, a 2001 Z3. i use it on Dh races and dirt jumps and it still serving me well. it doesn't had to be brand new one more thing, SABLAY ANG STANCE
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Post by vertigo on Apr 22, 2005 3:11:32 GMT 8
mervs thanks for the input brad, i just dont wanna make a mistake this time though. let's have another cheers n cig session ;D as for uglyass, nice inputs brad ;D, but let's peel off the leaves one by one with your advice: if you can get a good 2nd hand DJ3 '03 model then good for you mate fact of the matter is i tried to look for one but to no avail that makes you lucky then. and FYI, i am currently using a SR suntour fork 120mm, the reason why i want a new fork is basically i want a sturdier fork that'll handle my plan of riding versatility, and i don't wanna end up with a broken fork or worse a broken nose when i decide to get nasty coz i think the suntour that i have is not gonna take it. and i politely beg to disagree with what you said about marzocchis and suntours being the same (although i know for a fact that marzocchi and suntour is under one manufacturing umbrella) correct me if i'm wrong but i believe marzocchis are more reliable than the suntours that's what i'm concerned about (oil seal) but i thought that marz only is outsourced in taiwan but the internals are still italian muscle? or i might be wrong, gonna use it for urban and light freeride/trails and moderate jumps but not those 6-10 foot drops ;D i know that for a fact, but of course do you know how the owner used the product? how he abused it? or maybe "operated surgically" the innards of the fork? if there's a good one the problem is i'm still searching for a good deal and nothing seems to pass by, oh well patience is still a virtue ;D
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Post by marvs on Apr 22, 2005 3:35:31 GMT 8
True, it doesn't have to be brand new but knowing it's history is important.
Vertigo is looking for a 5" travel fork
The MX Comp until '04 is only available in 85mm or 105mm. The 120mm version only came out in '05 but is not locally available, even from the distributor. They only have Marathons which cost as much as Fox Talas
Drop-offs only came out '04 when they started getting Taiwan made for OEM. There is no '03 Drop-off unless it's a Z-1 Drop-off.
Z-1's are still pricey even at second hand. It's a good buy if you come across a cheap one. Take care of the ETA knob though, it easily breaks off.
The '03 DJ 3s are the best value for money. The '04 and '05s are much more expensive (heavier too due to the steel stanchions).
Too bad the italian OEMs are not available anymore ever since the taiwanese ones came out.
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